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I would like to see some OOG symbolism where Jay goes to Alex's apartment and finds (among other actually useful things) a trumpet.

Just sayin'
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 		A five-and-a-half-minute hallway, perhaps? Wink
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KTsteve wrote:






Preface: I'm bad with screencaps so I'm just giving timestamps here.

To use KT's image: I really think that the evidence against Alex being the figure in noentry is pretty strong.

First we have the long arms. People have noted the idea that it may simple be a lighting trick. I can see that point except for the problem that it's not simply the arm on the left, there's indication of an arm on the right as well. Okay, so he could be holding two long slender objects, but then where are his hands? If he's gripping something with that lighting you'd be able to see at least some indication of his hands further up on the objects. Sure this isn't definitive proof against Alex, but I think it certainly calls into question the idea that it's Alex.

Second we have the length of the legs. Look at the length of Alex's legs from where his crotch ends (that's right, look at his glorious crotch). Compare that to the length of the legs in noentry and consider the following. noentry is taken from further into the tunnel; further away from the figure. This should cause the legs to appear shorter not longer. But all cues from perspective (length from the ground to the crotch, level of the crotch in comparison to the tunnel wall) indicate that Alex has shorter legs than the figure in noentry. Yes, the camera shot in noentry is straight-on and the shot in 49 is at a sharp angle, but I don't think this would be responsible for the discrepancy here when compensating for the distance that plays an issue in noentry.

Finally what I consider the damning evidence. The height. The visual cues from noentry indicate that the figure is at the boundary between the tunnel and outside. Despite this fact, the figure is at least as tall as, if not taller than, the height of the tunnel itself (this is actually easier to notice in the segment of noentry before it cuts to the above image of the tunnel: 0:56-0:58 ). Alex is obviously not that tall. Entry 48, when Alex is squatting in front of the tunnel (around 5:15), makes that comparison a lot easier. At best his height will double when standing, even then he would be, again at best, two-thirds the height of the tunnel. Further evidence against Alex comes in the form of Bruce's entrance to the scene (best shot of Bruce's height in comparison to the tunnel is at 2:22, once the camera has adjusted to the brightness). Bruce is most definitely not the height of the tunnel. Alex is most definitely not THAT much taller than Bruce (compare the height of Alex's arms when they're outstretched at 2:24/2:25 to Bruce's shoulders). If A < C and B = A, B < C.

Side note about this last point: I think it's interesting to note that the image of the Operator in Entry 49 is also not quite tall enough to match the image from noentry (although it is closer than Alex is). Of course we have no idea whether or not the Operator has the ability to alter its height.

Each piece alone is not enough, but in tandem they certainly say to me that the figure in noentry is the Operator and that no other character we have encountered fits the description presented.

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I will agree that it's possible that all of the cues are meant to bait us into think it's the Operator and that through cool camera tricks it appears to be the Operator; that Troy and Joseph are trying to trick us. Honestly, I'm not aware of an instance where they have actually given us blatant cues to point in one direction and then completely changed things. The main thing I could see this argument about is whether TTA=Timasky. In that case, however, the evidence they gave us was still 100% consistent with what currently appears to be the actual case: TTA=Timasky+Others.


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 		^^This. Just...wow. I'm not 100% sure of all your evidence. There's a few more options than just Slendy and Alex, and all this looking at NoEntry has me convinced that it's not the same moment as 49 at all. I think that means that whoever it is as the front of the tunnel, the pattern implies that this sort of thing has been going on for awhile (more than this instance, at least). Still, I admire how your analysis doesn't resist this idea and instead just goes for the throat in all cases. definitely something to think carefully about.

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 		The events of 29 HAVE to be at least a day or so later. It's clearly rained in 29, and it's bone dry in 49.
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This may end up being an OOG problem, but I can't imagine Troseph letting something like this pass. Though, that, in addition to the white shirt, could be the big issue Troy mentioned on his blog.

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 		The concluding image in Noentry, seen above in KSteve's trio of captures, has always seemed to me to be separate from the last bit of film that precedes it—an independent still grafted at the end. I never made anything of it before, but now it occurs to me that it might be intended to suggest Alex as the (or an) operator: the last frames of the film show Alex, the concluding still image superimposes the Operator in his place.

Edit:


I don't know. I see a clearer difference in the video, but maybe I'm imagining it.


