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ddl
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 		F.F.E.Y.-T. Venice
When the sun stands still, the second chapter begins
Good evening.

On June 6, the anniversary of D-Day, Forest Frederick Edward Yeo-Thomas made contact with us once again. Forest, a.k.a. Shelley and The White Rabbit, sent out a call for help through his twitter account (@WhiteRabbitYT) along with an image which was quickly decoded from hexadecimal to Italian and finally English-

We will start when the sun stands still. Father we need smarter friends to help us. Please do spread the word.

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solstice
Wiki wrote:
A solstice is an astronomical event ... at the solstices, the Sun stands still in declination


On the Solstice, Forest gave us a blank ticket and told us to look for three letters. The letters were A-R-G and corresponded to the Arisaig Railroad Station which took him to Glasgow and from there London. In London, Forest caught a flight to Venice, where he currently resides.

And then he gave us the first verse.
Percy Shelley wrote:
came a voice from over the Sea,
And with great power it forth led me
To walk in the visions of Poesy

http://www.artofeurope.com/shelley/she5.htm

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The original thread is located here:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31596

A summary of events of the first chapter, The Cooler, are posted here:

http://yeothomas.wikibruce.com/The_Cooler

Forest's flickr account is here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiterabbit2011/

Forest's Twitter:

http://twitter.com/#!/WhiteRabbitYT

Forest can be e-mailed at this address:

forestfredericedwardyeothomasSPLATyahoo.co.uk

And with all that out of the way- the first verse. Any ideas on the connection to the date?

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6013/5870844975_2f5071bd49_z.jpg

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:49 pm
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 		On the poem/date:
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From wiki: "On 26 June 1814, Mary Godwin declared her love for Percy at Mary Wollstonecraft's (her mother, who died when she was 11 days old) graveside in the cemetery of St Pancras Old Church"

There are ties with the Peterloo incident as the article claims Wollstonecraft was an advocate of women's rights and married the philosopher William Godwin, one of the forefathers of the anarchist movement. The march/rally in Manchester that turned violent was populated by reformists, anarchists and suffragette types.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Wollstonecraft


That's as far as I have got at the moment...

Messaged Shelley but no answer so far. Not sure if the radio silence means it's the wrong interpretation or he is just busy sampling the delights of Venice.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:21 am
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 		I have received a reply from an email I sent Shelley/Forest.

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THE REPLY:
Sur*ly you und*rstand th* purpos* of r*ading back on your work as w*ll? Not just for *rrors but for validation?
You ar* almost th*r* but lack a play in words...

For*st.

MY EMAIL:
From: string
To: <forestfredericedwardyeothomas>
Sent: Wed, 29 June, 2011 12:37:01
Subject: Venice...

Forest,

The puzzle translates into part of the first stanza of a poem called The Mask of Anarchy by Percy Bysshe Shelley. He wrote the poem in 1819 after hearing about the incident at "Peterloo" in Manchester where mounted dragoons was sent into a large crowd of reformist protesters culminating in the deaths of 11 people and many more injured. It was however not published until 1832 after the Reform Bill was passed as the publisher, Leigh Hunt, did not wish to end up in prison (again) for distributing libellous or inflammatory words. Shelley drowned in 1822.

The date the puzzle was posted up, the 26th June, was the date that Mary Godwin declared her love for Percy. It is claimed she made her intent known whilst visiting her mother's grave. Her mother, Mary Wollstonecraft died of septicaemia 11 days after giving birth to her daughter.

The meaning of the day? Declarations of love, anarchy, social reform, governmental repression, artists and politics...

I trust you are finding Venice illuminating.

-string-



In hindsight I did send off the email without giving it too much thought. I was busy and just wanted something sent off. Lazy!

Any thoughts? I'll be pondering this one today.


EDIT: I also see there are too new images up on flickr and accompanying tweets... *thinking hat on*

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 		I found out the restaurant Shelley was at.

http://www.hotelcapri.net/en/casanovas-exquisite-fragrance

Edit: Hey so that "lovely lady" Forest mentioned. I looked at the tweet closer.

It reads A. Love-ly. My first thought was Alexander Love, but he's a dead guy so...

Fits in with the "Call A.L. for a good time!" image though. The number underneath is a phone number. +39 041 appears to be Venice's area code.
Currently make a few attempts with female variations of the name Alexander Love...

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 		Quick thoughts:

The phone number seems to have 1 digit too many to make it a real local Venice number.

The numbers 8-3-2-3 seem to be significant but I don't know why. They don't seem to translate into a word via the letters on a phone keypad. Search engine isn't throwing up anything I can see.
A.L. has me stumped. I keep thinking what the old Scottish miner (Alexander Love) would have thought if he could have visited Venice!

The hotel Carlton Capri/Cupola restaurant... hmm. It's near the University of Architecture... relates to one of the meanings of cupola? (In architecture, a cupola is a small, most-often dome-like, structure on top of a building. Often used to provide a lookout or to admit light and air)
The hotel itself was built in 1900 so has no links to any of the characters we have so far seen, I think.


EDIT:
I have sent Shelley another email with regards to the cipher. Time will tell if I have interpreted the words correctly.

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 		Maybe the "A. Love.ly" refers to
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Augusta Leigh, half sister of Byron with whom he seems to have had an incestuous affair. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusta_Leigh Not sure how to relate it to everything else tho.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:23 am
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 		Okay, a reply from Forest, although I'm not quite sure what it means...

