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HappyPhantom
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updabass wrote:
anyone come across this yet?
http://theinsightnetwork.12-42.com/06041600/#


That has been found and posted in the forum. How did you come across it? A while back, )+( (by proxy) sent me the link in a text and I was asked to not share it yet. I asked the person who posted it in a link on the forums how they found it in a PM but I haven't received a reply... I was just curious as if there was really anything to figure out... as I keep saying I am not good with puzzles.

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 		i saw it from a link on rateyourmusic.com here:

http://rateyourmusic.com/~fetalape this is how i was introduced to this thing (cause i went back and subtracted parts from the URL to work backward to what this was a part of)

EDIT: can i pm you to figure out what i'm doing

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 		sure, I sent you a PM

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 		is it over?
The forums and the clothes store website are now gone, along with the 12-42.org site..... I can't help but feel like I have missed something, but like Mrcontactcare told me,
Quote:
"It's not that your missing anything, you're trying to make something out of nothing. Nature abhors a vacuum"

It's been a long strange trip... thanks for the nudge, das Waisenhaus. I am hoping we can return to the forums but I don't expect you guys to keep paying for it all. Maybe the ad supported version will suffice?

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 		I sort of fell off of this, but it has always been super interesting and I'd love to learn about who created it it it truly is over.

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 		I messaged Metattron asking about the forum, the reply I got was that I seemed to be the only one showing any legitimate interest. I know a lot of you have been following and are very interested, so I replied that maybe I am just the most vocal about it. I get a lot of messages about 1242 so I know the interest is out there...
I'd be willing to pay to keep the forum open for another year... how much does it cost to keep one of these phpBB forums running anyway? There was a lot of good info there and I know a couple of us checked it daily, I would have liked to print some of the stuff there.

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 		The issue for me was that they kept opening up all of these different sites and puzzles and it just got REALLY difficult for me to keep up. It would've helped if there was some coherent story amisdt all the craziness. Like, when ContactCare uploads a new video, we don't really know what its purpose is.

The amount of diligence they had replying to damn near everybody was really impressive. All of the weird characters you had speaking to you and whatnot. If they directed that towards having us solving some kind of goal rather than speaking in endless riddles and questions and double meanings I might've stuck with it more.

I don't mean to sound harsh; this was a very intriguing project.

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 		guess it was only down temporarily... everything is back online now (yay)

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 		I was sent this via a forum private message. (The Clothes Store forum)

http://12-42.com/nāma-rūpa/

Just when I thought it was dead.

Is that 2 computers connecting to one another...? There's a ton of links here.

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 		Page 7 photo of watch
You have to excuse me if some already mentioned this in this thread but I couldn't find anything using the search button. I just got up to page 7 and saw where someone received this picture from Mr.ContactCare:

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj259/contactcare/23/_ruin_.jpg?t=1312268368

I knew that photo looked familiar and sure enough:

http://zodiackiller.com/BatesWatch2.html

It's a watch found at the murder scene of Cheri Jo Bates, a possible Zodiac Killer victim from 1966.

I have no idea what that means but maybe it helps? Rolling Eyes

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 		I posted about the watch a while back and on a whim tried switching the 42 for a 24 in some of the address bars... I came across a forum at 12-24.org that looked relevant, it was password protected and had a small pic of a masonic lodge on the sign in page... this site has since been taken down though.

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I checked the webpage posted at the top of page 39. All I saw was a badly designed marquee with the below text and a strange video-thinger that had a guy with his lower jaw completely ripped off.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
S:......When I see someone carrying a child and I give it some thought, all I can see is that it's a lot of suffering.

AF:......That's right. Give it a lot of thought. Once there's birth, there has to be suffering. We've all suffered in this way. First there's your own suffering, then you take on the

sufferings of others. Look at a baby. What is it? Where does it come from? Suffering; it comes from the power of craving and defilement. First you have to carry it around in your

womb, then when it's born you have to carry it around on your hip, and then when it starts to walk you have to lead it by the hand. When you see this sort of thing your heart just...

S:.......Withers.

AF:.......Yes. It withers. This is what gives you a sense of samvega. This is the sort of thing you want in your practice. It's your teacher. They call it your teacher. Ask yourself: "Is

this what you want out of life? Is this what you want, this sort of thing?" Not really. "Then if you don't want this sort of thing, don't get involved." How many times have you been

through this already? This isn't the first time, you know. You've been doing this holding-carrying-weighing-yourself-down routine for a long, long time — hundreds of thousands of

eons. If you keep getting involved, there's no way you'll get free.

