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 		But Rando, if they accept the clear facts, then that means they have to admit they are wrong and shut the fuck up.
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 		Alright, here's the video even though I really wish I had more time to experiment with the lighting. This is more a demonstration of directional light affecting the ties, as well as natural vs. artificial light - both of these things have influenced the appearance of the Operator throughout the entries. Had I more time before it fell dark outside I would get further shots for further demonstration.

And yes, I'm dramatic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skjefKXC_Gw
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Riovas wrote:
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You are quite incorrect and as someone who knows a wee bit more than you on the actual properties of visible light and materials sciences, I can ASSURE you, what you are talking about is a real phenomenon


If you have ever read a sentence of a materials book, you will know materials change in color based on phase and radiation i.e. light waves.

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Not sure if you're paying attention...I'm saying the tie needs to be color corrected to be consistent with the suit and previous appearances, if in fact the color difference is not intentional.


WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT COLOR CHANGES WITH LIGHT!!! ITS NATURAL. THERE IS NO NEED TO EDIT NATURAL, PHYSICAL OCCURRENCES

I proclaim we end this tie madness by ignoring it and move on. If, by chance in another entry that slendy's tie is CLEARLY visible as a different color for more than a half-second and is not blurry, we can bring this up again.


Which is why no one color corrects their movies! =D Of course you shouldn't fix a mistake that can lead to speculation for take a viewer out of the moment or ruin their suspension of disbelief! Just leave it in there, no worries! It's just nature!

I love how this just boils down to "Yes, the tie is a different color in a couple shots, BUT IT IS OF NO CONSEQUENCE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. FOR ANYONE. EVER. NOT EVEN FOR THE CREATORS TO REMEDY LEST THEY RISK CONFUSION. ALSO WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH EASTASIA. LET'S NOT EVEN SPECULATE ABOUT IT OR ENTERTAIN THE NOTION, KTHXBAI."

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Randoman96 wrote:
Unnecessary antagonism.

You know, it's not even that you guys disagree. I don't care about that. Think the tie is red all you want.

It's the fact that YOU THINK YOU ARE RIGHT AND ARE ALMOST COMPLETELY DISREGARDING FACTS FROM PEOPLE WITH MORE EXPERIENCE THAN YOU. Except for maybe pravado, I've never seen more closed-minded people on this forum.


I personally don't assume that I'm right, merely that a red tie is a possibly purposeful inclusion, and that I am interested in exploring the idea of two Operators. You seem intent on declaring, unequivocally, that this is not true due to your experience with the color-changing properties of fabric and lighting. Speak carefully when it comes to declaring who is close-minded in this conversation.

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Malachite wrote:
Which is why no one color corrects their movies! =D


You don't color correct found footage or you lose the effect.
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Xicon wrote:
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Which is why no one color corrects their movies! =D


You don't color correct found footage or you lose the effect.


You could easily color correct the tie and the tie alone. You also don't snip Spongebob out of found footage, either, otherwi--

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Malachite wrote:
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Which is why no one color corrects their movies! =D


You don't color correct found footage or you lose the effect.


You could easily color correct the tie and the tie alone. You also don't snip Spongebob out of found footage, either, otherwi--


I don't think you know how color correction works.
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 		Lets just pretend there are two ties for sec, here folks...
I have an idea.
There is 1 Operator.
But 2 ties.
Think of him like "Two-Face" from Batman.
His black tie is for "evil"
His red tie is for "good" or "protection" He was probably protecting Jay from TTA in "Return" and Alex in 46 from Jay.

Why was he protecting Jay in "Return" and not 46?
Simple, Jay did something during the 7 months before 46 that harmed Alex now, The Operator considers Jay an enemy unlike in "Return" where Alex probably told The Operator "Jay is my friend, don't harm him" or something like that.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
On a completely different note, I hate the people on Youtube that are all "HERP DERP 'toheark' means TO THE ALEX R. KRAILE!11!1" His middle name doesn't start with an "R" nor is it a Middle Initial. Troseph have stated this already


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Xicon wrote:
Malachite wrote:
Xicon wrote:
Malachite wrote:
Which is why no one color corrects their movies! =D


You don't color correct found footage or you lose the effect.


