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Eldest K
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Just a thought, but do you guys get the impression that this was the same building from Entry #13?

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ieisuk wrote:
Mariolee wrote:


Also, I'm almost positive Tim's appearances have a reason. In fact, I'm starting to think he was the one who filmed noentry. Boom. I just blew your mind.


Sorry, but which one is noentry, I just did a quick search for it so I'd remember what one but can't find it on either channel :/


noentry is Entry 29 I believe. Sorry! :p

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BirdieJava wrote:

Because it makes no sense for Marble Hornets, the student film by Alex to be filmed in a camera that wasn't used for the rest of the film.

Think about it this way, we can accept the middle of the Wizard of Oz being in color while the scenes in Kansas are in sepia tones. If say, Citizen Kane or were to jump from colorized to black and white or Casablanca started out as a silent film and suddenly became a talkie.

This entry happened in 2006, before Alex or any of the other Marble Hornets (the youtube series we are watching) should rightfully have HD equipment.


Actually, it really doesn't matter at all and it really makes no difference.


Did you just skip his whole explanation as to why it IS important? I mean, you quoted it right there, and he put up an actual argument rather than the method you chose to use, which was "This is my opinion. Explain? Nah."

Eldest K wrote:
Just a thought, but do you guys get the impression that this was the same building from Entry #13?


I'm pretty sure some of our very own unfictionoloogists went to the actual place of Entry 13, and the way they described it and took pictures of it, it doesn't seem as if they are the same building.

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Eldest K wrote:
Just a thought, but do you guys get the impression that this was the same building from Entry #13?

It's not. Sad

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The poolhouse from Entries 13, 22, and 23 was renovated into a train museum.

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Nothing to add spec-wise....y'all are impossible to keep up with in that regard. However, I did want to share that JUST as the freeze-frame image of Brian/Slendy popped up, the lights in my room flickered and dimmed inexplicably.

Now, I don't spook easily, and I don't often lose sleep after watching even the most intense horror flick, but when the lights went apeshit at that EXACT moment.... I ripped my headphones off and whipped around in my chair, fully expecting to see Tall, Dark, and Faceless standing RIGHT BEHIND ME. Once I cleared the brix I shat from my office chair, I was able to finish the entry, though I spent the rest of the episode (and the next several hours) constantly looking over my shoulder and jumping at every little shadow and odd noise in the house.

So, yeah, Troy & Co: thanks a LOT for the mind-fuck! Crying or Very sad

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You know, back when we thought Timasky was the only Masky, we thought there was something special about Tim that allowed him to resist the Operator's control and escape. But pretty much the entire cast has been Operated (my own little term for it), and it's pretty clear that Tim's not the only one who put on a mask and went against Alex (count me in the "Brian = Hoodie, and possibly Sarah = Woodsy" camp).

So, I'm thinking the one who is really "special" is Jay. He's the standalone, the only one who isn't either working for the Operator or a masked crusader.

I think he's got some kind of special ability... maybe not to fight the Operator directly, at least not yet (since he seems as vulnerable as anyone), but maybe he can unlock some sort of ability? Perhaps JAY is the Ark, and the Maskies/TTA are trying to build him up into their weapon against Alex and/or the Operator?

And as for Alex. Yeah, he's got multiple personalities. He's evil, but he doesn't realize it for half the time (just like Jay never remembered being involved in '06). But perhaps now he's figured it out, and his hostility is meant to keep people away, so they aren't around when he turns bad?

We still don't know what the Operator actually DOES with his victims. He can't just be killing or eating them or whatever; he's already had a gazillion opportunities to gobble up the entire cast (seriously, we've seen him have nearly every regular character completely at his mercy at least once), but Jay and Tim at least are still around, and Brian and Sarah probably are too. Sure the Operator "removed" Bruce, but Bruce was already dead, at the hands of a human. When the victims are alive, for some reason the Operator just messes with their heads a bit and lets them go.

Is the Big Twist going to be that the Operator isn't so bad after all, and Alex's Dark Half is the real baddie?


