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chaos_angel
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While we're talking about the ark, perhaps it's meant in the other sense, as in the Ark of the Covenant. A container, or a vessel. Holding the key to defeating the Operator/something that protects you from him/something he wants. A vessel meant to protect an item(?) rather than people? I don't know how they'd go about this without turning it into a MacGuffin tho. Also, has it been determined whether it's "To the ark! ---->" or "To: the ark"? (Though personally I don't believe "the ark" is a person.)

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chaos_angel wrote:
While we're talking about the ark, perhaps it's meant in the other sense, as in the Ark of the Covenant. A container, or a vessel. Holding the key to defeating the Operator/something that protects you from him/something he wants. A vessel meant to protect an item(?) rather than people? I don't know how they'd go about this without turning it into a MacGuffin tho. Also, has it been determined whether it's "To the ark! ---->" or "To: the ark"? (Though personally I don't believe "the ark" is a person.)


An interesting idea.

Maybe "totheark" is a person enthralled by the operator for finding his weakness and now the operator is using him to stalk jay while he, totheark, is vying against the operator for control over his own mind and leaving hidden clues to jay on the whereabouts of the said ark in order to free himself.

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Tipttt wrote:
chaos_angel wrote:
While we're talking about the ark, perhaps it's meant in the other sense, as in the Ark of the Covenant. A container, or a vessel. Holding the key to defeating the Operator/something that protects you from him/something he wants. A vessel meant to protect an item(?) rather than people? I don't know how they'd go about this without turning it into a MacGuffin tho. Also, has it been determined whether it's "To the ark! ---->" or "To: the ark"? (Though personally I don't believe "the ark" is a person.)


An interesting idea.

Maybe "totheark" is a person enthralled by the operator for finding his weakness and now the operator is using him to stalk jay while he, totheark, is vying against the operator for control over his own mind and leaving hidden clues to jay on the whereabouts of the said ark in order to free himself.


Alternatively, totheark is working for/with the Operator because the Operator wants the Ark or whatever is inside it and for some reason needs Jay/his buddies to help them get it. I'm about split 50/50 on this.

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My interpretation of "The Operator" was always the most literal one: he's a puppeteer and his victims are helpless meat puppets, he "operates" them like machinery with a heartbeat for whatever purpose he needs.

This goes hand in hand with what totheark is to me (or was, initially): the Operator's proxy for communication, with the noticeable increase in grasp of our language over time.

At least, that's what I saw in Season 1: Season 2 changed everything...

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Possible totheark suspects, as I see it:

1. An as-of-yet unintroduced character, though this seems unlikely. This could however include a loved-one of one of our missing-presumed-dead characters--a significant other or close family member of Brian, Amy, Seth, Sarah, or even Alex, Tim or Jay. Alternately, Marble Hornets was a student film, so it's possible that totheark is another student or even the group's teacher (or other faculty member) from the time.
2. Tim/Masky. I doubt this because Tim has been nothing but aggressive, whereas totheark's actions have ranged from helpful to malign.
3. Alex. This, to me, is the most obvious answer and therefore the least likely (for this kind of thing, I don't think Occam's Razor applies). In addition, I don't see why, if Alex is TTA, he wouldn't have revealed so by now. However, he's the most likely person (almost) to have had access to the information and media that TTA has used.
4. Alex, part II: Alex has some kind of split personality. Whether it be a bonafide split personality or perhaps some kind of effect of the Operator, this "shadow Alex" posts as totheark, in addition to doing who knows what else. The same as above applies: shadow Alex would have access to the same things Alex has access to, up to and including Alex's memories and knowledge.
5. Jay, part II. This is actually my favorite theory thus far. Jay himself is totheark, and he doesn't even know it. In other words, take the above Shadow Alex theory and apply it to Jay. This explains why TTA knows things about Jay that in all reality even Alex would have had a hard time witnessing if he were spying on Jay. Shadow Jay (probably) has access to all of normal Jay's memories (but not vice-versa) as well as all of his stuff. This also fits in line with the fact that Jay is losing large chunks of time and evidently doing stuff with that time unwittingly. Shadow Jay leaves the totheark videos as an attempt to communicate with his normal self. However, it's quite likely that if Jay ever became aware of Shadow Jay, that the latter would cease to be (being sort-of "assimilated" back into waking-Jay's mind) and thus, out of self-preservation, is carefully disguising his own nature.
6. Brian or Seth, take your pick. We have no idea what's happened to Brian, although at this point he is missing and quite possibly dead. It is even more likely that Seth is dead, considering the events in Entry 22. Still, while we have seen some (unidentified) blood, we haven't (and the characters themselves haven't, to our knowledge) seen the bodies. This of course means that they could still be alive, and either of them could be totheark. Or they could be doing fine and completely uninvolved. At this point, we can't tell.
7. Sarah. We know about as much about Sarah's whereabouts as we do Brian's or Seth's. We do know that she was part of the Marble Hornets cast, and we do know that Alex said she was "gone". It's possible that she is totheark.
8. Amy. Amy seems an unlikely possibility. As far as we know she wasn't involved with Marble Hornets and didn't even know Alex at the time. It's possible that she is totheark however, because totheark didn't pop up until Jay started reviewing the original tapes--which may have begun after the events in Entry 26. Amy went missing after this point, and it's possible that she knew of Jay (perhaps Alex mentioned him or something) and contacted him as totheark.
9. Jessica. Another seemingly unlikely candidate, although a possibility for all of the same reasons Amy is a possibility, since she would have been exposed to the Operator around the same time.
10. Shadow Jessica. Jessica has also experienced the loss of "huge chunks of time." Whoever she is while she's not herself could be totheark.
11. Hoodie. This almost doesn't deserve its own entry, because hoodie (the mystery person from Entry 39, who is presumably also the same person who returned Jay's camera after his run-in with the Operator in Entries 40 and 41) could easily be virtually anyone else on this list. It is however likely that whoever Hoodie is is also totheark, considering the "see you saw you" type messages responding to the aforementioned Entries.
12. Park Guy. As far as I could tell, Park Guy (from Entry 31) is not any of the other characters. However, if he is not significant somehow, he would be the only character so far in the entire series that had nothing to do with anything. My guess is that he's somehow important, although how I don't know. However, this guy is unlikely to be totheark because Hoodie is (probably) totheark and this guy, at least in my opinion, appears to be much larger than hoodie. However, he seems to know his way around the park, and so could have followed Jay in on the day of Entry 40.

Wow, that's a big wall of text. Have I left anyone else out?

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Park guy was likely shown to emphasize Jays paranoia.

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dinosauring wrote:
Park guy was likely shown to emphasize Jays paranoia.


But a random dude walking through a park, only to stop and not respond to jay when he was yelling. And when Jay tapped him on the shoulder, his response was "can I help you?" So im a little confuzzled about this guy
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slendywasphone wrote:
dinosauring wrote:
Park guy was likely shown to emphasize Jays paranoia.


But a random dude walking through a park, only to stop and not respond to jay when he was yelling. And when Jay tapped him on the shoulder, his response was "can I help you?" So im a little confuzzled about this guy

Broseph had his earbuds in.

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WhyYouBawwing wrote:
slendywasphone wrote:
dinosauring wrote:
Park guy was likely shown to emphasize Jays paranoia.


But a random dude walking through a park, only to stop and not respond to jay when he was yelling. And when Jay tapped him on the shoulder, his response was "can I help you?" So im a little confuzzled about this guy

Broseph had his earbuds in.


That too was a little strange. He didn't seem to be puffed, yet he just stood there, looking at the ground. I don't know about you, buuuuuut, That was a little strange to me. He almost seemed like he was trying to come to terms with something, maybe a certain something that was tall, suited and seems to traumatize anyone who sees him
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slendywasphone wrote:
WhyYouBawwing wrote:
slendywasphone wrote:
dinosauring wrote:
Park guy was likely shown to emphasize Jays paranoia.


But a random dude walking through a park, only to stop and not respond to jay when he was yelling. And when Jay tapped him on the shoulder, his response was "can I help you?" So im a little confuzzled about this guy

Broseph had his earbuds in.


That too was a little strange. He didn't seem to be puffed, yet he just stood there, looking at the ground. I don't know about you, buuuuuut, That was a little strange to me. He almost seemed like he was trying to come to terms with something, maybe a certain something that was tall, suited and seems to traumatize anyone who sees him


What is 'puffed'? Is this a euphemism for standing in awkward positions while listening to music on headphones?