You could easily color correct the tie and the tie alone. You also don't snip Spongebob out of found footage, either, otherwi--


I don't think you know how color correction works.


http://layersmagazine.com/digital-video-solutions-object-specific-color-correction.html

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Lets just pretend there are two ties for sec, here folks...
I have an idea.
There is 1 Operator.
But 2 ties.
Think of him like "Two-Face" from Batman.
His black tie is for "evil"
His red tie is for "good" or "protection" He was probably protecting Jay from TTA in "Return" and Alex in 46 from Jay.

Why was he protecting Jay in "Return" and not 46?
Simple, Jay did something during the 7 months before 46 that harmed Alex now, The Operator considers Jay an enemy unlike in "Return" where Alex probably told The Operator "Jay is my friend, don't harm him" or something like that.


I'm still not 100% a fan of the 1 Operator, Two Ties theory, as I find a color-changing tie to be kind of a silly indicator. I'm not even sure how thrilled I am about in the 2 Operators, 2 Ties theory, but the latter makes more sense to me.

Either way, I'm also a proponent of the Benevolent Slender Man, especially after the Maskies tried to do Alex in.

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Malachite wrote:


Which is why no one color corrects their movies! =D Of course you shouldn't fix a mistake that can lead to speculation for take a viewer out of the moment or ruin their suspension of disbelief! Just leave it in there, no worries! It's just nature!



Considering this is to reflect "alternate reality," they are only editing in the paranormal effects, not so much as to make it seem like a hollywood production. Even in modern films or tv shows you can see slight change in color of fabrics. This is mostly done with lower budget productions, since hollywood has perfected what materials are needed under certain conditions (ill look for examples of color changing later if you want some proof.)

If you want to believe that there are multiple ties then fine but you better be ready to bring an explanation as to why and what significance does it have. Like you said, we like to over-analyze everything since everything must have importance

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Malachite wrote:
Xicon wrote:
Malachite wrote:
Xicon wrote:
Malachite wrote:
Which is why no one color corrects their movies! =D


You don't color correct found footage or you lose the effect.


You could easily color correct the tie and the tie alone. You also don't snip Spongebob out of found footage, either, otherwi--


I don't think you know how color correction works.


http://layersmagazine.com/digital-video-solutions-object-specific-color-correction.html



I applaud your Google skills, and would like to point out that using masks is different from color correction, and further that masking is very, very tedious especially when you have Operator distortion and quick movement to be concerned with. It would be far more trouble than it is worth for Troy to edit all of that in for a simple, rarely-more-than-a-second shot of the Operator's tie just to dissuade inane theories.
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Riovas wrote:
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Which is why no one color corrects their movies! =D Of course you shouldn't fix a mistake that can lead to speculation for take a viewer out of the moment or ruin their suspension of disbelief! Just leave it in there, no worries! It's just nature!



Considering this is to reflect "alternate reality," they are only editing in the paranormal effects, not so much as to make it seem like a hollywood production. Even in modern films or tv shows you can see slight change in color of fabrics. This is mostly done with lower budget productions, since hollywood has perfected what materials are needed under certain conditions (ill look for examples of color changing later if you want some proof.)

If you want to believe that there are multiple ties then fine but you better be ready to bring an explanation as to why and what significance does it have. Like you said, we like to over-analyze everything since everything must have importance


As I mentioned just a bit ago, you can easily just fix the tie in post. I'm more than aware that it wouldn't make any sense for them to make it look like a Hollywood production; give me that much credit.

As for an explanation, I think it's probably the most obvious (but also least conspicuous) way to differentiate between two identical creatures of Slender Man's particular configuration. Most people won't be looking at the tie, as they'll be busy staring at the horrifying blankness of his face and trying not to piss themselves at the same time.

