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[SPEC] The Basement of Doom, the Red Tower, & the Tunnel/Ark
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tijde
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 		Ok I'm a dumbass who can't keep all these locations straight. I know what each is, when they appear, and what happens there, but I can never remember where they are in relation to each other. Judging by the "Return Home" drawing in #50, it'll be important to know for future entries. So can somebody help a girl out? Here's the impression I have at the moment:

The Red Tower: 
- near where Alex shot parts of the original Marble Hornets Student Film (call it MHSF)
- the woods around it were the main set for MHSF
- close to both the film school and where Alex and Brian lived while filming MHSF 
- around half an hour away from where Jay lived while filming MHSF 
- around 2 hours away from where Jay lived during S1
- in a different state than where Alex moved, which is where S2 takes place 
- therefore not in Rosswood
- near the poolhouse; they're in the same woods

Basement of Doom:
- location unknown, possibly in another dimension
- accessed via BONE closet, possibly other access points 
- not really a basement (the staircase says it's at least a few levels)

The Tunnel of MURRRRDER:
- in Rosswood
- in a different state than both where MHSF was filmed and where Jay lived during S1 
- in the same state Alex moved to after MH, which is where he lives during S2 
- BUT I don't know how far Rosswood is from Amy's apartment, Alex's S2 apartment, the Hotel of WTF, or the hotel(s) Jay moves to after Jess disappears

Now tell me where I'm wrong, por favor. Smile
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 		Okay, I'll see if I can help.
tijde wrote:
The Red Tower: 
- near where Alex shot parts of the original Marble Hornets Student Film (call it MHSF)
- the woods around it were the main set for MHSF
- close to both the film school and where Alex and Brian lived while filming MHSF 
- around half an hour away from where Jay lived while filming MHSF 
- around 2 hours away from where Jay lived during S1
- in a different state than where Alex moved, which is where S2 takes place 
- therefore not in Rosswood
- near the poolhouse; they're in the same woods

It seemed like Jay was living in the same town during MHSF and in S1. Based on his tweets, the park with the Red Tower was a little while away from him but not a whole 2 hours. The Introduction says that Alex transferred to another school but not necessarily to another state. I agree though, that the Red Tower park is not Rosswood because the S2 area does seem far away. The poolhouse was most likely elsewhere because it was on a different location scouting video.
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Basement of Doom:
- location unknown, possibly in another dimension
- accessed via BONE closet, possibly other access points 
- not really a basement (the staircase says it's at least a few levels)

I really don't know what to say about the Basement besides the fact that OOG it was the inside of the poolhouse.
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The Tunnel of MURRRRDER:
- in Rosswood
- in a different state than both where MHSF was filmed and where Jay lived during S1 
- in the same state Alex moved to after MH, which is where he lives during S2 
- BUT I don't know how far Rosswood is from Amy's apartment, Alex's S2 apartment, the Hotel of WTF, or the hotel(s) Jay moves to after Jess disappears

The Tunnel is in Rosswood. It is in the S2 region where Alex moved after MHSF. Again, I don't think there's been an indication that it's a different state, just that it's far away from S1 area. Rosswood seems to be within a short driving distance of the Hotel and the apartments.

Unfortunately, they haven't been that specific about distances in the series, so those are just my estimates. Also, it's kind of difficult to distinguish IG and OOG locations. For example, OOG we know that the Basement was in the poolhouse and that both seasons have been in Alabama (different parts, though), but IG they have never said one way or another. I hope this has been helpful.

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 		Thanks! I'll snip the quotes for neatness:  
Gold Knight wrote:
Based on his tweets, the park with the Red Tower was a little while away from him but not a whole 2 hours.

I got "around 2 hours" from the wiki. During the Solstice Watch, Jay tweets that he's leaving at 1:45. He tweets that the gate is closed and he'll have to hike in at 3:30. I assumed he'd just arrived at 3:30, but maybe there was a delay for parking etc. between his actual arrival and the tweet?  

Gold Knight wrote:
It seemed like Jay was living in the same town during MHSF and in S1.

