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Character Speculation: Tim
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Rawkz0rz
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 		Character Speculation: Tim
Okay, so, Tim is obviously quite integral to the plot now, and I think there's a lot to be said about him. A lot of what I'm going to say was posted in entry 35's thread, but I think it's unrelated enough to deserve it's own topic. Also, if a thread like this was made already, please direct me to it, and I'll start posting there. I couldn't find a thread on my own.

So, Tim is masky, or at least one of the possible "masky's". This could mean that Tim = TTA. This would mean that Tim has been a key player, and quite involved with this whole thing long before J had Alex's tapes in his possession. This is using "Exit" as a reference. Those events occur long before most of the key moments in the series, and there's Tim filming J quite suspiciously.

Now, if we take this further and say that TTA has a connection to the Operator, it can be assumed that Tim's been in contact with the Operator longer than anyone. Around the time that Entry #13 and Exit were filmed Alex seems pretty okay. He doesn't freak out on J for forgetting the batteries, nor is he wary about going off on his own into the forest. It's definitely before the events in Entry #9 occur, going off his personality. I think it's safe to say this was relatively early on in Alex's exposure to the Operator. If Tim has been affected to the point him stalking other people connected to the film, then that could be a sign that his symptoms are worse than anyones at that point. Not to mention the cheerful, perky Alex we see next to the ill, deteriorating Tim in Entry #20. More severe symptoms indicate longer exposure.

This, too, can explain why he is the way he is presently, with the mask and all. Perhaps he's an example of what happens when the Operator has gotten whatever it is he wants from you.

Now, assuming all the above is true, then this raises a few more questions. Specifically, to what degree can Tim control the surfacing of his symptoms? During his interview in Entry #15, which does occur many many months after Entry #13 and Exit, he's quite normal. Despite what could be interpreted as nervous ticks, he's coherent, personable, cognitive, and, going off of the impressions given by his vocals, relatively calm. The most upset he gets is mildly irritated at how long it's taking. Assuming that everyone's symptoms are somewhat the same, by this time, he should be totally paranoid, hot-headed, and probably wouldn't even of responded to the request to come out in the first place. Not to mention how ill he appears to be in Entry #20. What happened to that cough of his? What about the persistent feeling of being cold he mentioned? He's got short sleeves and seems quite comfortable.

This is, in my opinion, a good basis for a split personality theory.

I'm not saying any of this is true, and I'm not sure what the answers are at this point, but I just want to make known some possibilities and questions that we should keep in mind at this point. Perhaps we should take our focus off of Alex, and throw it on Tim and what he's been up to.

Maybe he is the Ark

So what ideas do you guys have about him?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:57 am
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Salty
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 		The order that people get symptoms in season 1 has always been perplexing to me. If we're to believe that Alex progressively gets worse as the filming of Marble Hornets went on (as is commonly accepted) then it's apparent that Tim is irritable and sickly in June, before Alex is showing any symptoms at all (going by whichever entry shows Tim taking those pills and Alex and Jay revising the script) and then, Alex is the one who is irritable and paranoid while Tim's cough and coldness are gone, as you mentioned.

I guess what this points to is that Tim was involved with the Operator before Alex was. Could Tim have been the cause of the whole thing? I mean, the most popular theories so far have been that Alex or somebody caught Slendy on camera or something like that and that's what caused it, but maybe not.

I'm not even sure what I'm trying to say here.

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Salty wrote:
The order that people get symptoms in season 1 has always been perplexing to me. If we're to believe that Alex progressively gets worse as the filming of Marble Hornets went on (as is commonly accepted) then it's apparent that Tim is irritable and sickly in June, before Alex is showing any symptoms at all (going by whichever entry shows Tim taking those pills and Alex and Jay revising the script) and then, Alex is the one who is irritable and paranoid while Tim's cough and coldness are gone, as you mentioned.

I guess what this points to is that Tim was involved with the Operator before Alex was. Could Tim have been the cause of the whole thing? I mean, the most popular theories so far have been that Alex or somebody caught Slendy on camera or something like that and that's what caused it, but maybe not.

I'm not even sure what I'm trying to say here.


I understand what you're saying, and it's actually quite an interesting thought. Maybe Tim was the one who brought the whole thing down on their heads. We know that Tim had some access to the tapes, as seen in some of the TTA videos (this is assuming, once again, that TTA is Tim), and if we go with the theory that the tapes somehow have something to do with the Operator's actions, then it's possible that Tim was using the tapes in a way that could have invoked the Operator, and screwed everyone else who was on the tapes over in the process.

apologies for the run-on sentence.

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 		It's also possible that Tim and Alex were teamed up at some point. The writing seen on the drawings taken from the house are uncannily similar to the ones alex is drawing compulsively in Entry #8. However the only one we see in the house is Tim. Maybe they both were using it. If they were the first two to come down with "Slendy Sickness", it would make sense for them to stick together.

This could also explain the rivalry between the two. In my opinion, Tim seems directly violent against Alex in 35, and Alex's intentions towards Tim are quite clear as well. Maybe one betrayed the other? I'm thinking Tim betrayed Alex at this point. It seems like Alex is the one who's pissed, and Tim's actions are out of fear, like he knows Alex has some kind of ill-willed plans for him.

If they were a team for some time it would change the game up quite a bit...

