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Randoman96
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TheBioGuy wrote:

I'm very sorry that it came off as rude, but I do not think that it is a "personal attack on me" nor do I act like it has no merit. I stated very clearly that it has the full potential to be correct, just as mine does. It also has the full potential to be incorrect, just as mine does.

I've never (intentionally, at least) acted like any theory is wrong, it's just that I can not see what you guys see. As Mariolee suggested, I will try to make a comparison picture for what I see to back up my own argument.

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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:12 pm

sjhartsfield
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Randoman96 wrote:

As Mariolee suggested, I will try to make a comparison picture for what I see to back up my own argument.

I think that the problem you'll have with that is that while people who are on the "they're MH characters" side of this thing have a plethora of pictures to choose from to use for comparison, people who agree with you (including myself) are going to have to search for images that match up with the impressions that the distorted pictures have given them.

In other words, it's easier for others to say, "This looks like Brian!" and pull up a picture of Brian than it is to say, "This looks like an old man!" and access a picture of the exact kind of old man that you see.

For instance, the second image (the one that some say looks like Alex, but who you and I think looks like a black man) can be described by someone in our camp as looking like a lighter-skinned black male, maybe in his mid-twenties, with a broadish nose, full lips, prominent "cheek apples", a short-shorn afro hairstyle, maybe even a light mustache. But how are we supposed to produce a picture of that?

Anyway, that's just my two cents. I'm not saying that a comparison shouldn't be tried, or anything like that, because if comparison images can be produced, fantastic! I'm just suggesting that it might not be as easy as some of the people calling for them think it will.

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:38 pm

ToxicityLevel
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Randoman96 wrote:

^But it's easily recognizable that those are all Brian. The second and third pictures of Inquiry still look like an old man and a person with dark skin to me. If you can take a picture of Alex and make him look black in b/w, I'll believe you.

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Not to mention the fact that the first picture in Inquiry looks like Billie Joe Armstrong, but that's beside the point.

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Also your fourth picture kinda made me laugh a bit. Brian's lookin' kinda derpy.

Two things, Daniel m'dear. First of all, of COURSE they look like Brian. Not ONLY are you looking at the original so of course your brain can see that it's Brian when the two are compared side-by-side but I used a pretty obvious reference picture. If TTA is 4 people we know already, they know one another and will have access to pictures of themselves that we've never seen. They can also of course have taken pictures specifically for this video.

Also, without knowing what program was used to create the distort there's no way to accurately reproduce it. Even with using something as simple as Photoshop -- there are a million and one plug-ins that create distortion. If I donno what they used I'm never gonna be able to reproduce. Two of those images were made in gIMP. A third was made in an online photoeditor -- pixlr.com -- because all programs sample and edit differently. Try and figure out which ones were made in which program and then you'll understand what I mean.

Mariolee wrote:

Haha, no biggie. Also, I just saw Toxicity's comment that I'm a newbie? I joined up way before he did, have been following long before joining up, and was one of the first people to come up with the theory that the rock fell on Tim's leg which explains his limp later whereas a lot of the other people speculated it killed him or something. Newbie? Seriously?

Not that it really matters, but I'm a girl. And unlike some people, I don't connotate the term "newbie" to be derrogatory. That being said, I thought that someone in the original thread said it was your first post, and I didn't check back there, so I'm sorry for the confusion. It doesn't matter when you join -- lots of people lurk here for years before ever posting -- so "new" is a relative term. Holy monkey. Relax. I'm not trying to compare who's post count is bigger, nor trying to say I'm better than you because I (like a geek) am here every day checking and posting. Internet in Indonesia (like you said) is hard to find.

Admittedly, I get cranky when people repeat what I and other people have already said (oftentimes repeatedly) and are suddenly lifted up like they came up with it on their own. (Which admittedly is not really the poster's fault entirely in the first place.) Yes, it sucks when I get home from school at 11 o'clock at night here on the west coast, and there are 14-20 pages on a video I haven't even been able to watch yet, but I do my best to read through (or at the very least skim) those pages before I say something because (I feel) that's sort of the respectful thing to do. You have less internet access, so maybe you prioritize differently. It's just how we approach things here. Diff'rent strokes and all.

