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punxtr
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 		Cross-referenced here.

punxtr wrote:
Okay, some new stuff.

A tweet from Forest's twitter: ?m?z?H?v?W?p?W?=
An email from the Watchman: b?9?I?N?b?5?d?0

Combine them: bm9zIHNvbW5pdW0=
Decoded: nos somnium
Translation (Latin to English): We Dream

Tweet from Forest's twitter: Together... http://t.co/Ub7I2jN

The video has a few things hidden in it. Going through it now.

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Today, Thursday, Sep 1 08:44 PM | Show Details

Re: And it grew both day and night...
Forest is a single entity, despite his being made up of many. We ARE many, we are one force - we use one voice to talk to you - via these electrons and crystals of quartz, but we are much more. We are oxygen, the trees gasp of life that you mortals need to breathe.
We are the green in the plants you harvest, the creatures that pollinate and spread your genetically modified foods.
We are never thanked, and we bear with this. We care not for emotion - your anger or your concern does not matter to us - merely your actions.
The man who you once referred to as Howard Fair was fearful of us yet still came. He is now us and understands this - would you sacrifice your humanity to discover the same secret? No.
We do not try to set anyone against anyone - merely ask how this situation is best resolved. We do not wish to hurt - but we are limited by our governances of what we can do.
The key lies with creation. Let the stars throw down their spears...

The Watchman.

On 2 September 2011 01:20, <piaward wrote:

No Watchman that is not a viable solution and is as distasteful to me as mine was to you. Forest exists and, as I have shown you, wants to continue to exist just as you want to continue to exist. Please do not delete Father from the timeline. I am sure another solution can be found.

Also, I am trying to be your friend but you make it very hard first by trying to set your followers against the friends of Forest, then by continually threatening to cut short his existence. And so yes, I am starting to get angry with you.




On 09/01/11, Howard Fairwrote:
You would have us inflict the golem upon another realm instead - pass the buck as you mortals say - how very limiting of you - yet your words bear fruit earlier - it is not the child's fault for the sins of the Father - we will look into removing Father from time and thus prefent the existence of Forest in the first place - this is what you intend yes?

The Watchman

On 1 September 2011 16:59, <piawardwrote:

Dear Watchman,

Blake understood that everything in the world is connected. "To see the world in a grain of sand..."
http://johanistan.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/william-blake-auguries-of-innocence-an-analysis-part-i/#more-549

Harming part of the world has a corresponding consequence to all the rest
"A dog starved at his master's gate
predicts the ruins of the state"
http://johanistan.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/an-analysis-of-william-blakes-auguries-of-innocence-part-ii/

What is harming your green world is "the soldier, armed with sword and gun, palsied strikes the summer's sun" because Forest is converting the green that you need into the energy that he needs and "energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

And so this seems like an "either or" situation.

But even Blake thought the soldier was a slave.
"Blake's trouble with authority came to a head in August 1803, when he was involved in a physical altercation with a soldier called John Schofield.[36] Blake was charged not only with assault, but also with uttering seditious and treasonable expressions against the King. Schofield claimed that Blake had exclaimed, "Damn the king. The soldiers are all slaves."[37] Blake would be cleared in the Chichester assizes of the charges. According to a report in the Sussex county paper, "The invented character of [the evidence] was ... so obvious that an acquittal resulted."[38] Schofield was later depicted wearing "mind forged manacles" in an illustration to Jerusalem"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Blake

Forest was created by Father and like the soldiers in Blake's time, Forest too is enslaved to his king/Father whom he obeys unquestioningly.

And so to me Forest appears to be an innocent, "a robin redbreast in a cage", that as Blake argues in his poem should be protected.
Forest was created by Father and so had no choice in the matter. His "cage" is his unique reanimated condition which so far does not allow him to be free. And he is in Venice now to find an artisan to help fix his face so he can live more easily among humans

He also does not want to hurt the green. He understands that he is hurting the green but
has a sincere desire not to be the cause of other peoples suffering as evidence by something he wrote to me:

Dear Pia
This is the first that anyone has explained our source of energy - we are confused - we do not wish to take from something else - yet we understand also that there is a role in the natural cycle for everything. We know we are outside of that - but Father's purpose for us is nothing to do with the Green - of that we have been assured. We just desire to live like everyone else - to serve our country and to help others.. to love, and to have children..
What other energies could we use?
Forest.

