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Mr_Magpie
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wolkinov wrote:
Well, it seems to me that a common thread with the Operator, in various forms, is that while he lacks actual physical features on his head(eyes, ears, nose, etc.), some people have taken the approach that his head still implies the presence of these features, as if to highlight them by their absence. Meaning things like sunken holes around where the eyes should be, a slight ridge where the nose is, and other such to create a sort of physical "negative".

The fact that we are seeing them so clearly is probably an intentional change. But it may simply be that in many instances from S1, the camera either distorted heavily in His presence, was moving quickly because Alex was scared and trying to run, or He was far enough away/dark enough around Him that such "negatives" are hard to make out. So, when we have seen Him clearly in Season 2 without distortion, in good light, without the camera wavering, these "negatives" pop out at us as distinct from prior Entries.


Excellent first post, and not just because I'm inclined to agree with your conclusions.

Welcome to the forums. Cool

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wolkinov
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Thanks.

Sidenote: where'd you get your Camera Jay picture?

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SticktheFigure
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wolkinov wrote:
Thanks.

Sidenote: where'd you get your Camera Jay picture?
I got this!
It's from the entry where Jay goes to the house for the third time. He looks in the mirror before whipping around to see Tim.

Unless you mean that specific file. Then I am a fool.

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Chest Cam Avenger
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Ikekudeyg wrote:
Not giving my own opinion on this.

Which of you would like to play a little game.

Look at this and what do you see?


1. Scrambled cable porn, why?

2. What's the timestamp on that screencap?

3. Can someone who has more time than I use photoshop (or even paintshop) to extract the gray distortion away from the background so we can see any shapes? I'm not necessarily lending credence to that argument, but it's clearly something we're talking about, so what the hell?

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I noticed a very detailed eye to the left and SLIGHTLY above the 'Mask.' It looks like it is brown, and you can see a pupil with a highlight, and some white around the pupil. It's in the area of black.
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Nanzzy-chan
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I can't believe I made an account only now, after lurking for almost a year Embarassed Anywayz, I'll try to make this a solid first post.

Let me first state, I generally don't really like the whole trying-to-make-something-out-of-vague-blotches-thing, but after seeing that hand -which is very much there-, I noticed some more. It seems nobody pointed it out yet, so here's my guess (keep in mind, it's all speculation)

Red: Those parts I am pretty much sure of. Quite distinct lines, and everything. Especially that hand. I kinda got a feeling of someone sleeping on a desk at first, but seeing the surrounding distortion it might also be someone lying on the forest ground.

Green: Things that could be there, but could not be there as well. They seem to fit with the red shapes though. Especially the face area was really unclear, though, so I'm not sure if I did that right Sad

Blue: That mask that some other people mentioned before.

Cyan: It might be just a cut in the distortion-overlayed picture, but when you remove the underlying picture it could be something. Really not gonna speculate on that though; as I said before I don't really like basing theories on blobs of color...

Also, I don't think we should pay too much attention to the underlying picture; although the longer I'm staring at it, the more I'm doubting. I thought at first that it was just Alex bending over to go under that overgrowth (included a picture for reference), but none of the frames I could see matches up exactly, and it seems to be more close-up. It might also be from the end, when he falls over or stands back up again, but honestly, I'm not in the mood right now to go back and check that Embarassed
Ikekudeyg, now I'm getting kind of curious from around which time you got that screenshot. Cause if it matches up with the ones before and after that, the underlying picture probably isn't important in such a context; but if it's a random frame stuck in somewhere, it might have some sort of significance. I still think the distortion part is more important, though. (she says after typing a whole paragraph about the underlying picture >.>)

I hope this helps some people; I think I'll go back in lurk-mode now, since I'm not really one to come up with great theories before someone else does. You might find me in the fan-art thread though, or just mixing in the discussion. My main suspicions, so you know what to expect from me:
- Slendy is creep
- Tim is Masky
- Amy is missing or dead
- Jay is a moron
Yeah, not exactly theories that really contribute anything Razz

EDIT: Whoops, attachment ended up in upside down order Embarassed Well, I guess you people can figure it out anyway Razz
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I would like to point out that at the moment of my reply, this thread had exactly 666 posts in it. O_o

So... I'm very happy with where things are going. Finally, we see the relevance that Jessica has in the story -- she was Amy's roommate.

I'm completely positive that Alex was lying to Jay. I think the fisheye camera scene directly followed Alex dropping Jay off at the hotel. He's definitely corrupted by the Operator (regardless of whether it was willing). Another possibility is that Alex is trying to keep Jay at least somewhat safe, because if Jay went to Alex's real apartment, it's possible that the Operator (or some other figure) might be there waiting for him.

It's important to note that Ol' Slendy hasn't been camping outside Jay's living area, like he did when he was stalking Alex at his house. Every encounter Jay has had with him has been when Jay goes out exploring.