As for why multiple Operators? I'm kind of wondering if it's almost like a Yeti: just one of a species, or perhaps even just a pair of them, isolated on this planet or in this region or in this dimension (or any mix of the three). One is antagonistic, and one is benevolent. Perhaps the Maskies are on the side of the antagonistic one, and Alex has allied with the one Jay found in the forest. Maybe Alex has been trying to break the news of this alliance to Jay but doesn't quite know how. Either way, the Maskies are definitely opposed to Alex, and even if there's only one Operator, I think it might not be as evil as imagined.

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 		THIS IS WHY THE OPERATOR CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.



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Seraphim wrote:
THIS IS WHY THE OPERATOR CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.



This is the most amazing thing ever.

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Malachite wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
THIS IS WHY THE OPERATOR CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.



This is the most amazing thing ever.


You just won so many internets..

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 		Sorry for the massive quote-dump and responses, but I wanted to make sure I read the entire thread before posting. As a side note, I think that a lot of good ideas and theories are being overlooked due to this ridiculous tie debate. You all make Panda sad. Now, on with the commenting!

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"I KNOW YOU'RE THERE"

Why did they (it/he/she/whatever) feel the need to say that?
Actually, with the 0's and all, could they be talking to The Operator?

[shit load of zeros]I KNOW YOU'RE THERE = OPERATOR, I KNOW YOU'RE THERE (?)

I don't know... just my thoughts at the moment.


Actually, my thought on the message "I know you're there" buried beneath all those zeros translated, in my twisted little mind, to mean literally, I know you're there, behind The Operator, (as in, TTA knows who is behind the creation/appearance and existence of the Operator).

slendywasphone wrote:
Hoody's/woodsy's position from Entry #45?

(Included photo that pointed out Hoody's position and circled and labeled what could be Alex's hand, seen on page 10)


What if that's actually the view from the other side of Alex in #45, (closest to his feet, opposite Woodsy)?


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Just a quick note, I'm not even sure of the validity of this idea, but since all the letters were backwards (SNIWTEHT = THETWINS), what if the messages were meant to be read backwards?

I SAW IT
WHAT HE DID
DO YOU KNOW
THE TWINS

May not be of significance, just food for thought.


Actually, this makes a lot of sense.

"I saw it. What he did." <nothing> "Do you know the twins?" <nothing> "I know you're there."

A bit conversational for TTA, but it does make a good deal of sense.


Queserasera wrote:
[][] backwards is ][][
looks WAY more like the gemini symbol.


Both of the above ideas make complete sense, since nearly everything else pertaining to the video was reversed. Good eye on the Gemini symbol Queserasera!

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"did you see what he did to the twins"

It's

-I KNOW YOU'RE THERE
-THE TWINS
-DO YOU KNOW WHAT HE DID
-I SAW IT

That said, for some reason, reading that, I can't stop thinking about the line from Death Note. "L, do you know - gods of death - love apples".


Can I just say I love you for the DN reference? L is my hero.

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Well, I honestly don't know what to think the 'Twins' are at this point. A lot of valid ideas have been brought up--object, person, Two Operators, physical twin people, and metaphor--but I don't think I've seen the headlight-eyes mentioned as the twins yet?

That was what I originally thought it might be referring to.

TTA seems to reiterate the ida of 'sight' quite often: I See You, Did you see that, etc. It's one of the constant fixations that link the entries, and I'm quite sure it has more to do with the Operator's lack of physical eyes and it's connection to being recorded than we yet know.

So when TTA is referring to 'the twins' and again reusing the imagery of the headlight-eyes, I thought he might be talking about vision in some way?


Good theory, I like it. TTA does seem fixated on sight and eyes. This is mainly tongue in cheek on my part, but I would be amused if TTA had possession of The Operator's eyes and all this stalking on his part was just to get them back, (guys, I'm not serious, but I do think that Libris has a wonderful idea here).

Also, @CraicIsMighty (in response to the photo comparison of Alex's eye from Entry #14 and the eye from the end of TTA's Classified on page 27) - good catch! I can see the resemblance and I'm on board with the idea that it's Alex's eye we're seeing.

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