Back to the topic: Yes. I agree with your theory that they are all people we know, and I DO agree that if we COULD "fix" the pictures (which I think will be nigh on impossible given the reasons stated above) we would see the faces of TTA.

...And that Daniel is a poop-head for not agreeing with us. Razz

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You know I love you Danny-boy. <3!

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Also, for those playing at home: The asian-Brian up top and the Anime-Brian were made in gIMP, pixlr made the wavy Brian, though I used almost EXACTLY the same changes to brightness, contrast, posterization, distortion, etc. -- and got THAT effect. Weird.

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:05 pm

Yuki
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TheBioGuy wrote:

@^ Actually, it did come off as rather rude. And you ought to stop thinking that people pursuing this theory are doing so as a personal attack on you.

As it turns out, people are allowed to have differences of opinion. It's a matter of perspective and it's part of what makes us human. Please stop acting like this theory has no merit, since at the very least Toxicity's pictures further up the page looks to be somewhat legit.

If it's a theory you don't agree with, leave it alone. I promise that people having a theory different from you won't kill you. Your "I disagree in an extreme amount" post last page sounded troll-y, and there are people on this forum who look up to you. Stop bitching, and either contribute to this theory, or, if you disagree so strongly, then, as I said before, leave it alone.

While I think it's people we know and see very little reason for it to be random pictures--as well as the pictures Toxicity posted--I have to disagree with this. I didn't find the post rude at all. I've seen others that have been rude--flat out "No, that guy is black, you're wrong"--but that wasn't.

Randoman, out of curiosity, what do you think we'd get, plot-wise, if it weren't people we already know?

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:28 pm

Randoman96
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Randoman96 wrote:

^Posted in the Inquiry thread

Randoman96 wrote:

(I am still in the thought that none of the pictures are of people we know. Except maybe the last one is Tim.)

What if these are some of the people we don't know that have been effected by The Operator? That they have been taken or lost their memories?

Say, the final stage of "slendersickness" is being taken, or death. The next to last is almost all of your memories gone. These are the people who lost everything in their mind, and forgot who they were.

TTA wants Jay to hold on and not forget who he is, and try his hardest to solve this whole thing. It would go well with Memories' message of "YOU'VE DONE NOTHING".

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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:46 pm

Mariolee
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ToxicityLevel wrote:

Mariolee wrote:

It really doesn't matter that you're a girl. :p And yes, I definitely know the feeling of having your idea stolen, and I'm sorry it seems like that. But I honestly didn't know other people came up with the same thing, and if you knew what my internet was like in Indonesia, you'd know why I don't exactly have time to load 14-20 pages. Each page alone takes five minutes to load, only 20 seconds to skim through. Not worth it. I also was really excited about this theory and posted it without knowing if anyone else did already as I wanted to be the first one.

I'm seriously sorry if I have come off as arrogant and as a thief of ideas, especially since I've felt cheated before like you have and know it sucks. Sad

Again, lo siento.

I have photoshop at home, so once I get back, I'll try to replicate the distortions as closely as possible.

Daniel's theory is just as possible as ours I suppose, but I don't believe it's as plausible as ours. :p

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:23 pm

Chest Cam Avenger
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I like turtles.

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:26 am

ToxicityLevel
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Chest Cam Avenger wrote:

I like turtles.

Because I luff you. <3!

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:27 am

Chip the 3rd
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Joined: 22 Jul 2011
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Hello! And Now For My Theory

Hi, I'm pretty new to Unfiction, but I decided to come to this thread and say that, after Entry #44 was posted, surely I can't be the only one who thinks that the mysterious, robed figure in the cloth mask might be related in some way to our friend(s) totheark? My theory is that Totheark are some form of Slendy cult, and that the masks are different depending on how important that member of the group is.