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 		I'm against Tim and Alex having teamed up, but it raises an interesting notion. Maybe Tim taught Alex all his tricks for dealing with The Operator. But, like I said, I don't think they would have teamed up. From the videos Tim doesn't really like Alex, he's always cordial towards him, but his tone and word choices are always digs at Alex. If they did team up, then Tim probably used him, and that's why Alex is so ready to kill Tim. Also, the TTA videos really push being alone onto Jay. I doubt someone who's such a proponent for being a loner would team up with someone.

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 		shouldn't someone take down the speculation about alex filming J in the exit video? we saw what alex did while J went to his car, it was obv TTA
EDIT:i'm talking about on the wiki page

but yeah, since the last video i've been a lot more open to the possibility that TTA/Tim isn't as malevolent of a character as i was originally led to believe

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 		A thing I feel should be brought up is the jacket Tim/Masky wears. The only time we see him wear it without the mask is in Entry 20, when he is apparently suffering of severe exposure to The Operator. In every appearance Masky makes(18,19,23,####,33,35) he is wearing the same jacket. Seeing as how some entries take place several months in between (like 35 and 33) and how he is wearing the jacket at a time where he in some way came in contact with Slendy, this is obviously not a coincidence and Tim's jacket has some big connection to this whole thing.

Now that I said it, it must be canon.

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 		I think it's safe to say that since Entry 15, Tim has completely lost his mind. He can't even coherently tell Alex not to kill/harm him, all he does is grunt, scream, and the occassional "No!" I'd be begging for my life by then. Either now he's become a mindless proxy, or he does have a split personality. But, here's the wrench in my idea- If Tim has lost his mind, who the hell is uploading the videos to TTA?

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fredsolo wrote:
A thing I feel should be brought up is the jacket Tim/Masky wears. The only time we see him wear it without the mask is in Entry 20, when he is apparently suffering of severe exposure to The Operator. In every appearance Masky makes(18,19,23,####,33,35) he is wearing the same jacket. Seeing as how some entries take place several months in between (like 35 and 33) and how he is wearing the jacket at a time where he in some way came in contact with Slendy, this is obviously not a coincidence and Tim's jacket has some big connection to this whole thing.

Now that I said it, it must be canon.


I guess he is wearing a different jacket in Entry 18. But still he wears the same jacket from Entry 19 onwards.

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fredsolo wrote:
A thing I feel should be brought up is the jacket Tim/Masky wears. The only time we see him wear it without the mask is in Entry 20, when he is apparently suffering of severe exposure to The Operator. In every appearance Masky makes(18,19,23,####,33,35) he is wearing the same jacket. Seeing as how some entries take place several months in between (like 35 and 33) and how he is wearing the jacket at a time where he in some way came in contact with Slendy, this is obviously not a coincidence and Tim's jacket has some big connection to this whole thing.

Now that I said it, it must be canon.



I highly doubt that the jacket has any signifiacance. I think they just have him wear the same jacket to give the charecter more of a identity.

Anyway I subscribe to the theory that Tim now only has a sliver of control left of his own actions. It seemed that during entry 35 Tim was grunting and screaming like he was trying to resist some force other then him being pinned down. I think his constant no's and grunts of panic were him trying to signal to alex that he couldn't control himself. Jay seemed to suspect this being the case to as he was trying to convince alex not to harm Tim. From what we've seen Jay knows alot more about Tim then he is letting us know(or can remember).

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 		Just noticed: Tim is seen drinking tap water in Entry #15. Related to the water in #16 and #17?

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 		I think greater-than-normal thirst is one of the speculated symptoms of "Slender sickness".

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 		Reviving this thread for a thought I've had. Please excuse me if I'm not clear, it's 5am.

To escape TO's clutches, Alex packed all his shit away and ran. 3 years later he gets caught by TO almost randomly. During those 3 years it is assumed that he wasn't stalked once.

Now what I don't get is Tim's behaviour as Masky. Now we can ask all about what the Mask means but that's not relevant to the question.

Do you guys really think that after 3 years and one quick talk with Jay, Tim decides to go all crazy, create a mask and start stalking Jay (including breaking into his room and following him to a different place)? Or during those 3 years was Tim going crazy slowly. If so, why wasn't he free of TO like Alex?

Basically: Why is Tim as fucked up as he is considering that he didn't have as much camera exposure as Alex did and had a 3 year gap not even seeing the camera?

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Boreamor wrote:
Reviving this thread for a thought I've had. Please excuse me if I'm not clear, it's 5am.

To escape TO's clutches, Alex packed all his shit away and ran. 3 years later he gets caught by TO almost randomly. During those 3 years it is assumed that he wasn't stalked once.

Now what I don't get is Tim's behaviour as Masky. Now we can ask all about what the Mask means but that's not relevant to the question.

Do you guys really think that after 3 years and one quick talk with Jay, Tim decides to go all crazy, create a mask and start stalking Jay (including breaking into his room and following him to a different place)? Or during those 3 years was Tim going crazy slowly. If so, why wasn't he free of TO like Alex?

Basically: Why is Tim as fucked up as he is considering that he didn't have as much camera exposure as Alex did and had a 3 year gap not even seeing the camera?


Honestly, that three year gap has always bothered me when it comes to speculating on Tim or TTA's activities. Both of them were obviously involved to some extent with what was happening during the original 3 month filming period (Tim with his physical symptoms and TTA via Exit) but then we have three years with... absolutely nothing? Because Alex decides to skip town? There is obviously still a lot of information we just don't have.

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 		It does make you wonder... did Tim squat in Brian's house for 3 years straight? Confused

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