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Riovas
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slendywasphone wrote:

Now right there! One fatal mistake. Not a biggie but ToTheArk actually says "Do I help or Do I kill." That could mean anything.

It could even mean that TTA is taunting Jay saying "Do I help someone, or do I kill someone?" In the 7 months. Or maybe it is just asking if he should help or kill. Nothing is that certain yet

Knowing TTA he has this wonderful habit of not using question marks. Razz


You're right! my bad :/


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DonMonte wrote:

It's been suggested that in Return Masky was protecting Jay from the Operator. Oppy's never been shown to move quickly while on camera, but seems to appear out of nowhere. Maybe Masky trained the camera on Jay as a way to slow the Operator down once he appeared and lead Oppy away.


To quote myself from another thread:
Return is just... a very confusing TTA video in general. It's my personal opinion that TTA was distracting the Operator from Jay by manning the camera... but Return directly follows Entry #19, which means that, as far as we can tell, it was actually Tim who led Jay from his apartment back to (what appears to be) the hallway in Brian's house. Throughout all of Season One TTA seemed to emphasize Jay needing to go to Brian's house. But why? What about Jay being in Brian's house finally caused the Operator to return ( Cool ) after a three year long absence? It's not as if Jay hadn't been investigating the tapes and generally bumbling about long before that point, yet TTA seems to have specifically set up this series of events knowing that the Operator would appear.

It certainly doesn't make any sense that now, in Entry #45, they would suddenly be frightened of the Operator, which is why I don't think that it was the Operator that frightened them away at all.


I can see that. That would be reasonable. Thanks for the information to both of you.

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I can totally see where you're coming from with this objection, and I would generally agree with you - except that what they seem to be doing at the end of Entry #45 is a sort of sleigh-of-hand misdirect. They set up the tell-tale video tearing and audio distortion (both of which we have seen before in other Entries where there is no Operator presence) then couple it with Tim and Hoody (and the third Masky on the grass knoll) seemingly being spooked by something, finished off with the split-second glimpse we catch of the Operator during the final period of distortion.

However, we quickly discovered that the Operator image we saw in the distortion was actually a piece of footage from Jay's camera. Nevermind the disturbing question of how it could have possibly ended up there - the question is why was it put there? If they wanted to imply straightforwardly that the Operator was there, it would have been just as easy to have a brief glimpse of the Operator actually present, or, even easier, to have nothing there at all. The audience assumption still would have been that the Operator had been there.

From my point of view, it's true that Troseph don't normally seem to purposely misdirect us - but they also don't do things for no reason.

Another objection I have to the Operator actually having been physically present at the end of Entry #45 is the fact that, just after Hoody/Woodsy and Tim flee the scene, Alex glances back behind him as well. It's obvious that he sees nothing, let alone Tall, Dark, and Eldritch.


Mr. Magpie, do you have a theory as to what the maskies were looking at and why they ran off? (I'm not bashing you or anything just curious.)

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 		*First awkward post.*

I'm inclined to believe it's TO in his "true form." I'm partial to the theory that he's attempting to "appear human", and is in his normal form behind them. If he even has one. I'm awful with speculation. Razz

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Selphy wrote:
*First awkward post.*

I'm inclined to believe it's TO in his "true form." I'm partial to the theory that he's attempting to "appear human", and is in his normal form behind them. If he even has one. I'm awful with speculation. Razz


Welcome!

Could you clarify what you mean by "true form" and "normal form"?

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Riovas wrote:
Mr. Magpie, do you have a theory as to what the maskies were looking at and why they ran off? (I'm not bashing you or anything just curious.)


Nope, and I'm not very good at speculating. However, the way they both look up simultaneously might point to them having been alerted by someone off-camera (the third Masky on the grassy knoll) that they were about to be interrupted or that for some other reason their time was up... although I don't particularly like the phrase 'their time was up', as that implies that they lured Alex all the way out to that particular spot in the woods only to have a few moments in which to threaten him.

To go against my own theory for a second, though, what's the one thing the Maskies should be able to count on when it comes to woods + Alex? The Operator making an appearance. It just bothers me that they would lure Alex out to a wooded area only to be frightened away by the Operator - they should have expected that he might be there since, out of anyone else in the series, they seem to understand the way the Operator 'operates' the best.

So, either it wasn't the Operator that was there, or the Maskies weren't 'spooked' at all, and there was something more going on behind their actions than we know.

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Mr_Magpie wrote:

So, either it wasn't the Operator that was there, or the Maskies weren't 'spooked' at all, and there was something more going on behind their actions than we know.


And that is what I keep thinking of.
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Mr_Magpie wrote:
So, either it wasn't the Operator that was there, or the Maskies weren't 'spooked' at all, and there was something more going on behind their actions than we know.


This is what I believe. First Post BTW! Very Happy But personally I think that Hoody and TiMasky didn't actually plan on killing Alex right there, but told him something in the silent time on the tape. Possibly that they will never stop following him. And that is what set him off at the end.

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 		Another observation:

Woodsy (The guy standing still as Alex walks into the wooded area) is standing perfectly still, calmly staring at Alex. Would some guy that had just been sprinting for a good few minutes (quite like 3 - 5 minutes) of hard running be able to stand there perfectly still?

Or was there a lure, a bait and then a tackle.

This could mean that the TTA trio would act like this:

- Hoody (I assume) LURES Alex to the woods.
- Woodsy acts as a bait, waiting for Alex to make a move.
- Hoody then tackles Alex from behind pinning him to the floor.
- Timasky makes his move.

