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NewInTown2
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Randoman96 wrote:
NewInTown2 wrote:
So MH isn't an ARG? Well goodbye then!


It's because ARGs are usually heavily interactive and usually require player involvement. Marble Hornets is more of a semi-interactive story, since Jay interacts with viewers on Twitter occasionally.


It's my first ARG/Whateverthisis so I'm sorry if I got them mixed up. So in an ARG the audience has a more active role? Where here it's more like lost and we try to figure out what the hell is going on? Ok got it!




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 		Well..not exactly.

Consider Cloverfield/1-18-08 (my first ARG). It had numerous websites, and required player interactivity to advance certain parts of the websites stories.

Nine Inch Nails' Year Zero (my second ARG) had actual real-life events that tied into the story, such as a concert that was raided by a fictional police force, and some players in California were given a box of Year Zero related stuff, including a phone that only recieved calls that would advance the plot later.

Just Another Fool (which I have not played, but I've skimmed it) had the journal full of drawings that was actually sent to a player (DavFlamerock, I believe) to investigate.

Those are ARGs. Marble Hornets is a semi-interactive video series.
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 		Aha, ok I got it.

Let's not flood this thread further with my ignorance. Carry on!

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Randoman96 wrote:
Yes, because Troseph are so well known for mocking the viewers. Shut up.


Whoa, dude. No need to get snippy at anyone.

Randoman96 wrote:
I doubt the bracelets are significant beyond an identifier for who is behind the camera. There are specific visual character traits that you'll notice, such as Alex's glasses, shorts and bracelet. Jay wears hoodies, hats and full pants.

Since we're switching to full on chest-cam now, it's possible people other than Alex (e.g. Jay) may be using it. This way, we know if there is a bracelet - it's Alex. If not - it's Jay.

See?


I agree with this.

NewInTown2 wrote:
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Am I the only one that doesn't think the bracelets/watches are of any importance?


Then why do they focus so much on them/change them?

In an ARG it's normal that people will be looking at details to get some possible clues. And I hope Troy and Joseph are enough aware of this to try and keep simple things (like the bracelets or a shirt) the same IF there was no way they could have been changed (I'm sorry if I'm not clear enough, English isn't my native language so it is not always easy Razz)


You were clear! I just disagree. People wear jewelry. I myself wear a black-and-green chain bracelet and occasionally a Harry Potter necklace, but sometimes I change it up. Seeing as we've not had any clues at all to the significance of the bracelet, I highly doubt they're significant past "Alex wears stuff, Jay does not".
(I seem to remember this bracelet debate coming up solely because Alex was wearing a watch in newer installments. I could be off, but when it started, literally what came to mind was "Or he wears a watch".)

I second that MH isn't exactly an ARG, though. It's more of a horror movie, with some slight interactive portions. We're not influencing the story in any way, and it's hard to piece together pieces of it since so much of it is held back until new entries are posted.

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Yuki wrote:

Am I the only one that doesn't think the bracelets/watches are of any importance?


Randoman96 wrote:
I doubt the bracelets are significant beyond an identifier for who is behind the camera. There are specific visual character traits that you'll notice, such as Alex's glasses, shorts and bracelet. Jay wears hoodies, hats and full pants.


I have no problem entertaining the idea that the bracelet is a character signifier, actually I agree with that completely. But, my above post was really just acknowledging a hypothetical rationale for why the costuming change occurred. Also, to bring the theory back into discussion from several pages back where I think it may have been lost.

I also think that Alex was still covering his tracks when calling Jessica, whether he "found" Amy or not. He doesn't want anyone following up on the Amy/Jessica angle, or having Jessica calling Alex back at an inopportune time that would raise suspicion in Jay or other investigators.

So, no, I'm not making fun of the people who were on about the bracelets back in #42. That discuss was obviously a joke about whether the bracelet was even there or whatever. There's an obvious, factual change in Alex's appearance from the last entry (and the entries seem to be reasonably proximate to each other) - the observation is a valid one. Whether it has plot or game importance is an issue which will remain to be seen.

EDIT: Reversed EDIT since it was OT and there's rage on in the rage thread about what I was noting. Disregard.

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 		I'm not saying he can't change what he wears, I just saw it as another indicator that Entry 44 was at least a day later then 43 or that Alex somehow got new clothes and wristwear. + I find it strange that Alex changes from a dull dark watch to a bright pink one. Maybe his old one broke during his business meeting with slendy in entry 43 and he had to change it with the first thing he could find. Could be that I'm nitpicking, but I for one didn't notice the sigma. While I immediately noticed the watch Wink

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I don't want to become "the bracelet guy". But in my opinion it has some significance Razz


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 		I'm quite liking the Operator = Addiction/Drug ideas, makes me think of ''Silent Snow, Secret Snow'' ( the short film that was used in the TTA-Signal vid) in which a boy becomes enticed into a kind of blissful dreamworld by an apparently external force, but doesn't realise that the further he goes the more it's messing him up.