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-original message-
Subject: Re: Hidd*n in plain sight, in a mask
From: 5tr1ng
Date: 03/07/2011 11:16

Dear Forest,

Hmm,

The part of the poem that was ciphered relates to Shelley hearing the news about Peterloo and being inspired to write poetry about the incident. "Shelley was in Leghorn when he heard of the Peterloo Massacre, 'and the torrent of my indignation has not yet done boiling in my veins', as he told Charles Ollier on 5th September 1819." (-Romanticism by Duncan Wu)

Is the meaning of the day inspiration from hardship? Mary Godwin visiting often her Mother's grave, taking inspiration from her work as an advocate of women's rights and social reform. A mother she never knew as she died shortly after giving birth to Mary. Using the hardship of losing her Mother as inspiration for study, reading and declaring her love for Percy.

Percy Shelly was inspired to create The Mask of Anarchy following the suffering of the people of Manchester.

-string-


5tr1ng,
Having r*ad your messag*, we r*alise possibly why Fath*r's messag* was layered so. Make us* of the other lett*ers now. Sometimes we have to go back to go forward...

Forest



I like your A L idea pia ward...

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Quote:
Cas·a·no·va (ks-nv, kz-)
n.
1. A man who is amorously and gallantly attentive to women.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Casanova

This would tie the CASANOVA'S EXQUISITE FRAGRANCE – TASTING PACKAGE
to Percy Shelley. A Casanova Complex.

The name comes from this guy-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Casanova
Who also stayed in Venice for a time.

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 		Wow that Casanova was quite a guy.

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The image in the eye of the "Call A.L." mask looks to possibly be the Piazza San Marco. The domed building could be the Salute. I don't posses the software to extract the image form the eye and Tin eye it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_San_Marco
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Maria_della_Salute

Also the Carnevale di Venezia is where the masks are worn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_of_Venice
EDIT: Info on the history of the Venitian Mask
http://touritaly.org/tours/venice/venice07.htm



EDIT: The phone number is coded to call from the UK, not sure how this is relevant. Tried ringing it but it's 'number not recognised'.

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 		And we have another quote. Shakespeare this time, Midsummer's Night.

Quote:
That's all one: you shall play it in a mask, and you may speak as small as you will.
An I may hide my face


Found it with some hinting from Forest. I reversed the text of the first verse image, and deleted every other letter again. The results are the above.

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 		Ada Lovelace?

Been thinking about hackers lately.

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 		So what do we have?

Casanova Menu
Hotel Carlton Capri
Restaurant Cupola
Venetian masks - Carnevale
A fake Venice phone number with(7)-8-3-2-3 seemingly picked out.
A few lines of The Mask of Anarchy by P.B. Shelley
A few lines from A Midsummer Night's Dream re: Thisby
Hints from Forest on twitter and flickr...
Byron swimming in the Grand Canal of Venice
The Doge's Palace

I tweeted Forest with a line from a Byron piece called Childe Harold's Pilgrimage which talks about the Doge's Palace:
5tr1ng
@WhiteRabbitYT @DistilledWill @DarkenendDL "I loved her from my boyhood; she to me Was as a fairy city of the heart"


WhiteRabbitYT Forest Yeo-Thomas
@5tr1ng Hey Presto, someone uses google w*ll...but, for now,look beyond the immediat* and s**k the grounds - look for something VERY similar


So intriguing ... Forest urging us to go deeper, behind the mask "as it were". Is there some code that the pictures are made up of that can be viewed? I'mnot too good with technical stuff like that.
EDIT: I just noticed the tag for the menu picture is "Chameleons". Can teh picture be pulled apart at all? I'm on a dinosaur of a linux PC and can't do it.

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No - which is why we are in Venice - we have come for the next stage in our development - we seek an artisan...

Masks are one thing - but they hide too much - and reveal too little.
Have you found the words of the poets yet from the titles of the images?
They will reveal more in their words than we can in ours...

Forest.

From: "piaward
To: forestfredericedwardyeothomas
Sent: Sun, 10 July, 2011 5:21:30
Subject: masks

Hi Forest,

Father seems to have fixed your ability to communicate more easily. Was he able to fix your face so that it no longer frightens others? Or
is that perhaps why you are in Venice now?

[20:09] <FFEYT> Our face is our face. It neither comfrts nrfrightens us. It
scares others though -
which is why we only leave on days of darkness and dismal weather.

Pia


EDIT
Here is one of them
http://www.litscape.com/author/Percy_Bysshe_Shelley/An_Exhortation.html

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John Keats wrote:
Of the wide world I stand alone and think, of Love and Fame to nothingness do sink


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Keats

Wiki wrote:
The poetry of Keats is characterized by sensual imagery


Forest wrote:
some sensuality


Smile

Oh btw Doge's Palace led me to this-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_of_Sighs

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pia ward wrote:


EDIT
Here is one of them
http://www.litscape.com/author/Percy_Bysshe_Shelley/An_Exhortation.html


Bingo!



I've found a possibility?:

Quote:
WhiteRabbit2011 (5 days ago | reply)

and with such told us of actors arguing for the part of she who falls on her sword. Ah Love - always back to Love and death.

Ah, Love, But a Day by Robert Browning
(1812-1889)
http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/rbrowning/bl-rbrown-ahlove.htm

"He became a great admirer of the Romantic poets, especially Shelley."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Browning


EDIT: Unrelated but interesting Byron fact:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-14059723


EDIT#2:
ddl wrote:
John Keats wrote:
Of the wide world I stand alone and think, of Love and Fame to nothingness do sink


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Keats




From the Keats wiki link:

"In the letters, Keats coined ideas such as the Mansion of Many Apartments and the Chameleon Poet, concepts that came to gain common currency and capture the public imagination, despite only making single appearances as phrases in his correspondence."

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