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The Slender Man should move more
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zbeeblebrox
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let's see...I'm thinking you'd need mover's dolly - the kind that just look like pallets with wheels - with a handle rod attached to the back for Slenderman to be supported by (so he can stand still without tipping over - that's the tricky part, there's gonna be a lot of balancing problems with this). Then have someone behind him to push. Of course now you're not only concealing a dolly but a second person as well. The pusher could crouch, but with the shaky-cam way most SlenderVlogs are filmed, keeping Slenderman framed above the waist consistently is going to be a pain in the ass. If you had a second, longer pole you could attach horizontally to the dolly itself, the pusher might end up a long enough distance away from Slendy that he vanishes behind him. That fixes the waist-up problem. Of course...if you're lucky enough that the guy playing Slenderman owns roller blades and can pull off standing perfectly straight while moving in them, that's probably your best bet.

Personally, I don't see why you'd want to bother, when you could achieve the same emotional response by doing the painfully simple "Ring" trick of having Slenderman stand there, stop the camera, move slenderman much much closer to the screen, start camera. It's easy, scary, and requires zero engineering.

If you want to get extra clever and include foreground actors responding in realtime, film all of their actions during the second cut. Then in your editing software, layer the first cut over the second cut. Then make a basic mask (feather the mask if there was wind, or you'll still see a line!) around the first cut to reveal the actors in the foreground. Then disable the first cut just before the actors start freaking out and you're set!

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Aurastys wrote:
Ouroborus wrote:
But to pick on DH a little bit, while the lean in was awesome, the park chase was a little goofy when you could see him "running".




Nobody watches the updates. They seriously clear up some confusion.


I know... that wasn't it running... that was one of the leaders of derRitter. Maybe the one who who takes the messages from the guy who traveled to the 4th and back.
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redwulf25_ci
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zbeeblebrox wrote:
Personally, I don't see why you'd want to bother, when you could achieve the same emotional response by doing the painfully simple "Ring" trick of having Slenderman stand there, stop the camera, move slenderman much much closer to the screen, start camera. It's easy, scary, and requires zero engineering.


Well yes that's probably true, but I was discussing how one might achieve a specific visual effect someone else had mentioned (where Slendy would apear to glide along the ground without moving his legs) not on how to achieve a similar emotional effect using a different visual effect (that of teleportation via Jeannie Cut).

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redwulf25_ci wrote:

Well yes that's probably true, but I was discussing how one might achieve a specific visual effect someone else had mentioned (where Slendy would apear to glide along the ground without moving his legs) not on how to achieve a similar emotional effect using a different visual effect (that of teleportation via Jeannie Cut).


who mentioned that again?
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zbeeblebrox wrote:
Moving is good. I'm surprised how few employ this. Even if your Slenderman outfit is unwieldy for motion, there's nothing stopping you from doing the creepy Samara thing and having Slenderman do jump-cut teleportation toward the protagonists.


I actually really like this style of movement, Slenderman shouldn't move in a natural way, I think his stillness really adds to the terror of him actually moving and having him move around without actually moving himself seems like it would be unsettling..

An example I can think of would be like watching a cartoon character move, but only seeing the keyframes, no actual movement in-between. One moment his hand is at his side, the next it is raised, pointing, and so on.

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Kirosilence wrote:

An example I can think of would be like watching a cartoon character move, but only seeing the keyframes, no actual movement in-between. One moment his hand is at his side, the next it is raised, pointing, and so on.


yeah, that effect was mentioned before where he appears to skip through space without showing movement. The thing with that though is if there is someone in the shot, you gotta make sure that THEY don't get the same effect as slendy does, OR even the surrounding area (like swaying trees or animal life). So either have a camera on a tripod, or get ready to do some annoying masking.
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redwulf25_ci wrote:
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I've always imagined showing the slenderman moving, but from the waist up, would be very creepy. It is something about his legs actually moving that doesn't fit well.

just my humble opinion.


If you want that effect I'm sure something could be rigged up where the actor is standing on a skateboard and gets pulled forward by some hidden wire. As an added bonus as long as the viewer can't see the wire or the skateboard you can film his legs and see that he's moving forward but he's not walking like a human does.

Hell, maybe someone's group has a tech geek that can make some sort of remote control rig so the wire is unnecessary.


Sounds a bit like the Gentlemen from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. They levitated instead of walking. It was creepy. Shocked

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cochinosanchez wrote:
redwulf25_ci wrote:

Well yes that's probably true, but I was discussing how one might achieve a specific visual effect someone else had mentioned (where Slendy would apear to glide along the ground without moving his legs) not on how to achieve a similar emotional effect using a different visual effect (that of teleportation via Jeannie Cut).


who mentioned that again?


CelestialFiend wrote:
I've always imagined showing the slenderman moving, but from the waist up, would be very creepy. It is something about his legs actually moving that doesn't fit well.

just my humble opinion.


His suggestion on the how was cost free and the required amount of technical experience was "Hold the camera correctly" but I think my suggestions, if someone wanted to create that effect and if it fit in their budget and technical know how, would create a better looking version. Among other things it would be quite clear that his legs weren't moving rather than just being implied.

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I think it's a debate about Slow Zombies vs Fast Zombies, really. Then again, I don't like to see DarkHarvest Moving, where he's actually running. But Stiff as a board can be boring. That's why I like 5zer02, TJAprojects and Tribe Twelve, They all have Subtle movements, makes it creepier. Ever Since Marble Hornets went with the mannequin... It's kinda gotten Dull...

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Really... from reading these suggestions I do believe that a well-thought out combination of these movements would be crazy scary to watch.
What I really appreciate is the low cost these could be done with if proper attention to detail is paid.

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NikkiNikki wrote:
Then again, I don't like to see DarkHarvest Moving, where he's actually running.




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CelestialFiend wrote:
Really... from reading these suggestions I do believe that a well-thought out combination of these movements would be crazy scary to watch.
What I really appreciate is the low cost these could be done with if proper attention to detail is paid.


Oh yeah! No doubt this could be done with little to no cost(you're looking at the master of doing things under the budget!). In fact... I should make a tutorial on this! *grabs camera and flees*
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On a semi-related note I'm wondering if there's a low budget way to create a swirl of black leaves when he Slenderwalks in somewhere. For those who aren't familiar the text blogs I've been reading lately (seems to be a video drought going on) have explained his teleportation with "The Path of Black Leaves". According to http://scribesigma.blogspot.com/search/label/Pathway%20Data

Scribe Sigma wrote:
CW002 is the Pathway utilized by PRE01 "Slender Man" and its Servants. They have been observed as being able to open portals to CW002 at will. CW002 appears as a forest shrouded in perpetual night, and all the leaves on the trees are black. Creatures wander the forest, and are said to attack travelers who do not bear PRE01's Mark. The exact nature of these creatures is unknown, as few have ever observed them and survived. Those who do not bear PRE01's Mark often find themselves weakening when traveling CW002. PRE01's Servants suffer no such ill effects.


(Note, the blog is Fear mythos rather than pure Slenderman. Scribe Sigma's orginization referes to the Fears as "Phobic Representational Entities" and considers Slenderman to be the first identified.)

If it can be done right it might up the creep factor, if done wrong it runs the risk of causing laughter.[/quote]

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redwulf25_ci wrote:
On a semi-related note I'm wondering if there's a low budget way to create a swirl of black leaves when he Slenderwalks in somewhere.


I think this would look fantastic!

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so what do you guys think? Is this how we would picture slenderman moving, and how we would want him to move in our vlogs? I will do a tutorial on this effect once im sure I got it right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqepn2gSJKQ
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