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wolkinov wrote:
Sidenote: where'd you get your Camera Jay picture?


It's from the beginning of entry 26, where Jay is talking about how he's feeling better and will be giving up the search for Alex.

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onetruepurple wrote:
Ikekudeyg wrote:
Look at this and what do you see?


I see desaturated footage of the forest superimposed onto footage of the forest. It's just fancy-ass distortion, dudes.


^^This. We love some MS Paint circling and stuff, but really, its just superimposition of the ground (leaves, sticks, etc) desaturated and with contrast screwed up. It's supposed to make it look like the video is somehow "lagging" the picture.

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wolkinov
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Maybe Jay is just a target of opportunity - The Operator is really after Alex(and got him, as of 43), but Jay snooping around presents an easy target. We still don't know exactly WHAT He wants, so at this point its just speculation. But we can assume that He has been after Alex for a good while because of the birthday footage.

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Not sure I really see anything, other than the fact that the distortion looks like sonar, including the blank space.

Do we have a time for that screenshot with the picture under it?

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Nanzzy-chan
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12th wrote:
onetruepurple wrote:
Ikekudeyg wrote:
Look at this and what do you see?


I see desaturated footage of the forest superimposed onto footage of the forest. It's just fancy-ass distortion, dudes.


^^This. We love some MS Paint circling and stuff, but really, its just superimposition of the ground (leaves, sticks, etc) desaturated and with contrast screwed up. It's supposed to make it look like the video is somehow "lagging" the picture.

That's what I thought at first, but I really do see a hand.
Checking back in the vid, it's indeed the moment Alex is getting back on his feet, and the grey distortion stays for several frames (even seconds?) before it goes away. And it's the same picture every time, with that hand clearly visible.

What interests me though, is not the picture itself, but how it got there; is it footage from earlier entries, or could that be a different angle showing Alex trying to get up from the ground? And if that's the case, how did that image even end up on the video?
For now I'm kinda leaning towards it being plain ol' Slenderfuckery, though.

ETA: Distortion shows up from around 6:46 to 6:48

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Nanzzy-chan wrote:
12th wrote:
onetruepurple wrote:
Ikekudeyg wrote:
Look at this and what do you see?


I see desaturated footage of the forest superimposed onto footage of the forest. It's just fancy-ass distortion, dudes.


^^This. We love some MS Paint circling and stuff, but really, its just superimposition of the ground (leaves, sticks, etc) desaturated and with contrast screwed up. It's supposed to make it look like the video is somehow "lagging" the picture.

That's what I thought at first, but I really do see a hand.


It's Alex's hand on the forest floor, pushing himself up from the ground. I don't think this is anything else, but I bet people will be speculating about another Rorschach image for pages to come.

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Could it possibly be that slendy is supposed to be slowly GAINING a face since the original series?

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
pravado wrote:
awakeasaurusrex wrote:
pravado wrote:
they didn't add anything... season 2 is all in HD, which is why you can see indents on slendys face that you couldn't see in season 1. they said during an interview this is why they won't recreate season 1 in HD
You keep missing this point though: why is it a big enough problem to prevent them recreating season 1 in HD, but not a big enough problem to prevent them shooting season 2 in HD? It has to be because they've found some way to justify it over the course of season 2 so that it stops being a problem.


because they've already shot most of season 2 in hd... to go down to 480p now would be sacrificing overall video quality for a few slendy face mishaps. if you want to believe your theory about slendy absorbing faces then go right ahead, but know that they said that filming in HD would show certain things like that, in the 5 part interview.
But they did that interview a looooong time before season 2 began. If they knew at that point in time that it would be a problem with shooting in HD, and they considered it a big enough deal to not shoot season 1 in HD, then why on Earth would they start shooting season 2 in HD in the first place?

We know that the MH team are extremely attentive to small details - see the Spongebob incident. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in any way shape or form for them to let a detail like the Operator clearly having the outline of a face to appear in two separate videos unless it was very specifically on purpose, especially when it's an issue that they already knew existed, they'd had problems with in season one already, and which they considered problematic enough to prevent season 1 being filmed in HD.

For the appearance of facial features on the Operator at this point to not be a deliberate and calculated move on the part of the MH creators, they would have to work directly against a whole series of decisions they'd made about the presentation of the Operator in the past. I just don't see them doing that.


But you are talking about a Youtube series. One that was started on the cheap 2 years ago. The problems with filming in HD that they had likely weren't related JUST to showing off Slendy's features but also cost and control. Season 2 is partially funded by youtube ads and DVD sales, and not only that they are more experienced film makers now. The reasons why it's okay to shoot in HD don't have to have anything to do with wanting to purposefully show more detail on Slenderman, but shooting in HD DOES require that they update his look a bit to be more palatable for HD filming.

Not every damn thing needs to have story significance.

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