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[Spec] Fire/Water
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goldkear
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 		[Spec] Fire/Water
Hey everyone! While reading some speculation about the series, I became very interested in the theme of water in the series, and here's what I've come up with.

First, I believe that totheark and Tim/masky are the same person (upon watching 41, I don't think Tim is totheark, at least not currently), or at least were at some point (its possible totheark was taken over at some point) and wants Jay to take him to the ark. By definition an Ark is sanctuary or protection, and the only thing I can reasonably see Tim needing protection from is the Operator.

While the identity of the ark is still a mystery to me, I think the water is some form of protection against the Operator, even if it is temporary. This might be because the operator is somehow affiliated with fire. This may sound really corny, but he was likely present when the newscast was talking about Jay's apartment being on fire. It's also possible that the dilapidated building is an abandoned crematorium. I have no idea what one looks like, but it looks about what I would imagine one to be, with metal objects large enough to hold a person, and since they are metal obviously fireproof, also lots of large metal pipes that could carry smoke outside. Additionally, as has been pointed it is much too roomy for a pump room, but if it were a crematorium, there would have to be room for people to work and move bodies/ashes around. This would definitely add to the creepiness of the location since it's basically a morgue.

Now on to Tim and his link with water. In entry 9 Tim is very calm, obviously knows nothing about the Operator at this point, even though Alex is irritable and is being stalked by it. Tim smokes a cigarette, this may have drawn the Operator's attention to him (lighter, the "cherry," ashes, all fire-related). This asserts that entries 17 and 20 take place after entry 9, in both these entries Alex is calm (perhaps he hasn't seen the operator in a while) but Tim is becoming increasingly irritable and appears to have slender sickness. He is also seen drinking water in both these entries, perhaps because he has found out that the water somehow protects him from the operator or suppresses the sickness.

The broadcast video also may feature the operator looming over totheark who is underwater to hide from it, though it is hard to tell exactly what is going on there.

Edit:
now that I'm totally caught up on everything, I feel even stronger about this theory, but it may not be super significant.

entry #38: "The idea was they would get stretched out, kind of like a rack, they never gave them food or water so they would just die of dehydration..... They never cut down the bodies, they would just burn the whole tree with them still on it" If you assume that the theory that the operator is one of these criminals, which seems like a pretty sound theory, He may be afraid of water or maybe kills his victims with fire and/or dehydration, since this is how he was treated when he died.

Entry #40: the Operator appears near a chimney/oven sort of structure (there was one of these in a park in the town i grew up in and apparently it was some old method of cooking) another object associated with fire.

Entry #41: there are a lot of shots of water, as if to bring Jay's attention to it. This would mean if water is some form of protection, someone other than Tim knows about it, as it is unlikely this person is Tim.

Entry #43: The operator doesn't appear until after it is raining. From a production perspective, if the water was insignificant, why not film it while it was raining?

Entry #44: Alex drinks water and spits up blood. though he may have just been rinsing already existing blood out from his slender sickness.

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Mariolee
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 		There's also the emphasis on the lakes and waterfalls in that one video where TTA/Hoody steals Jay's camera and goes on a nature walk to think about.

What if it's something almost poetic: the Operator was born by fire (the forest fire, maybe he was the criminal that burned on the tree or WAS one of the trees) and the only way to be defeated is by fire's natural enemy: water.

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 		There have been some references to rain tossed into entries of the second season. I'm pretty sure all entries with rain have no Operator appearances. I wasn't sure if rain had something to do with the mythos already.

Another thing from the first season though - the bottled water in Brian's house. It was half empty inside of the closet with the sleeping bag (?).

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 		I'm pretty sure, in that interview available for viewing pleasure on Youtube, that Troy or Joseph flat out admit the Operator doesn't like water. It's so blatant, I think they regretted ever mentioning it. I will have to check of course.
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Dumbalias
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 		Oh, well, not that you've mentioned this, I should've added to my theory (from everything up to Entry #45) that the hood guy could've been totheark. Because if he wants to take Jay to the ark, and perhaps, help him, then he would probably return his camera. In my opinion, Tim is not totheark, he is one of the slendersick people (like how Alex is coughing, drawing operator symbols, and records himself) I believe that others did that too, explaining the other people in Entry #45. Interesting speculation, thanks, it added onto my theory.