For example, let's say that the white Maskies are the standard work force. The group, somehow thinking Jay is a threat, sent out the white masked members to deal with him, Tim included. Given that Tim has already been taken care of, to some extent, totheark have now realized that Jay is much more serious than they thought. Therefore, they are sending out the Black Masks, which are a higher level than White Masks.

Another theory is that these other mystery men wearing masks and robes are rivals of Totheark. They gave Jay's camera back, after all, possibly so he could continue filming, furthering their strange goals (if any).

These are just theories, though. Could go either way

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:24 am

slendywasphone
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Chip the 3rd wrote:

Welcome to the forums! Very Happy

Very interesting thoughts there. This one has been discussed in several different topics. But not necessarily the "Levels" per se. Nor has the "rivals" theory much.

Generally if Occam's razor was to play a part here, there would have to be several people in each team, of which we don't have evidence to support, nor do we have evidence to disprove it. Assuming that there is more than one masky for each side would mean that there is a whole lot more than just Alex and Jay who are being tormented here, and im not just talking about the rest of the cast + Jessica, I mean like hundreds of people. If this was the case, why do they all want Alex and/or Jay. Or why is the Operator employing hundreds of people when he can clearly attack Alex/Jay himself.

If you were to just look at it like they are the only two masks, plus who ever is in ToTheArk, it would make more sense. Not knowing TTA's or the Operators motives makes any theory possibly correct at this stage.

Levels on the other hand seems equally possible, or they may even be apart of the same dealio. If you think about the movie "Die Hard" for instance, bruce Willace's character is reckless (like tim/masky) and it takes him somewhat longer and he is willing to hurt/sacrifice himself for the mission. As with lets say Special Ops (Hoody) come in and do work cleaner, and their motives are unseen to the camera?

Just my thoughts on your theories Very Happy

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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:55 am

Chest Cam Avenger
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ToxicityLevel wrote:

Chest Cam Avenger wrote:

I like turtles.

Because I luff you. <3!

Welcome to the forums, Chip! I like the theory of the white masks and black masks, although if the blaskies ARE the next level "up", I wish their look was at least a LITTLE cooler.

I mean, c'mon - sideburns or not, TiMasky looks BADASS.

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:36 am

Chip the 3rd
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Yes, he does. Especially since his first real Masky appearance made sitting on a couch doing nothing look absolutely terrifying. Also, the TTA Solution: TACKLE FUCKING EVERYTHING! I even made my own damn Tim Mask.

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:47 am

Randoman96
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Don't forget Skully.

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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:23 pm

TheBioGuy
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Randoman96 wrote:

Don't forget Skully.

Why would you say that. Razz

Sorry, I'm an established skully-hater.

More seriously, sorry that I came down on you so hard, it's just that you're posting a lot of stuff that sounds like "nuh-UH! (with no particular reason except to be difficult)" to me, which frustrates the living hell out of me. But upon looking back, I may have judged too soon and too harshly. Still, I feel it would be more plausible for TTA to post pictures of people that we know.

What it comes down to is the fact that most of TTA is the interactive portion of the story. The puzzles can, at least in part, be solved. And so for him to use random pictures that wouldn't be recognized seems at the least sketchy, at the most flat-out counterintuitive.

Also, I would like us to return to the effort of trying to catalogue the videos, using the clues we have, into however many categories they can be sorted into. Signature, typeface, and content should all be considered. I am at camp, and my breaks are few and far between (also, my internet is slow, though obviously nothing compared to Mariolee's), so I would if I could, but I can't so I hope someone can!

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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:46 pm

Woolsthorpexx
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ToxicityLevel wrote:

Randoman96 wrote:

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Not to mention the fact that the first picture in Inquiry looks like Billie Joe Armstrong, but that's beside the point.

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Also your fourth picture kinda made me laugh a bit. Brian's lookin' kinda derpy.

Mariolee wrote:

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You know I love you Danny-boy. <3!

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How did you get that whale emoticon?

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:02 pm

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