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Mr_Magpie wrote:
slendywasphone wrote:
WhyYouBawwing wrote:
slendywasphone wrote:
dinosauring wrote:
Park guy was likely shown to emphasize Jays paranoia.


But a random dude walking through a park, only to stop and not respond to jay when he was yelling. And when Jay tapped him on the shoulder, his response was "can I help you?" So im a little confuzzled about this guy

Broseph had his earbuds in.


That too was a little strange. He didn't seem to be puffed, yet he just stood there, looking at the ground. I don't know about you, buuuuuut, That was a little strange to me. He almost seemed like he was trying to come to terms with something, maybe a certain something that was tall, suited and seems to traumatize anyone who sees him


What is 'puffed'? Is this a euphemism for standing in awkward positions while listening to music on headphones?


No puffed means exhausted, you know, like after running, when you breathe really fast.
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slendywasphone wrote:
That too was a little strange. He didn't seem to be puffed, yet he just stood there, looking at the ground. I don't know about you, buuuuuut, That was a little strange to me. He almost seemed like he was trying to come to terms with something, maybe a certain something that was tall, suited and seems to traumatize anyone who sees him



Well, when I first watched the entry, I thought that guy was peeing in the bushes, so...

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slendywasphone wrote:
WhyYouBawwing wrote:
slendywasphone wrote:
dinosauring wrote:
Park guy was likely shown to emphasize Jays paranoia.


But a random dude walking through a park, only to stop and not respond to jay when he was yelling. And when Jay tapped him on the shoulder, his response was "can I help you?" So im a little confuzzled about this guy

Broseph had his earbuds in.


That too was a little strange. He didn't seem to be puffed, yet he just stood there, looking at the ground. I don't know about you, buuuuuut, That was a little strange to me. He almost seemed like he was trying to come to terms with something, maybe a certain something that was tall, suited and seems to traumatize anyone who sees him


When I lived in NC several years ago--I lived in a huge community called "Nature Trail" and it was at the bottom of Edward's Ridge in rural Chatham Cty in Chapel Hill.It lived up to it's name in every way and when I used to walk through there with my Ipod on,I would frequently take the 'stance' that ToThePark did and stand there,sometimes facing people,sometimes not--and go through my playlists and decide what I wanted to listen to next.I also had pics of my long-distance GF on it and sometimes I'd stand transfixed and unaware of anyone or anything else,and I will add that I don't drink,do drugs or smoke.
So--to ME--ToThePark's actions seemed legit but I can see why some people would see it otherwise,especially in a story such as this.I tend to agree with all the people that are of the opinion that his presence was merely to underscore Jay's paranoia and I'm also thinking--to fuck with US and get a good "GOTCHA" in there...and face it--it WORKED,LMFAO!!!

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I'm pretty sure the park guy didn't even know jay was filming when he stumbled upon him.

That's why he was so convincing in his startled guy role.

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t3hkender wrote:


5. Jay, part II. This is actually my favorite theory thus far. Jay himself is totheark, and he doesn't even know it. In other words, take the above Shadow Alex theory and apply it to Jay. This explains why TTA knows things about Jay that in all reality even Alex would have had a hard time witnessing if he were spying on Jay. Shadow Jay (probably) has access to all of normal Jay's memories (but not vice-versa) as well as all of his stuff. This also fits in line with the fact that Jay is losing large chunks of time and evidently doing stuff with that time unwittingly. Shadow Jay leaves the totheark videos as an attempt to communicate with his normal self. However, it's quite likely that if Jay ever became aware of Shadow Jay, that the latter would cease to be (being sort-of "assimilated" back into waking-Jay's mind) and thus, out of self-preservation, is carefully disguising his own nature.


I honestly really love the idea of this theory, too, but if you look back in TTA videos like Exit and Addition (and maybe even Return) , you see TTA actually filming Jay. The camerawork is a little shaky as well, so you can tell it's not on a tripod or anything. To me, the only way I could see Jay as TTA is if he started making videos as TTA later, like he took someone else's place as TTA (supporting the multiple TTA theories).

Edit: Grammar.

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