Also, I bank on the #29 wet ground thing being a continuity glitch and I'm still confident it and #49 happen the same day.

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Spakken wrote:
^^This. Just...wow. I'm not 100% sure of all your evidence. There's a few more options than just Slendy and Alex, and all this looking at NoEntry has me convinced that it's not the same moment as 49 at all. I think that means that whoever it is as the front of the tunnel, the pattern implies that this sort of thing has been going on for awhile (more than this instance, at least). Still, I admire how your analysis doesn't resist this idea and instead just goes for the throat in all cases. definitely something to think carefully about.


Thanks. I agree with you that there are definitely more options than just Slendy and Alex, and I was tempted to address this before. I think a majority of the evidence against Alex could basically be used as evidence against any non-supernatural being. Since the only truly supernatural being we've encountered is the Operator I think that it is mostly likely the case that the figure in noentry is the Operator, but who knows what will happen. Similarly, I'm not 100% sure on my evidence either. It's really just the best I have to go on and I feel it's sufficient enough to rule Alex out. But that's just me (clearly, since I made the post).

Radiolab Hope wrote:
The concluding image in Noentry, seen above in KSteve's trio of captures, has always seemed to me to be separate from the last bit of film that precedes it—an independent still grafted at the end. I never made anything of it before, but now it occurs to me that it might be intended to suggest Alex as the (or an) operator: the last frames of the film show Alex, the concluding still image superimposes the Operator in his place.

Edit:


I don't know. I see a clearer difference in the video, but maybe I'm imagining it.


You're totally right, they're different to me too and I have no idea what the significance of this is. I think it's definitely something to consider because, in my opinion, the two images are different enough to lead me to think that there may be some significance to this difference. Hard to say what though. It could simply be a facet of the distortion or there could be more there. I don't think we'll know for sure until the story loops back to this moment.

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Radiolab Hope wrote:
The concluding image in Noentry, seen above in KSteve's trio of captures, has always seemed to me to be separate from the last bit of film that precedes it—an independent still grafted at the end. I never made anything of it before, but now it occurs to me that it might be intended to suggest Alex as the (or an) operator: the last frames of the film show Alex, the concluding still image superimposes the Operator in his place.

Edit:


I don't know. I see a clearer difference in the video, but maybe I'm imagining it.


Also, I bank on the #29 wet ground thing being a continuity glitch and I'm still confident it and #49 happen the same day.


Thanks for the screenshots. I said something similar a few pages back, but it was buried in a long post and yours is much better put. Smile I see it too, moreso in motion, not so much in the screenshots. That particular distortion + image sharpening + head tilt are pretty suggestive to me. 

And I *want* the shirt to be the continuity error, because THAT DAMN SHIRT (as it's officially known in my head) ruins all my spec. I can even find workable ways around the wet blood, but not THAT DAMN SHIRT. The OOG revelation gives me hope, but I'm hesitant to bank on it myself. Usually I'm just wrong. >.<

EDIT: Here's what I said before. I c/ped and [added notes] because I'm lazy. Ignore the "resurrected" part; that's from a bit of tree planting.
tijde wrote:
But watch the end of #29. The first figure at the end of the tunnel, the one we see for a split-second before the stuttering distortion [at :36, first screenshot]... What if that's a resurrected Alex? Then the stuttering distortion happens, and THAT figure [the sharpened figure, second screenshot]--the one with the crazy-long arms [actually, I see now that they both have long arms]--is The Operator. I'm not saying Resurrected Alex physically morphs into The Operator before Jay's eyes. Rather, it happens only in the distortion, to signify that the two have finally, totally merged.

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 		Timeline
You may remember me from a couple of pages back. To recap here's what I was thinking on the timeline (skip it or bear with me, I may have figured out a hole in my timeline):