Birth, aging, illness, and death: these things are normal. Birth is the normal way of things, aging's the normal way of things, illness and death are the normal way of things. Get so that

you can see clearly that this is the way things normally are. That's when a sense of disenchantment can arise. You'll be able to loosen the grip that these things have on you. You'll be

able to pull them out, root and all.

We've suffered as the slaves of defilement and craving for how long now? Can you remember? Ask yourself. Can you remember all you've been through? And how much longer

are you going to let it keep on happening — this holding and carrying and weighing yourself down? How many eons have you been doing this? Tens of thousands, hundreds of

thousands of eons. Can you count them all? Of course you can't. And how much longer will you have to keep on suffering in this way? If you're still stubborn, still unwilling to learn,

this is the kind of reward you'll have to expect out of life. Do you want it? Do you like it? If you don't want it, then you'll have to develop the goodness of your mind so that you can see

your way out of this, so that you can see your defilements, so that you can see the suffering and harm they cause.

Look at suffering. Look at the rewards of suffering. When people feel that we don't have much suffering, they find more suffering for us. Even just the five aggregates provide us with

more than enough suffering — the suffering we have just on our own. So when they talk about the happiness of taking on another person, exactly what happiness is there? Nothing

but more suffering. "Treasures" that bring you suffering. Our parents want us to get married, to have a spouse and a family. They've had plenty of suffering raising us, and yet it's not

enough. How many children has your mother carried around in her womb? And now she's looking for more suffering for her children.

S:.......Is it true what they say, that a woman gains of lot of merit in having a child, in that she gives someone else the chance to be born?

AF:.......If that were true, then dogs would get gobs of merit, giving birth to whole litters at a time. No, that's just propaganda from those who want to see more and more beings getting

born in this world.

S:.......When people want to get married, it's because they have a lot of bad karma with each other. Isn't that right?

AF:....... Of course that's right. Just look at what they're doing. There's no need to explain. It's nothing but imposing on each other, causing each other affliction and pain. There's no

real happiness there; nothing but suffering. Getting married is no way to escape suffering. Actually, all you do is pile more suffering on yourself. The five aggregates are a heavy

burden, but if you get married, all of a sudden you have ten to worry about, and then fifteen, and then twenty. And that's not the end of the matter. As soon as a child is born, it comes

down with this, then comes down with that. It's not the case that from the moment it pops out it doesn't need to take medicine, that we can just leave it alone and it'll grow day and

night.

Oh, all the things you have to do for it until it's grown! It starts out so small and can only lie there. Then think of what it needs until it can sit up, and then what it needs until it can stand,

and then what it needs until it can walk. When was it ever an easy thing, raising a child? And that's not all. As soon as you want to lie down for a little rest, it cries. You lie down for

a little bit and it cries. There's nothing wonderful about it at all.

When people pressure you to get married and have children, it's like someone who walks along and steps in a pile of excrement and then tries to figure out how to get other people to

step in it, too, to make up for his own mistake. Yes, it's karma that makes people want to get married. Karma is what obscures their vision. They can't see that what they want is a

form of suffering. To them it's something wonderful — because that's the best they know. The best they have. They don't know anything better than that.

When your parents want you to get married, it's because that's all they know. Get them to meditate, and then they'll realize: "Oh! What we've been through is suffering!" To see this sort

of thing, though, you have to meditate. If you don't meditate, you won't see. If you don't meditate, you'll have to see things the way they do. Even when you do meditate, you still see

things the way they do. It's not easy to pull yourself out of that way of thinking. It's not easy at all. If the power of this defilement won't surrender... Only when your views are straight and

you really let go: only then will you be done with the matter.

Even the devas in heaven: they're still satisfied with their sights, sounds, smells, tastes, and tactile sensations. They're still satisfied with what they've got. They're infatuated with the

way they look and sound and smell, infatuated with their companions. They're tied down to sensuality, hand and foot, which is why it disturbs them when we meditate. They're afraid

we'll get away. They're determined not to let it happen. When we meditate and our minds grow still, they come and attack, stirring us up so that we start turning back in our tracks, so

that we don't see the right path to release from suffering. This is called karma that keeps us in the round of samsara, the karma we do that makes us fall in line with everyone else, so

that we don't see the path to release from suffering. All we can see is the path to staying stuck, staying stuck in suffering.