And now, for Sylocat's Random Thoughts:

1. The "Operator/Hospital" link is interesting, but am I alone in thinking that his name refers to a CAMERA Operator? It would go towards explaining his apparent link to cameras (Alex thought that burning the tapes would stop him, and he only returned to Alex's life when Amy found the camera)

2. Maybe this entry's in HD because something in YouTube's coding has changed, rather than any fault of Troy's... Notice how the video controls are black now, and the menu at the end of each video looks way different (correct me if I'm wrong, but that last part just started a couple days ago). I know I can't seem to figure out the HD-uploading tweaks on my own YouTube channel.

3. Now that we know Alex was evil sometime way back during the original filming, who wants to go through all the old entries and try and figure out when Alex was being evil and when he wasn't? Show of hands?

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Mariolee wrote:
ieisuk wrote:
Mariolee wrote:


Also, I'm almost positive Tim's appearances have a reason. In fact, I'm starting to think he was the one who filmed noentry. Boom. I just blew your mind.


Sorry, but which one is noentry, I just did a quick search for it so I'd remember what one but can't find it on either channel :/


noentry is Entry 29 I believe. Sorry! :p



durp, should have remembered that Razz, and i have to agree with you, I'm also in the boat that believes that the guy alex killed there was brian after this video. I'm at the point where I'm thinking Brian started TTA and Tim has taken the reigns since.

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BirdieJava wrote:
mods4fun wrote:
Mariolee wrote:
Edit: If it's from Marble Hornets, why is it in HD?

Mariolee wrote:
So, we ever get an explanation for the HD switch?

Why is it such a big surprise that this entry is in HD? The entire season has been in 720p.


Because it makes no sense for Marble Hornets, the student film by Alex to be filmed in a camera that wasn't used for the rest of the film.

Think about it this way, we can accept the middle of the Wizard of Oz being in color while the scenes in Kansas are in sepia tones. If say, Citizen Kane or were to jump from colorized to black and white or Casablanca started out as a silent film and suddenly became a talkie.

This entry happened in 2006, before Alex or any of the other Marble Hornets (the youtube series we are watching) should rightfully have HD equipment.


Someone asked Troy about the decrepancy, and Troy said it was shot using the same camera for the old entries. Also, Jay's current-day entries during season one were not in HD either. I repeat. The newer video during season one, with Jay as the cameraman, was not in HD either.

So... how is there a discrepancy? The only mystery here is why Troy decided to start uploading entries in HD for season two, not why there is a (Youtube) quality (setting) difference between #51 and season one...
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Minihil wrote:
I believe this was the most recent entry before Entry #22. At the end of #22, Alex notes that he and Seth were the last two left, which means Brian was already gone. Of course, maybe he really was lying, but I'll get to that in a bit.

It should take place after all the other entries with the original Marble Hornets footage. Of course, with what we just saw, Brian and Tim should in theory be gone by now, so that should be obvious. Though nothing's quite ruled out yet.


Since Tim is around today, he survived Entry 51, so he doesn't really factor into the timeline. Brian's fate makes me think that he is gone for good at that point. Because of that, I think 51 could have taken place the day after 22, with the Brian-less Entries taking place after 51.

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"...[Seth] wasn't feeling too good, so he just stayed home today." I'm not sure whether I think this is a lie or not. If I'm right and this entry does take place before #22, then Seth should be alive at the time of #51. But why? If he was telling the truth and Seth came to this place with him before, why didn't Alex get rid of him then? It would have been much simpler. Was he lying about coming here with Seth, then? Why would he do that--to add legitimacy to his logic? I'm not sure what to make of this. But let's move on.

Given the assumptions that Seth is still alive, and #22 comes after #51, the logical conclusion one might come to is that Alex was getting rid of Seth in #22.

This is where a whole lot of questions come up, many of them contradicting one another in their implications.

Alex's tone was dramatically different in #22 than it is in #51. He even said to Seth, "Let's go. Right now." just before Seth went in another direction and "something" happened to him. As though he was WORRIED something would happen. If he was faking it, he was certainly pretending to be friendly a lot better than usual, and even if he was, why try to leave? Did he sense that he was in danger as well?