He appears to think he is not part of the natural cycle and you too seem to indicate that as well from what you said;
"Forest drains the Green exponentially, not systematically - for every epoch that he exists, one tree is felled, one land depleted, one soul consumed. All draw on, yet return back - he does not."

"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth
and from this video I understand now how severe you are viewing the issue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM1x4RljmnE
and that for Forest too this is a fatal situation.

When Howard conjured up the green sprite, the sprite told him that there may be more realms of magic beyond the green
that correspond to rawn and pallow. Is there a source of energy that Forest can use from one of those realms?

Pia





On 08/27/11, Howard Fairwrote:
Help us...

The Watchman


Also ddl, belated thanks for finding and posting the picture from my lotto ticket and great job on figuring out where the maidens lie.

I think what the Watchman means by "the key lies in creation" is
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that there was a problem with the Mide ritual which is also something Father seemed to imply in one of his youtube videos. Or it could be that the green takes Blake's view that Father is similar to the Christian God who created both the tiger and the lamb which is what Blake was struggling with in "Tyger"


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 		In terms of the YouTube vid,

At 2:20,
a box appears with the characters Y0dWdWRHRmpiR1U9

At 2:42 & 2:59,
there is garbled speech.

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 		New YouTube video and Twitter post



YouTube: Link

EDIT: Added Twitter post

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RE: ??

Listen to the golem's dreams and thoughts,your answers are found there. Do not presume our actions again mortal.
The Watchman.

-original message-
Subject: ??
From: piawardSPLATverizon.net
Date: 03/09/2011 19:02

Watchman,I don't understand. Have you removed Father from the timeline?



Youtube title "NLE Tractor" and what says beneath "I am responsible and penitent..."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultivator_No._6

Cultivator No. 6 was the code name of a military trench-digging machine developed by the British Royal Navy at the beginning of World War II. The machine was originally known as White Rabbit Number Six; this code name was never officially recognised, but it was said to be derived from Churchill's metaphorical ability to pull ideas out of hat.[1] It is also highly suggestive of the White Rabbit character from Lewis Carroll's book Alice's Adventures in Wonderland who famously disappears down a hole. An echo of the original code name remained in the "WR" drawing numbers used by Ruston-Bucyrus. Possibly by coincidence, when recording a demonstration of Cultivator in 1941, General Alan Brooke likened another meeting earlier that day to the Mad Hatter's Tea Party.[2] The codename was changed to the less suggestive Cultivator Number Six to conceal its identity. The name was later changed to N.L.E. Tractors.[3] Winston Churchill sometimes referred to the machine as his mole and the prototype machine was dubbed Nellie. It was lightly armoured and carried no weapons. It was designed to advance upon an enemy position largely below ground level in a trench that it was itself excavating. On reaching the enemy's front line, it would serve as a ramp for the troops, and possibly tanks, following in its trench.

Cultivator No. 6 was an enormous machine and was planned to be built in substantial numbers. The overall weight was 130 tons and the length was 77 feet 6 inches (23.62 m).[4] The machine's development and production was enthusiastically backed by Winston Churchill and work on it continued well past the point when there was no obvious use for it.[5] In the end, only a small number of machines were constructed and none were used in combat. In his memoirs, Churchill, said about it: "I am responsible but impenitent".[6]


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 		Morse code:
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- .... --. .. . -.-- - .-. .. .... - -. . ...- . ... -.-- - .-. .. .... - -. . - -. .... --- .---

Decodes to:
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THGIEYTRIHTNEVESYTRIHTNETNHOJ

Reversed:
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JOHNTENTHIRTYSEVENTHIRTYEIGHT

Which is:
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Don't believe me unless I carry out my Father's work.
But if I do his work, believe in the evidence of the miraculous works I have done, even if you don't believe me. Then you will know and understand that the Father is in me, and I am in the Father.


There's also a base64 message in the video too:
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ahr0cdovl3d3dy5saw5vdhlwzs5jb20vzw4voduyl2l0y3phcgzkaw5nymf0cy1myw1pbhkuahrtbd9qsfbtrvntsuq9yjizoti4ztk1nzrknzi4ngrhywninta3ztbkmjjkmjg=

It doesn't translate well:
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jôqÚ/—www.lkovpÎÎcom/Ï/¡Û²—itËzar äkgÊgôs-fË in.jímßj±öí®ùí²ê½Ê8³¢Ø¸ÎÙ5Ÿ:äŸ8¸ž
áË âžÖ·ÎÖäš8äš8

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 		Who is Father in terms of Forest?
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Just tossing an idea up there:

One of Forest's Tweets mentions Father being two people. Forest also makes references to being untied in this Tweet, which could support the idea of Forest and Father being connected. Combine that with the observation that Forest's tweets have started going from plural first person to singular since Father's disappearance, could Forest and Father be so closely connected that one lives in/as the other?

