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SoItBegins
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Hmm.
Well, I know what has to be done this time. The only problem I'm having is actually doing it.

EDIT: I have the right keywords, and the right grids, but decoding yields a muddle.

SECOND EDIT: I got it. Moderate hint:

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You can either choose to ignore J, or Q. Choose Q.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:34 am
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 		Tried it like ten times. This is what I get but it makes no sense:

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BSWTUITP LCUSBU


PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:04 am
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 		Whereas I get,
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cryqtiqsnaster
. Similarly meaningless...

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:07 am
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SoItBegins
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 		Guest #1: I think you have the wrong keywords. One should be longer than the other.

Guest #2: You're almost there! Just check your figures.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:12 am
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guest3
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I got the same as guest 2

do you mind "spoilering" what I am doing wrong here?

I have been at this for over an hour and would like to go to bed

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my two keys are foursqaebcdghiklmnptvwxyz and
ciphersabdfgklmnoqtuvwxyz Is that right?


PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:21 am
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guest5
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 		having trouble too
I used this website
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http://www.cryptool-online.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=79&Itemid=89&lang=en


and I tried with with

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this pair of keywords:
puzzling pizzeria

and this pair
foursquare ciphers


but got back unanagramable nonsense. I also tried rot13 before the cipher, which didn't help, so I tried rot13 on the results of the cipher instead and that didn't help either. unanagrammable nonsense[/spoiler]

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:22 am
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guest3
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sorry thats not right

this is what i meant

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my two keys are foursaebcdghijklmnptvwxyz and
ciphersabdfgjklmnotuvwxyz . That is with ignoring Q like you said.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:25 am
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guest5
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 		and it's really frustrating that none of the clues told me anything I hadn't already figured out

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:27 am
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Nylund
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 		guest #2: You basically have it. Your cipher is off because there are only 25 letters in the cipher, but 26 in the alphabet. One letter has to be dropped out of the alphabet. The first spoiler should help you there.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:28 am
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Gramps
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 		I had the answer an hour ago, but
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
due to it including a made up word
did not get it.

I don't know where I got the idea, but I was under the impression that
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the answers were supposed to be actual words (although the neologism in Nothing to See Here may be seen as already having voided that pact of the social compact)
.

Other than this, I thought this was a well made puzzle; with it, it was poor.
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(If made up words and neologisms are to be common, this needs to be formally acknowledged.)


PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:29 am
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guest3
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 		okay i got it

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my keys were correct but the site i was using wasn't decrypting correctly. The site that guest5 suggested works better.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:40 am
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SoItBegins
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 		I honestly don't think neologisms are something to complain about... they serve as a bit of uniqueness. M also never specified the word or phrase would be in the dictionary.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:59 am
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caf
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 		Heh, I'm with SoItBegins.

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Both neologisms so far were pretty much just compound words for *exactly* what the text describes - at least for me, they've leapt out every bit as much as real words. If M sticks with neologisms with well-known word roots that continue to match the theme so perfectly then I'm all for some word-play fun.

Honestly, I'd say w/o that minor cuteness it was a pretty lame week. Here is the *name* of the cipher and a direct suggestion you Google it. Here are two words I'm *labeling keywords*. Now go. (If you do it by hand you might make enough errors to doubt yourself, but... BLEH.)

(It was fairly easy to miss that there was ambiguity over which letter should be dropped. I think it would have been a tad clever had a non-traditional lttr been dropped and similar hints to guide us givn.)


If you imagined some social compact or rule, now you have *two* puzzles to warn you that it doesn't actually exist Wink I'd care more about such a rule if we weren't allowed infinite guesses.

Though if the next answer is "Ghekkerpo" (by which he means "sneaker with golden shoelaces") THEN I'll be with Gramps. Especially if it's an anagram.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:34 am
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The Baffled King
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 		I too think that a made-up but plausible word improves the puzzle. Makes it impossible for the 250-bonus seekers to guess!

Here's what I found challenging:
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Even when I saw that there was a kind of cipher called 'foursquare', there were quite a few possible keys, so I couldn't be confident that it wasn't just an odd coincidence that there is a cipher with that name. Until I guessed the keys, that is.


I did by hand what some solvers found a web site to do automagically. How much time do you think you saved by using the web site?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:10 am
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drakono
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 		I tried the site, but if I made the site, I'd have included an option to choose the letter(s) to drop/combine. Since it didn't have that, and I didn't know what it was doing under the hood, I did it manually. Might have cost me as much as 5 minutes, but I'm not one of those folks who stays up late to do this, so I wasn't racing. (Just had to finish today for 50 bonus points.) Plus, I didn't know this cipher, so it was a good learning exercise.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:35 am
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