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Boreamor wrote:
Another observation:

Woodsy (The guy standing still as Alex walks into the wooded area) is standing perfectly still, calmly staring at Alex. Would some guy that had just been sprinting for a good few minutes (quite like 3 - 5 minutes) of hard running be able to stand there perfectly still?

Or was there a lure, a bait and then a tackle.

This could mean that the TTA trio would act like this:

- Hoody (I assume) LURES Alex to the woods.
- Woodsy acts as a bait, waiting for Alex to make a move.
- Hoody then tackles Alex from behind pinning him to the floor.
- Timasky makes his move.


Until someone can explain to me how the same mask can appear black in night vision one moment then grey the next moment in what seems to be the exact same night vision setting, I am personally convinced that there were three TTA members in the woods that night, not two.

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Mr_Magpie wrote:
Boreamor wrote:
Another observation:

Woodsy (The guy standing still as Alex walks into the wooded area) is standing perfectly still, calmly staring at Alex. Would some guy that had just been sprinting for a good few minutes (quite like 3 - 5 minutes) of hard running be able to stand there perfectly still?

Or was there a lure, a bait and then a tackle.

This could mean that the TTA trio would act like this:

- Hoody (I assume) LURES Alex to the woods.
- Woodsy acts as a bait, waiting for Alex to make a move.
- Hoody then tackles Alex from behind pinning him to the floor.
- Timasky makes his move.


Until someone can explain to me how the same mask can appear black in night vision one moment then grey the next moment in what seems to be the exact same night vision setting, I am personally convinced that there were three TTA members in the woods that night, not two.


I hate to do this (being a supporter of the 3 masked people theory), but if there's already visible light present (like street lights) then those colors show up first. Also, the infrared light from most cameras has a very limited range, which is probably why more trees aren't visible in the distance at the end, when Alex is yelling prior to the distortion.

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DonMonte wrote:
Mr_Magpie wrote:
Boreamor wrote:
Another observation:

Woodsy (The guy standing still as Alex walks into the wooded area) is standing perfectly still, calmly staring at Alex. Would some guy that had just been sprinting for a good few minutes (quite like 3 - 5 minutes) of hard running be able to stand there perfectly still?

Or was there a lure, a bait and then a tackle.

This could mean that the TTA trio would act like this:

- Hoody (I assume) LURES Alex to the woods.
- Woodsy acts as a bait, waiting for Alex to make a move.
- Hoody then tackles Alex from behind pinning him to the floor.
- Timasky makes his move.


Until someone can explain to me how the same mask can appear black in night vision one moment then grey the next moment in what seems to be the exact same night vision setting, I am personally convinced that there were three TTA members in the woods that night, not two.


I hate to do this (being a supporter of the 3 masked people theory), but if there's already visible light present (like street lights) then those colors show up first. Also, the infrared light from most cameras has a very limited range, which is probably why more trees aren't visible in the distance at the end, when Alex is yelling prior to the distortion.


So the presence of light sources from the nearby houses and street lamps would allow us to see the black of the mask, but it would be obscured in a more low-light setting, like the middle of the woods? I have been trying to learn if this is so all day. Rolling Eyes

Edit: Even so, I still find that there is enough circumstantial evidence to support the 3-person theory. The even, heavy sound of the footsteps of the person barreling into Alex, the stillness of the figure that distracts Alex from said barreling, etc. Even if it turns out not to be true, it still has to be one of the least irritating conjectures that have ever been made on this forum.

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 		Was that sarcastic or not? If not, the light from the street lights and houses would make Night Vision mode unneeded. But when in the dark of the woods, Alex turned on the night vision, obscuring the colors of the mask.

Edit: Even while there is circumstantial evidence, there are perfectly legit explanations should Occams Razor come into play.

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Vzombie wrote:
Was that sarcastic or not? If not, the light from the street lights and houses would make Night Vision mode unneeded. But when in the dark of the woods, Alex turned on the night vision, obscuring the colors of the mask.


Except that @ 1:08 Alex obviously does turn on some sort of night vision setting.

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 		True, true. But ambient lighting from other sources could have messed with the picture.

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Boreamor wrote:
Another observation:

Woodsy (The guy standing still as Alex walks into the wooded area) is standing perfectly still, calmly staring at Alex. Would some guy that had just been sprinting for a good few minutes (quite like 3 - 5 minutes) of hard running be able to stand there perfectly still?

Or was there a lure, a bait and then a tackle.

This could mean that the TTA trio would act like this:

- Hoody (I assume) LURES Alex to the woods.
- Woodsy acts as a bait, waiting for Alex to make a move.
- Hoody then tackles Alex from behind pinning him to the floor.
- Timasky makes his move.


Alex did take his time walking through the forest. He even stops at the entry of the forest and the camera shuts off. Alex could have reasonably stop to catch his breath, while Hoody/Woodsy knew exactly where to be. It seems that Woodsy would be able to take a couple breaths before Alex shows up.

Plus, we don't know how long they have been running. At 1:32, Hoody/Woodsy slows down a bit and pretty much stops, as does Alex. Who knows if there might have been any other "checkpoints."

EDIT: this is not to disprove the three TTA theory, I am firm believer of this theory, but I think that the "lure" and "bait" were the same person. Only a third member had to tackle Alex if Tim was unable to.

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 		so no one likes the idea that instead of running away when The operator shows up, that they are actually setting up? as to go along with the idea that they lured Alex to the woods, to lure The operator out? Where-in a TTA response would be them attacking the operator, or something of this sort? since most seem to believe that the masks should be of the knowledge that Alex + woods = the operator.

they do seem to run out of fear tho..

or maybe incoming TTA response or new Jay footage shows dozens of masked ppl standing in the woods Cool like some sort of children of the corn army. lawls.

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