I think this is what trips me up the most. I thought the same thing. Jay doesn't imply that he moved between MHSF and S1. In fact, the way he describes stashing and then re-finding Alex's tapes supports the opposite--that he didn't move. But I also got the impression that MH-era Jay lived closer to the set than the Solstice Watch tweets suggest. Was he really commuting 1-2 hours, between his S1 apartment and the woods, for the MH project?      

Gold Knight wrote:
The Introduction says that Alex transferred to another school but not necessarily to another state.
 
Jay says Alex transferred to an "out-of-state" school. That's where I got the separate states thing. Seems clear to me, but again, maybe I drew a wrong assumption.

On all other points, I agree.      

Gold Knight wrote:
Unfortunately, they haven't been that specific about distances in the series, so those are just my estimates. Also, it's kind of difficult to distinguish IG and OOG locations. For example, OOG we know that the Basement was in the poolhouse and that both seasons have been in Alabama (different parts, though), but IG they have never said one way or another. I hope this has been helpful.
 
Definitely agree that OOG info (and uF's zeal for the same!) made it tough to reconcile everything. I've joined the fandom rather late in the game, so sorting refs to shooting and IG locations, plus Alex, Jay, Troy, and Joseph's various moves, is... challenging. Wink But this was helpful, so thanks again.
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tijde wrote:
I think this is what trips me up the most. I thought the same thing. Jay doesn't imply that he moved between MHSF and S1. In fact, the way he describes stashing and then re-finding Alex's tapes supports the opposite--that he didn't move. But I also got the impression that MH-era Jay lived closer to the set than the Solstice Watch tweets suggest. Was he really commuting 1-2 hours, between his S1 apartment and the woods, for the MH project?

It's quite possible. We only know for sure that Jay went to the park with Alex once, when he was location scouting in Entry #5. While Jay was involved with the filming of Marble Hornets, he wasn't necessarily going to the woods every time. So I think it's reasonable for Jay's location to be the same before and during S1.
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Jay says Alex transferred to an "out-of-state" school. That's where I got the separate states thing. Seems clear to me, but again, maybe I drew a wrong assumption.

Actually, I only looked at the Introduction video and forgot about the original post on Something Awful. So I now agree that S2 is a different state IG. That actually explains why Jay drove two days straight from his hotel in 26 to the shack in 34.

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Gold Knight wrote:
For example, OOG we know that the Basement was in the poolhouse and that both seasons have been in Alabama (different parts, though), but IG they have never said one way or another. I hope this has been helpful.

OOG, they're not in VERY different parts of Alabama. The red tower park (Oak Mountain State Park, south of Birmingham) is about 50 miles from Rosswood (Munny Sokol Park, near Tuscaloosa).

IG, who knows? Other than that they're in different states and about 2 hours apart, and necessarily somewhere in the South because of the climate, we have no information. (I assume we are to ignore the RL clues we see every so often.)

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TheFuss wrote:
Hahahaha, that really happened? Wow! How did he even find it?

Edit: In another thread on here someone says that the guy in question didn't actually dig it up, just a bunch of people went and looked at it. But OOG:

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It looks like we won't be seeing any more entries in the Basement of Doom, guys...


OOG:

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Lately Troy has been posting a lot of pictures on Twitter from a pretty run down place...I'm thinking even if it's not exactly where they were filming before, it would be an acceptable substitute for the Basement of Doom. I wouldn't give up on it just yet Very Happy


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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
This new abandoned building could be in the same "dimension" or whatever as the Basement of Doom, thus carrying on it's role in the plot.

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 		The basement was morphing what exactly is the basements relation.

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AngryDeepground wrote:
Scoutas wrote:
pravado wrote:
do you know how much it costs to own a hotel? way more than the maskies could afford.

i like this theory about the basement though, although i don't think it'll turn out to be true.

Well, Maskies might just be an a staff members, and not own a hotel by themselves. That's what I wanted to say. They are using the hotel as safe point for Jay and Jessica, but when Jay saw Maskie in a hotel (Which, in my opinion, only wanted to explain everything to them), he panicked and ran.


