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Figuring out the Multiple "ToTheArk's"
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det slanke mannen
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@That Crazy Viking

Could you add the translations for the base 64 code stuff in the descripions you compiled?
'Cause somehow the "=" at the end of the description in Memories seems like it might be a clue, as if the "minus centroid" might really be important.

As I read somewhere, a centroid in physics is basically the center of gravity.
I think it's not too far a stretch to say that the Operator is the "center of gravity" of sorts for several of the characters here - they seem to attract him/are marked by him/whatever...you know what I mean?
So, calling it MINUS centroid might be tta trying to give a clue how to negate that pull the Operator has that affects Alex/Jay/Tim/...

What do you think?
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Seems to me that there are indeed patterns in the descriptions. Some use // symbols, some are simple words, others are numbers, a few are puzzles to be translated, and a couple are merely punctuation. They probably DO spell something out when compiled appropriately. Awesome list, Vixen! Has anyone taken the time to put the whole compiled thing into a 64 translator? Or taken the translated bits and tried to piece them in?

To me, I really think that the entries that use the // symbols in the descriptions are probably one signature bit, the others that use mere words are another person's signature, the ones with numbers mayhaps are another signature. Maybe the entries with "codes" in the description are videos worked on by more than one TTA member.

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ToxicityLevel wrote:
Seems to me that there are indeed patterns in the descriptions. Some use // symbols, some are simple words, others are numbers, a few are puzzles to be translated, and a couple are merely punctuation. They probably DO spell something out when compiled appropriately. Awesome list, Vixen! Has anyone taken the time to put the whole compiled thing into a 64 translator? Or taken the translated bits and tried to piece them in?

To me, I really think that the entries that use the // symbols in the descriptions are probably one signature bit, the others that use mere words are another person's signature, the ones with numbers mayhaps are another signature. Maybe the entries with "codes" in the description are videos worked on by more than one TTA member.


Thank you. ^^
I tried sorting out which descriptions go with which TTA, but it's somewhat impossible if:
A.) We don't know how many people are in TTA.
B.) The description and what happens in the video fall into different categories (i.e. when the videos follow their own group with descriptions that don't match).
C.) We don't have the complete pattern yet. Maybe this is the newest cycle of TTA videos and they aren't finished.
D.) Everyone here disagrees on how the descriptions/videos are sorted out.

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ToxicityLevel wrote:
Some use // symbols


Ok, hear me out...

Totheark is a Neo-Nazi collective.

// is the bottom portion of the stylized "SS" insignia.

They incorporate footage of the Pearl Harbor bombing in the "Messages" video.

In the first Indiana Jones film, Nazis are on a quest to find... the Ark of the covenant! The Ark!

TTA are Nazis. I'm going to run with this and see if anything else connects. Haha.

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Something I thought of last night in the shower. "Warning" states that "this is raw footage from Alex Kralie"... and then proceeds to give us a ton of shots of Masky. Shocked Where did Alex get footage of Tim in his mask? Were they working together and then had some sort of split? Or was Alex spending time in the/a mask? I'm starting to not like this...

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MDS1138 wrote:

They incorporate footage of the Pearl Harbor bombing in the "Messages" video.


Sorry, but the footage in "Messages" is the SS Arizona sinking.

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McWeird007 wrote:
MDS1138 wrote:

They incorporate footage of the Pearl Harbor bombing in the "Messages" video.


Sorry, but the footage in "Messages" is the SS Arizona sinking.


Whoops, I misspoke. But it is footage of it sinking after the attack, correct?

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chaos_angel wrote:
Something I thought of last night in the shower. "Warning" states that "this is raw footage from Alex Kralie"... and then proceeds to give us a ton of shots of Masky. Shocked Where did Alex get footage of Tim in his mask? Were they working together and then had some sort of split? Or was Alex spending time in the/a mask? I'm starting to not like this...


It's a reference to the introduction video. That Masky is definitely Tim, he has Tim's hair and all.

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DHawk314 wrote:
chaos_angel wrote:
Something I thought of last night in the shower. "Warning" states that "this is raw footage from Alex Kralie"... and then proceeds to give us a ton of shots of Masky. Shocked Where did Alex get footage of Tim in his mask? Were they working together and then had some sort of split? Or was Alex spending time in the/a mask? I'm starting to not like this...


It's a reference to the introduction video. That Masky is definitely Tim, he has Tim's hair and all.


Yeah, I was pretty sure it was Tim too, which is what had me confused. Alex shouldn't have footage of Tim wearing his mask unless something is going on or, as you seem to be saying, TTA is just using that line as a reference/callback (though I don't know why he'd do that.) Either way, whoever TTA is, they are either Tim, working with Tim, or a group comprised in part of Tim. The only other alternative is that the footage was stolen, because that looks like some pretty posed shots to me.

I wonder if perhaps Alex, Tim, and Seth were an Operator-hunting group and then Seth met an unknown fate, Tim became Masky, and Alex moved away, with Jay either not being involved or being part of it and then forgetting... I would really like to know how long Tim has been Masky. We see him suffering the Slendersickness in the old videos, but the first time we actually see Masky is *after* Jay interviews Tim, which may have been a trigger... Either way, if Tim and Alex were at one point working together, and Tim is involved in TTA, that may be where TTA has gotten all this footage like from the original shooting of Marble Hornets... the only question is, when did they split? Was Alex at one point involved in TTA? Is he still?

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chaos_angel wrote:
DHawk314 wrote:
chaos_angel wrote:
Something I thought of last night in the shower. "Warning" states that "this is raw footage from Alex Kralie"... and then proceeds to give us a ton of shots of Masky. Shocked Where did Alex get footage of Tim in his mask? Were they working together and then had some sort of split? Or was Alex spending time in the/a mask? I'm starting to not like this...