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49 happens, Alex calls Jay and wants to meet tomorrow. 38 happens. In 38.5, Alex attacks Jay and they fight, ending at the tunnel where Jay ROCKSMASHes Alex in self defense. (Ooh, using the murder weapon on the murderer! Film students looooove that shit, IG and OOG!) The Op shows up to defend Alex (again, like from the Maskies) and scares Jay away (Alex may or may not be dead?). Jay grabs the chest cam on the way out. He loves grabbing things on the way out. The Op does some revenge memory erasing (I kinda like that idea). Jay realizes that memories are disappearing one after another. He calls Jessica to help him, and they meet at the hotel. As Jay is explaining to Jessica, he realizes he's forgotten something crucial (maybe that The Op seems to be on Alex's side, and therefore vice versa?) and thinks that if he goes back to the tunnel, he'll remember it. Head to tunnel with chest cam (now understanding why Alex was wearing it), and forgets on the way what he's doing, only that he needs to go there. Show up at tunnel and film 29. Get scared away again. Head back to the hotel and download and hide entry 29/noentry on his laptop (still not sure why...could Jessica have done that, to make sure he doesn't go back again?)....And Jay wakes up next morning with no memories of the past 7 months...as does Jessica (just from being near? Or does The Operator show up to remove memories personally, and she's there too? She loses them to an epic drinking binge?)


I was contemplating the MH twitter and J's recent tweets while I happen to be writing search queries for work, and it crossed my mind - expand the search. Jay tweeted:
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Marble Hornets
Looking for any reports of a missing person around the area and time Entry #49 took place.
Marble Hornets
So far, I've found absolutely nothing about a missing person. I feel like I've looked everywhere, too.
Marble Hornets
STILL nothing on a missing person. I can't figure it out.


I tweeted to Jay that he might check for missing persons in his hometown, that maybe someone followed him and Alex to Rosswood? I posted this in the MH Twitter thread, before I realized the timeline implications, so my apologies for x-posting.

So - area is one place where J is qualifying his search. So look elsewhere. But he's also qualifying the time frame. Long shot, but could we be really wrong on the time?
Thirdly - and this really expands the search criteria, and may fix the bloody shirt problem - what if Bruce/The Dude isn't dead? What if he was transported back from wherever, unconcious, hurt, possibly with no memory. We'd be looking for a violent crime that ended up with someone in the hospital or a mental institution. And he wouldn't be unknown to the authorities, as long as he had ID on him. Since he was leaning against a car, presumably he has a driver's license, so he's not missing so to speak. Just hurt or insane or something.

I should probably get back to work now. Wink

EDIT- DOH! Forgot to mention, this could be how the disappeared bloody shirt ends up back in the tunnel, if he is transported back. Paramedics cut it off of him?
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 		Wow , nice entry , too much violence in it , it needs now nudity to compensate Laughing

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 		What if...
It seems that everyone is assuming that it is Jay that had retrieved the tapes and stored them in the safe but what if the tapes had been put there by someone else before Jay ever went there and intended for him to find them?

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Radiolab Hope wrote:
The concluding image in Noentry, seen above in KSteve's trio of captures, has always seemed to me to be separate from the last bit of film that precedes it—an independent still grafted at the end. I never made anything of it before, but now it occurs to me that it might be intended to suggest Alex as the (or an) operator: the last frames of the film show Alex, the concluding still image superimposes the Operator in his place.

Edit:


I don't know. I see a clearer difference in the video, but maybe I'm imagining it.


Also, I bank on the #29 wet ground thing being a continuity glitch and I'm still confident it and #49 happen the same day.


I'll admit those two stills look different, and not just in the lighting/colour/level of distortion, but I think it's also plausible that its just what the camera captured after the second difference between the two frames, meaning that the camera isn't just showing a more distorted version of the first frame but that its showing more footage, and the Operator has cocked his head in curiosity.
Not to say I don't like the thought of somehow an image of Alex or Operator somehow made it onto the film tape as it was pointed at the Operator/Alex. Though I really don't think the rain business will be allowed to be a plot hole.

Lastly: The first readthough of this thread page this is pretty much what I took away from the conversation:
Psychpants wrote:
(that's right, look at his glorious crotch).

jenni42ld wrote:
Jay... ...loves grabbing things on the way out.

Dear god what have we become.

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TheMorrigan wrote:
Lastly: The first readthough of this thread page this is pretty much what I took away from the conversation:
Psychpants wrote:
(that's right, look at his glorious crotch).

jenni42ld wrote:
Jay... ...loves grabbing things on the way out.

Dear god what have we become.


^This +

Hades wrote:
Wow , nice entry , too much violence in it , it needs now nudity to compensate Laughing


and I gotta say, the word "wet" has been thrown around a lot this past entry discussion Rolling Eyes

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