Link here if anyone wants it; Silent Snow, Secret Snow Part 1 & Part 2.

And also OOG;
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In the Q&A that Troy and Joseph did on Unfiction over a year ago Troy said this

Q:What inspired you to use Silent Snow, Secret Snow by Conrad Aiken in the post "Signal" from totheark?

Troy: It was very strange how that came about. I just came across Silent Snow, Secret Snow by accident. After watching it, all I could think was "This is just too perfect not to use somehow". If you haven't watched it, I highly recommend it.


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Zebez wrote:
As a general part of the Slender Man mythos, it is believed that once you know about him, he will come and get you. That's part of the paranoia because you can't just erase him from your memory as you would like. [...] And this leads to what I have read about the operator symbol. When you see it, it makes you think of him.


Like a primitive mandala, which makes Alex sitting in meditative position in front of the door very interesting...

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NewInTown2 wrote:
I'm not saying he can't change what he wears, I just saw it as another indicator that Entry 44 was at least a day later then 43 or that Alex somehow got new clothes and wristwear. + I find it strange that Alex changes from a dull dark watch to a bright pink one. Maybe his old one broke during his business meeting with slendy in entry 43 and he had to change it with the first thing he could find. Could be that I'm nitpicking, but I for one didn't notice the sigma. While I immediately noticed the watch Wink

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I don't want to become "the bracelet guy". But in my opinion it has some significance Razz


My guess is that the watch and the bracelets are no more than mementos of Amy's. They're important, but only to let the audience know what Alex's motives are.

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 		I don't know if this has been said before, but I haven't seen it in this thread.


Does anyone think maybe Alex uses the bracelets as sort of a way to date his videos and link them together?

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 		This is more or less unrelated to this entry, but near the beginning of MH J mentioned that all of the tapes he got from Alex couldn't be dated. Now that he's pulling footage from the hard drive though, every piece of footage in there is entirely dated down to the minute.

So when were they, Jay? When were they bro?

EDIT: Gaisle, yeah, that.

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mokie wrote:
Zebez wrote:
As a general part of the Slender Man mythos, it is believed that once you know about him, he will come and get you. That's part of the paranoia because you can't just erase him from your memory as you would like. [...] And this leads to what I have read about the operator symbol. When you see it, it makes you think of him.


Like a primitive mandala, which makes Alex sitting in meditative position in front of the door very interesting...


You know what really drew me to this forum? Is things like this. Seriously, I have learned about so many things that I have never knew existed. It does seem possible, and connects with the trance state very well. It was also part of the mythos that SM would have cults, and from the story Alex told in whatever entry it was, it seems like the operator, or at least the trees he so identifies with, were worshiped, and thought sacred.

However, I'm not sure if this was the intention, as the operator symbol does make sense as a symbol itself. Guy with no face= crossed out circle. But then again, I wouldn't be surprised because these guys seem to know exactly what they're doing.

Also, I think the bracelets really are just an indicator of who the person in the film is.

...wait. Indicator? omg the bracelets are the ark...




Just kidding. Razz

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 		As of now, I am on board with the drawings = summoning of the operator.

I know it's not likely, but is it possible that Alex drew the picture to leave behind for anyone to find as a clue to where he's gone?

Just another possibility but like I said, not likely.

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 		It's more likely than the drawings summoning TO. I don't buy that. There have been plenty of times where the symbol exists, yet TO is not there. Even in many TTA videos that are trying to be helpful, but the symbol is there.
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muted wrote:
So when I saw this entry I thought it was kinda strange how the scenes skip. Usually the entry's are sort of a single shot sequence. So I timed each skip with the newest totheark video.



this may just be a coincidence the other skips don't fit nearly as well as this first one, but it is kind of eery.

here are the rest of the skips and the frames from totheark (each time there was a time skip I would play the next frame from the totheark video)

second: http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/xellacard/ARG/second.png

third: http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/xellacard/ARG/third.png

forth: http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/xellacard/ARG/fourth.png

fifth: http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/xellacard/ARG/fifth.png

sixth: http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/xellacard/ARG/sixth.png

seventh: http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/xellacard/ARG/seventh.png

eighth: http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/xellacard/ARG/eigth.png

ninth: http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/xellacard/ARG/ninth.png

it is interesting to note that even though the skips don't make perfect sense with the totheark frames, there are still the same number of frames as there are skips in the video. (they both have 9)

I've been following Marble hornets for a long time but this is my first time posting anything on this forum. Hopefully this helps!

9th and 5th skip screen shots made me shit a tonne of brix... zomg.. o.o Great first post by the way!

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