Taking into account the Biblical reference, does Forest need to come to terms with being the embodiment of Father's desires (desires that manifest as Father himself)?


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 		The PM posted an accurate version of the base64.
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http://www.linotype.com/en/852/itczapfdingbats-family.html?PHPSESSID=b23928e9574d7284daacb507e0d22d28

The binary decodes to:
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emplehesaelp, which is please help me, backwards.

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 		New Tweet here.

As an observations, the tweet no longer uses first person plural. Since he mentions being whole, it seems that there might have been a point when he was not. I wonder if this could be related to Father.

=-=-=-=

EDIT: Email from The Watchman

Quote:
We note that Forest has a new friend. Pity your friendship may be short-lived...

We have waited long enough.

We question, as one poet and playwright did:

Should 'The sins of the father are to be laid upon the children' ?

If not, Forest's father is removed permanently and the golem-child is
therefore released and independent. His actions will determine his
fate.
If so, we will reinstate Forest's father to him - at the cost of them
both being punishable for their actions, and each others.

We will await three rotations of the planet: the sun will rise and set
once upon your decisions sent to us in reply and we will will then
decide on the day you mark of the Sun on possibly giving you the
energy Forest seeks OR taking all of our energy back permanently.

One condition - Forest is not to know of this ultimatum - he is of
man's decision making process - that will be his making or undoing
now.
Choose between yourselves - discuss what you need to and be full in
your thoughts.

Thoughts maketh the man...

The Watchman.


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 		The Twitter just imploded or something... no more communication from Forest?

Oh, I screwed up... sorry guys, my fault. I told Forest about the vote. I completely forgot.
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 		Don't worry. Forest has done similar things before. The end of The Cooler I think.

I believe the next step in Tractors relates to the hexagon, hive, thing... not sure though.
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 		Well, Forest pointed us in that direction immediately before the Green shut him down, so I would say it's a good lead. Maybe I should share what I've found:

The first image is of a body of water. Reflection is a word I associate with it. The next is a man with a scythe/the reaper, with the clock stuck at XII--perhaps meaning Forest and Father's time is limited. The next is the Holy Bible, which the passage from the Morse code alludes to. Father Abraham kissing his son Isaac--it seems to imply that Forest carries with him a higher power/energy. A happy birthday card... it seems to follow the theme of father and son. Then the enigma machine, followed by an early version of the Colossus; which was used to crack the Lorenz cipher back during WWII, I think. The next is a work by Sol LeWitt titled "Arcs from Four Corners". The next is Google, with maybe about 91 zeros. The last is the flickr logo with a painting in it... and an X above it...

Honeycomb, hexagon. Some hexadecimal message?
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error hex error around error symbols error translate error error error again again again error numbers error ten error x x x x x x x x x x


Thoughts?
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 		I've already seen it. I literally must be overlooking something because there is no hex around the symbols for BtI. Nor is decoding BtI as base64, then analyzing the hex to come from it useful, nor is decoding BtI as hex useful. I mean, I could try a bit harder, but lately I'm bogged down by my coursework. I figured the 20 ARGs I joined would have been over by summer (exaggeration of numbers)...
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Lystella wrote:

The second email:
"Subject: There late was One within whose subtle being..." wrote:
We offer this.

You have until the time specified.

You fail = all die.

You succeed = you will know what to get and then can ask they who know what to do...

Your choices. Your consequences.

Forest is safe. He will be released soon - until then, you are alone...

The Watchman.


The second email had two attachments that looked to have the same information sent for different Word doc compatibilities (doc and docx). I have yet to take a close look at the files.


Double posting because if the importance. I'll also attach what was sent. The writing on the image says this:

Quote:
Father will be maintained until everything is balanced.
Then, and only then, will judgement be passed.
This will allow the rhetoric of one voice to be enacted fully,
whilst the other opinion will be executed to the letter.
We do not desire this, but it is needed to be so.
We offer one idea of help, one which we rarely share with humanity:
If Forest is worthy and you are clever and realise it, the lottery may still be played out...


The lottery was over in this thread, so I figured this was the right place to point this out. Thoughts?
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