If he wanted to explain things to J he would have come as Tim. J would not have freaked if he saw Tim. Also even if he hadn't come as Tim he was sneaking up on J. But your theory is solid and it goes along with the Voices in Jessicas room in 36.


but tim might have needed the mask because of TO, or Tim was too scared to take the mask off, giving him a major disadvantage in trying to talk to Jay

EDIT: srry for bringing up topic tht hasnt been disscused on this pg XD

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Flyleaf(IntoTheMist)Wolfi wrote:

but tim might have needed the mask because of TO, or Tim was too scared to take the mask off, giving him a major disadvantage in trying to talk to Jay

My impression is that Tim might not be fully in control of when he becomes Masky. He can talk to Jay perfectly rationally as in the S1 interview entry, or he can behave wildly, when he typically puts on the mask, but if you remove the mask his behavior doesn't seem to change.

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 		Are we really still hung up on the locations from season 1? Look, we can at least be pretty damned sure the red tower has served its full purpose (which was to be a holding place for the tape from entry 22), and I really don't see the basement coming back any time soon, and as for the tunnel being the ark, why are we so sure of the probability that some sewer pipe is the ark that's been hinted at in the name of the king of all proxies? The ark could just as easily be a portable object or even a person. Shit, for all we know the ark could be the ghost raccoon from Where The Red Fern Grows.

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 		Reading the last part of the message post had me laughing.

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Lytrigian wrote:
Flyleaf(IntoTheMist)Wolfi wrote:

but tim might have needed the mask because of TO, or Tim was too scared to take the mask off, giving him a major disadvantage in trying to talk to Jay

My impression is that Tim might not be fully in control of when he becomes Masky. He can talk to Jay perfectly rationally as in the S1 interview entry, or he can behave wildly, when he typically puts on the mask, but if you remove the mask his behavior doesn't seem to change.


Well, maybe Tim forgot all about the operator when Alex moved(like everyone else did), and the interview was pretty much putting gas on fire. Woosh! Back to getting slendy stalked, and paranoid to the point of wearing his mask(again??)
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WhyYouBawwing wrote:
Are we really still hung up on the locations from season 1?

Sure, why not? What's wrong with theorycrafting for old locations?

WhyYouBawwing wrote:
Look, we can at least be pretty damned sure the red tower has served its full purpose (which was to be a holding place for the tape from entry 22),

Then why did Jay wake up near it again after the Tweetpocalypse?

WhyYouBawwing wrote:
and I really don't see the basement coming back any time soon,

We'll never visually see the basement again because of OOG stuff, but I don't see why it wouldn't at least be mentioned.

WhyYouBawwing wrote:
and as for the tunnel being the ark, why are we so sure of the probability that some sewer pipe is the ark that's been hinted at in the name of the king of all proxies?

The tunnel/ark theory was disproved as of Entry #50 unless there was actually something important inside (although someone did sneak up on Jay while he was walking through the tunnel). I don't feel like going back and revising my whole theory.

WhyYouBawwing wrote:
The ark could just as easily be a portable object or even a person. Shit, for all we know the ark could be the ghost raccoon from Where The Red Fern Grows.

We'll see.
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SecretPerson wrote:
WhyYouBawwing wrote:
Are we really still hung up on the locations from season 1?

Sure, why not? What's wrong with theorycrafting for old locations?

WhyYouBawwing wrote:
Look, we can at least be pretty damned sure the red tower has served its full purpose (which was to be a holding place for the tape from entry 22),

Then why did Jay wake up near it again after the Tweetpocalypse?

WhyYouBawwing wrote:
and I really don't see the basement coming back any time soon,

We'll never visually see the basement again because of OOG stuff, but I don't see why it wouldn't at least be mentioned.

WhyYouBawwing wrote:
and as for the tunnel being the ark, why are we so sure of the probability that some sewer pipe is the ark that's been hinted at in the name of the king of all proxies?

The tunnel/ark theory was disproved as of Entry #50 unless there was actually something important inside (although someone did sneak up on Jay while he was walking through the tunnel). I don't feel like going back and revising my whole theory.

WhyYouBawwing wrote:
The ark could just as easily be a portable object or even a person. Shit, for all we know the ark could be the ghost raccoon from Where The Red Fern Grows.

We'll see.


im agreeing with all of this, but what happened to "the Basement of Doom"??
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