S:.......In that case, then, when you think you've found your mate, you've really found someone who holds some of your old karma debts.

AF:....... What else did you think? It's like horseshoe crabs. Have you ever seen them? They live in the sea. Even they have their mates. Everywhere they go, they go in pairs.
The male doesn't know how to feed itself, so it rides on the back of the female.

S: So how can we escape this? We can avoid this, can't we, , if we really want to?

AF:.......If you don't want this sort of thing, then don't let any horseshoe crabs catch hold of you. After all, it's just an animal instinct. Animals have to mate in order to spread their

species, their influence. But if we don't want to have a part in that, we just don't get involved. Your mate can demand repayment on your old karma debts only if you get involved.

S: Can you really escape?

AF:.......Why shouldn't you be able to escape? Just don't get involved, don't get attached. Try to keep your mind strong and don't waver. Develop your perfections so that they're

greater and greater, and these other desires will just wither away. They're really shallow, you know, and nothing but suffering. They come about because we're attracted to our own

bodies, but when you get an image of yourself in meditation, just take it apart. Take it apart, and then what's left? Anything? Nothing at all. It's all in the form. When you take the

form apart, there's nothing left. And what substance is there in the form? Look at it. Take it apart. There's nothing but earth, water, wind, and fire. Is there anything to be attracted

to then?

S:....... No, nothing.

AF:....... And when you're sound asleep. Does the body know anything of desire?

S:.......No, not at all.

AF:....... The mind is the instigator. The body on its own doesn't have anything to do. It simply acts under the orders of its boss: the mind. The body doesn't know a thing. It depends

on the boss' orders. So when the boss says, "Enough! No more!" then that's the end of the matter. The mind doesn't struggle or thirst. What struggles and thirsts is the aggregate

of fabrication (sankhara). If you latch on to fabrication, that's the essence of suffering — big-time suffering. If you look at the body, you'll see that there really are no issues there. The

issues all come from fabrication. If the mind can break through and understand this attachment to the body, then where else will desire come from?

The body isn't really ours. Wherever you see anything that's "yours," uproot it, take it apart, and let it go. Take it apart: the earth, the water, the wind, the fire. That's all there's been to

it, all along, since who knows when. That's all there is to it now. The problem is that we've been deluded about it and so we've latched onto it. We've been deluded just like everyone

else. Deep down, doesn't the mind already know this? Of course it knows, for that's the nature of the mind: to know. We have to know..............So bring this knowledge in and take it

to heart.........You have
to be your own refuge, you know.

If you're the sort that has to take refuge in other people, then you'll have to see things the same way they do, which means you have to be stupid the same way they are. So pull

yourself out of all that and take a good look at yourself until things are clear within you. Keep contemplating things until there's just the "knower" inside. This knower isn't paired with

anything else. It doesn't have a mate. It's single. It's one. It doesn't have anything. So focus in on the knower and make it one. Get so that it lets go of everything. It lets go of

pleasure, lets go of pain, lets go of equanimity. It's bright, all on its own. Keep focused there until there's nothing left but a state of oneness. Then ask yourself: is it male or female?

There's no "male" or "female" in there at all. It doesn't place labels on anything. And when you've gotten there, that's the end of those issues.

Those who get stuck on mental phenomena are called Brahmas. Once they reach this point in their practice...... The devas in their heavens still have their mates, but the Brahmas

have no interest in sights, smells, sounds, tastes, tactile sensations. They're content in their oneness...


For someone just getting on it I have to ask... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!?!

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FossilizedSauce wrote:

http://12-42.com/nāma-rūpa/
Is that 2 computers connecting to one another...? There's a ton of links here.


these computer pages have been up for a while.... Daath made a site map for them when they were first posted, and as far as I can tell nothing about them has been changed or added. Not sure why we are being redirected to it again, there could be something there who knows....

they all lead to dead links or back to the beginning... or so it seems.

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Akiva wrote:

For someone just getting on it I have to ask... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!?!


I was told that this was a lesson in concentration.

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HappyPhantom wrote:
Akiva wrote:

For someone just getting on it I have to ask... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!?!


I was told that this was a lesson in concentration.


Concentration? I think the imagery is just a bit... overboard. That was just too reminiscient of what I saw in Iraq...

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