It's a reference to the introduction video. That Masky is definitely Tim, he has Tim's hair and all.


Yeah, I was pretty sure it was Tim too, which is what had me confused. Alex shouldn't have footage of Tim wearing his mask unless something is going on or, as you seem to be saying, TTA is just using that line as a reference/callback (though I don't know why he'd do that.) Either way, whoever TTA is, they are either Tim, working with Tim, or a group comprised in part of Tim. The only other alternative is that the footage was stolen, because that looks like some pretty posed shots to me.

I wonder if perhaps Alex, Tim, and Seth were an Operator-hunting group and then Seth met an unknown fate, Tim became Masky, and Alex moved away, with Jay either not being involved or being part of it and then forgetting... I would really like to know how long Tim has been Masky. We see him suffering the Slendersickness in the old videos, but the first time we actually see Masky is *after* Jay interviews Tim, which may have been a trigger... Either way, if Tim and Alex were at one point working together, and Tim is involved in TTA, that may be where TTA has gotten all this footage like from the original shooting of Marble Hornets... the only question is, when did they split? Was Alex at one point involved in TTA? Is he still?


I've got to point out a few things...
Tim was probably not a Masky following Alex during the MH production days because Jay never came across any footage with a masked man. Alex was filming himself constantly, a masked guy would have shown up, which makes me believe that Tim donned the mask specifically for Jay.
I don't think Alex knew Tim was the one behind the mask with a knife; if an old friend came at me I would try talking to them before attacking with ROCKSMASH. He attacked the masked person like a stranger, therefore he would not have ever known about Tim and a mask. I think if one of them, Alex or Tim, was or is part of TTA it negates the other. To me it always seemed like TTA was after masky, so I could support Alex being part of TTA.

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chaos_angel wrote:
Alex shouldn't have footage of Tim wearing his mask unless something is going on or, as you seem to be saying, TTA is just using that line as a reference/callback (though I don't know why he'd do that.)


I suspect it's because totheark is batshit crazy.

pinkee808 wrote:
I don't think Alex knew Tim was the one behind the mask with a knife; if an old friend came at me I would try talking to them before attacking with ROCKSMASH. He attacked the masked person like a stranger, therefore he would not have ever known about Tim and a mask.


Except Alex rock smashed Tim after Jay unmasked Tim, so by the time Alex had asked Jay to give him the knife he knew it was Tim. The rock smash was just a replacement for not being able to use the knife on him. Alex wasn't very good friends with Tim anyway, although I would like to go back to the thing about people in this series being batshit crazy.

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1. He knew it was Tim when he smashed his leg.
2. Alex appears to be just a little brighter than Jay, so it's entirely possible he figured out Masky=Tim long before then.

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To me, the totheark videos are the most interesting part of this story. The "main thread" of the story is an interesting and engaging horror story, with some twists and turns, but largely unfolding along somewhat predictable lines. The motivations of the characters can be guessed at, if not yet understood, and most of the time what we see on screen makes a certain amount of sense.

All of that is terribly untrue of the totheark videos, and the result is a *psychological* thriller, which I find even more fascinating and terrifying than the physical thriller of the main story line. After 2 years, we really have no idea who is making these videos nor, more importantly, why. I've watched them all at least 5 times, and the most interesting thing to me is that I still have no idea who totheark is. On a surface level we don't know who he/she is, of course; it could be anybody. But on a deeper level, we don't have any idea who he/she *is*; what motivates them, what makes them tick. These videos seem to reflect a purpose, but what that purpose is, is totally unclear. What does totheark want us to do? Or Jay to do? Who is he attempting to influence and why? Is he making these for fun? Many of them contain an imperative message: "stay home/be alone". Or a mild admonishment: "you have been keeping secrets". But they don't add up. Does he want the Operator to succeed? Fail? Does he want Jay to stop investigating? Investigate harder? Is he telling us we already know the answer if we look closely? What is the point of any of this?

Obviously it could just be that he's crazy, by which I mean in the technical sense that his actions do not follow any pattern of desires or logic. But that seems intuitively not to be true, and besides it's a cop out. I like the idea of TTA being multiple people; it would help explain why any attempt to "unify" the videos is a seeming failure. But it just complicates the picture because now we are looking for some small set (2? 3?) of discrete but different motivations, and we don't know which videos are which.

The whole thing is kind of masterful, and I tip my hat to the creators.

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I had a thought recently that maybe the "totheark" channel is used by everyone who Alex said was "gone" as the summer of 06 drew to a close (in that video J found on top of the red tower), as in, a group of people who had been captured by the Operator, had their minds broken or altered, that whole thing. J was included in that list, but perhaps after Alex made that tape he somehow rescued J, or J wandered off on his own. Maybe that's why totheark has been taking such an interest in him, that as a group they're trying to bring him back into the fold, and Tim just drew the short straw in terms of doing all the legwork, you know, while his leg worked.

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TiMasky is coming back into the picture pretty soon, guys. I can feel it. Waiting for the epic sideburns.

Anyway, on topic.

I think I could definitely see totheark as being a group of those who have been partly taken over and here and there are trying to fight against it, which would mean some entries have a different purpose than others- overall, though, trying to reveal something about The Operator and what has happened/is happening? And after some of the information found in "Inquiry," I think we are about to learn where exactly they stand/ will stand, as we have not known their intentions until now.

So... I'm feeling that it could be those who have 'disappeared' before- Brian theories, anyone? Seth? Jessica?

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