In Entry 22, Alex sounds legitimately fearful in Entry 22. In Entry 51, Alex is snarky, cold, and distant. I don't think Alex was attempting to get rid of Seth in 22, but I do think he was trying to get rid of Brian in 51.

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For that matter, why did he supposedly lose his memories then, but not with Brian? Was he really lying? Did he do something wrong that time? Was his allegiance with The Operator one time, but not the other? Is there even such a thing as allegiance to The Operator?


I have a feeling that whatever caused Alex to survive Entry 22 dragged him into that Operator-ally state we see him in during 51 (and the second half of Season 2). Tim also survived an Operator attack, and he seems to have gained a separate state (Masky) from the experience as well.

Minihil wrote:
And I'm sure I'm not alone in this, but Alex's "everyone is gone" at the end of #22 still doesn't make any sense to me. For starters, obviously, there's Jay, who is clearly not gone. Maybe he was at some point. He admitted that he has gaps in his memory of himself during the original Marble Hornets shootings. Just how large were those? Did he disappear for a while, and simply not remember it? Wouldn't you think such a large chunk of memory missing would have Jay raising some eyebrows?

For that matter, what's the deal with Jay getting the tapes from Alex? This has been bothering me for a long time. I assume that this happens pretty quickly after Alex says he's going to burn them all in #22. Wouldn't he be like "whoa hey wait, Jay, you're alright?" Unless he didn't recognize it as Jay, of course...


Alex may have assumed that everyone was gone because the only thing he knew at that point was the tape on Seth's camera. Between the end of 22 and the start of 51, Alex may have become influenced by the Operator. Alex's memory is still intact (since it is being blocked by the Operator), so the Operator would know how to lure Brian into the trap.

Minihil wrote:
There is a very large disconnect between what happened during the original shooting of Marble Hornets and everything that's happened since Jay started investigating the tapes. Personally, I believe this to be a result of even more memory loss, which was somehow undone by Jay opening the "case" back up again. Much in the same way that Amy taking out Alex's old camera caused The Operator to show up at their house suddenly. I don't think the timing of these things are just a coincidence.

It seems like there's a certain point where things just stop being weird entirely. It seemed as though Jay had little trouble tracking Tim down for #15. Was Tim living normally again until Jay found him and brought up Marble Hornets again? Maybe he had no clue where Alex went, so "exacting revenge" for what he apparently did to Brian wasn't possible until Jay gave him another lead three years later?

For that matter, since Tim is alive after what happened, could it be assumed that Brian also is?


Brian and Tim were not involved in the Operator stuff at all. Alex and Jay definitely were. I wonder if the attack is more of a reset, and the reset is broken if you are surrounding yourself with Operator stuff. Hence Alex's drawings of the Operator. Brian never would have gained back those memories because he didn't have any mementos, and Seth probably didn't keep any of Alex's tapes. Actually, that would explain how Tim started going all masky RIGHT AFTER Jay interviewed him.

One last thing too. The tape in the red tower was planted by someone, and it happened to make Alex look totally innocent in the whole ordeal. It is possible that Alex planted it there (especially if he is ToTheArk) to draw Jay away from the truth.

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First post! I've been a lurker for a while, but I created an account just because I wanted to do so before season 3 kicked off, and I've got a feeling it will soon Very Happy

I don't have too many theories right now, honestly. I'm playing with the idea that Brian isn't dead--the way Tim seemed to be being held there seemed to imply that the big O doesn't eat his victims so much as feed off their life force/memory/chakra or what have you, hence Alex having to keep them alive and knowing for a fact that Amy is still alive.

If this is so, then it makes me think that Alex was trying to lead Jay there as well, but never succeeded, or managed to (temporarily) shuck the Operator's influence and give time for the memorywipe that occurred.

Emotionally, this entry takes me in two different directions: one is "Oh my God, they have no idea what they're doing they're retconning and everything is going to turn into a big tangled mess hrnghrnrgh" and the other is "This is brilliant! The plot is becoming deeper and deeper in a way that everything will work out even though I don't know how yet!" and I'm not sure what's making me think these things, but I hope it's the latter that's true and not the former...