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Mariolee
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punxtr wrote:
I'm pretty sure, in that interview available for viewing pleasure on Youtube, that Troy or Joseph flat out admit the Operator doesn't like water. It's so blatant, I think they regretted ever mentioning it. I will have to check of course.


So the Operator is a relative of the aliens from Signs.
But seriously, if we can find that again, that would be amazing!

Dumbalias wrote:
Oh, well, not that you've mentioned this, I should've added to my theory (from everything up to Entry #45) that the hood guy could've been totheark. Because if he wants to take Jay to the ark, and perhaps, help him, then he would probably return his camera. In my opinion, Tim is not totheark, he is one of the slendersick people (like how Alex is coughing, drawing operator symbols, and records himself) I believe that others did that too, explaining the other people in Entry #45. Interesting speculation, thanks, it added onto my theory.


I don't see why they both can't be totheark.

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punxtr wrote:
I don't see why they both can't be totheark.


Either that, or, totheark is a group of people. I was thinking about that a bit earlier. Except, they seem to be anti-slendy, just like how the maskies ran away in Entry #45. And by a group of people, I mean the maskies.

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Mariolee
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Dumbalias wrote:
punxtr wrote:
I don't see why they both can't be totheark.


Either that, or, totheark is a group of people. I was thinking about that a bit earlier. Except, they seem to be anti-slendy, just like how the maskies ran away in Entry #45. And by a group of people, I mean the maskies.


If you saw Jay's twitter a while back, Troy totally beats us over the head hinting at there being multiple tothearks.

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goldkear
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 		I added some of the info from replies into my original post. Smile I actually found these on my own since I made the OP after watching the broadcast video, and am now all caught up.

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 		If you look back at entry 41, hoody seems to follow the streams through the woods until he/she reaches the edge of the forest. Could he/she be sticking close to the water as somewhat of an Operator deterrent? He/she seemed really confident about just strolling through the forest right after witnessing Jay get attacked(?) by the Operator.

That was the first thing that came to me. Why else would he/she stay near the water? And if it is an Operator deterrent, then it definitely worked.

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goldkear
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FossilizedSauce wrote:
Another thing from the first season though - the bottled water in Brian's house. It was half empty inside of the closet with the sleeping bag (?).


I forgot about that one! if someone was using the closet as a bed/hiding space it would make sense they would want some sort of protection from the operator

McGregor wrote:
If you look back at entry 41, hoody seems to follow the streams through the woods until he/she reaches the edge of the forest. Could he/she be sticking close to the water as somewhat of an Operator deterrent? He/she seemed really confident about just strolling through the forest right after witnessing Jay get attacked(?) by the Operator..


Hmm, I guess i didn't necessarily pick up that he was following the stream, but it would make sense.

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 		Someone needs to make some (hilarious) fanart of Slendy being afraid of water or something.

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Mariolee wrote:
Someone needs to make some (hilarious) fanart of Slendy being afraid of water or something.


I wanna see Signs with Slendy as the aliens now.

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 		It's raining in Entry #34, when the shack is empty. Then it's nice out in Entry #35, when the shack isn't empty.

There was a discarded water bottle at the bottom of the red tower in Entry #21. (Around 2:30.)

After J wakes up in Entry #27, one of the first things he finds after leaving the hotel is a water bottle that was left in his car. (Around 3:55.)

It starts to rain during Entry #31, which is in Rosswood Park but contains no distortion whatsoever.

Numerous TTA videos from the first season reference water, though I can't be arsed thinking of which specifically.

Brian's excellent taste in art from Entry #20 is a painting of a fire. Brian is also probably the first to disappear during the original Marble Hornets film production. Possible connection?

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 		I think I have explanations for these. In no particular order: Weather, people need water to live, planet's full of it. Razz

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