Wow, posting my own "theory". Feels kind of strange. Laughing


Pardon me for quoting myself, but it won't let me "reply post" it just links back to the main forum index. Anyone else having this problem or am I just being a derp?

I just wanted to ask, when's the first time we know Alex is alive during the 7 month gap? Is it when he sends the tape in 26? I feel like knowing how he contacts Jay/finds out Jay is alive and well might be important (I can't seem to remember how it starts).

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realize that in season 1 nothing was planned as in depth as it is now, so not everything in season 1 can be taken as canon (such as the way alex reacted to things in entry 22)

also LOL at the guy who believed masky face painted jay in return

hopefully troseph realizes that we want answers at this point and that the finale should at least tell us one big thing, like who totheark is or why jay is the only one who can help them

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Rhea wrote:
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First post! I've been a lurker for a while, but I created an account just because I wanted to do so before season 3 kicked off, and I've got a feeling it will soon Very Happy

I don't have too many theories right now, honestly. I'm playing with the idea that Brian isn't dead--the way Tim seemed to be being held there seemed to imply that the big O doesn't eat his victims so much as feed off their life force/memory/chakra or what have you, hence Alex having to keep them alive and knowing for a fact that Amy is still alive.

If this is so, then it makes me think that Alex was trying to lead Jay there as well, but never succeeded, or managed to (temporarily) shuck the Operator's influence and give time for the memorywipe that occurred.

Emotionally, this entry takes me in two different directions: one is "Oh my God, they have no idea what they're doing they're retconning and everything is going to turn into a big tangled mess hrnghrnrgh" and the other is "This is brilliant! The plot is becoming deeper and deeper in a way that everything will work out even though I don't know how yet!" and I'm not sure what's making me think these things, but I hope it's the latter that's true and not the former...

Wow, posting my own "theory". Feels kind of strange. Laughing


Pardon me for quoting myself, but it won't let me "reply post" it just links back to the main forum index. Anyone else having this problem or am I just being a derp?

I just wanted to ask, when's the first time we know Alex is alive during the 7 month gap? Is it when he sends the tape in 26? I feel like knowing how he contacts Jay/finds out Jay is alive and well might be important (I can't seem to remember how it starts).
I can post just fine myself, so I'm not sure what's happening on your end.

To anwser your quest to the best of my knowledge, Alex was in the help me video from entry 26 (season 1 finale) which was dated for April 4th. He then next shows up a couple days later when Jay gets to the house, and that's when he broke Tim's leg. That was entry 35.

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Guys, honestly... If the HD nature of this entry bothers you so much, just watch it in 480 mode.

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Sylocat wrote:
Is the Big Twist going to be that the Operator isn't so bad after all, and Alex's Dark Half is the real baddie?


So big camera freak-out in the tunnel was a Big No over Bruce?

I don't buy it, but I like the mental image. Smile

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I wonder if Jay watched this right after he got it. If so, it puts the post-theft tapes in a whole new light, suddenly "are we just here to tell ghost stories" becomes less "I am dubious about the significance of this adventure so long after you said you were done with me" and more "COME AT ME BRO!"

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Alriiiiiight, finally.

This entry was interesting to me because it suggests there's something deeper going on with the original "Marble Hornets" movie.

I don't know about the whole "Alex brings Slendy his Slendysnacks" theory, though. Right now, thanks to Alex's emotionless creeptasticity, I'm thinking Alex is just killing his actors and crew members himself. I mean, in the early MH entries, Alex consistently runs from Slendy. It's possible he does here, too. After Slendy looms up on Brian, Brian picks up the camera, looking for Alex, who may have run off. Maybe Slendy is a manifestation of his guilt, and he's constantly trying to outrun it. Or something.

I don't know, I keep kind of wanting Slendy to be a benevolent(ish) force, mainly because I think he's adorable. I still feel like Alex is really the bad guy here, and that The Big O is a symptom, rather than a cause of his bad deeds.

Also, did anyone else think Slendy looked a little weird when he first appears in full? Like his pants weren't quite fitting right?

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