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OnyxW
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 		Hidden NRU folders
Hi all!

Recently I've found that some of the pages exist in two versions in hidden folders. For example:
http://www.nru.us/coe.htm
and
http://www.nru.us/coe/coe.htm
Same happens with "cos", "administration" and probably other documents as well. The two documents doesn't exactly match, but they are very similar, with the same text, etc.
I wonder if it's important or not.
Btw I was not "just trying", they are all linked in somewhere on the page and used.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 6:51 pm
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OnyxW
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 		Booyah
Check these sites:
http://www.nru.us/coe/
http://www.nru.us/cos/
Both give the following:
Booyah!
<<(((><
Magesteff noticed it after I mentioned the directories.

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addlepated
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 		I noticed that a couple of months ago and sent in a bug report via the NRU submission form, but it never got changed. Guess the public attention spurred them to action. Wink

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MageSteff
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 		Booyah!
addlepated wrote:
I noticed that a couple of months ago and sent in a bug report via the NRU submission form, but it never got changed. Guess the public attention spurred them to action. Wink


Yeah, but it is also a lot like the Movie quote folders in the purge log. I am thinking Reggie/Marcus/John may have left quite a few of these now.

Caretaker and whomever else mentioned being able to walk in the open front door, looks like they also left us a fish dinner too.

Which leads to the spec: maybe the Crossword clues are folders/files in these newly discovered areas or may come into play later.
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drizjr
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 		QUESTION: to post or not to post
I found several other nru pages that seem to be from part of the PM’s original design stage. Or could they have been left up for us to find; to show the “in-game” nru webmaster’s process?
Do I post them or leave them be? I’m not sure. Wink

driz

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MageSteff
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 		Re: QUESTION: to post or not to post
drizjr wrote:
I found several other nru pages that seem to be from part of the PM's original design stage. Or could they have been left up for us to find; to show the "in-game" nru webmaster's process?
Do I post them or leave them be? I'm not sure. Wink

driz


Put them up Driz. I'd like somethig to do while I count cards.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:35 pm
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drizjr
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 		NRU "notsure" https
After OnyxW posted this…
Quote:
Recently I've found that some of the pages exist in two versions in hidden folders. For example:
http://www.nru.us/coe.htm
and
http://www.nru.us/coe/coe.htm
Same happens with "cos", "administration" and probably other documents as well. The two documents doesn't exactly match, but they are very similar, with the same text, etc.

I tried this…
http://www.nru.us/cos.htm
and found that the mathematics and physics links, lead here…
http://www.nru.us/notsure/mathematics.htm
http://www.nru.us/notsure/MathFac.htm
and here…
http://www.nru.us/notsure/physics.htm
http://www.nru.us/notsure/PhysFac.htm
They look like the rough drafts of the existing pages at NRU
Being the curious sort, I kept looking and found…..
http://www.nru.us/notsure/archeology.htm
(http://www.nru.us/notsure/archfac.htm is 404)
http://www.nru.us/notsure/compsci.htm
http://www.nru.us/notsure/CompScifac.htm
http://www.nru.us/notsure/aerospace.htm
http://www.nru.us/notsure/aerofac.htm
http://www.nru.us/notsure/architecture.htm
http://www.nru.us/notsure/archfac1.htm
They all look like pages under construction. Especially because of the /notsure/.
Just a peek back in time at the design phase of the NRU pages?
driz

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MageSteff
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 		Re: NRU "notsure" https
drizjr wrote:
After OnyxW posted this…
Quote:
Recently I've found that some of the pages exist in two versions in hidden folders.

I tried this…
http://www.nru.us/cos.htm
and found that the mathematics and physics links, lead here…
http://www.nru.us/notsure/mathematics.htm
http://www.nru.us/notsure/MathFac.htm
and here…
http://www.nru.us/notsure/physics.htm
...Just a peek back in time at the design phase of the NRU pages?
driz


On some it does look that way...
but for the physics page there is a note about the final delivery of equipment being delayed. The building was originaly scheduled to be opened last year(?) per in game info. If it was just a draft copy, why include that bit of info. I think the number of pages are meant to throw us off, but there is still info that could be important.

I'll be compareing these for the next few days with the "visible" ones, I'll give you a complete breakdown of the findings then. Watch this space for edits and additions.

*Edit*
Not sure folder, comparisons (quick and dirty):

Look identical on the surface and inclue some links.
http://www.nru.us/notsure/mathematics.htm
http://www.nru.us/notsure/MathFac.htm
http://www.nru.us/notsure/PhysFac.htm

Look Identical but no links:
http://www.nru.us/notsure/compsci.htm
http://www.nru.us/notsure/CompScifac.htm
http://www.nru.us/notsure/aerofac.htm
http://www.nru.us/notsure/aerospace.htm
http://www.nru.us/notsure/archfac1.htm


http://www.nru.us/notsure/archeology.htm (and others in the notsure forlder) has just the picture and no blurb and no links back to the other sections. But it still has the webbot bot (not certain if it is important) or if it has to do with the cookie: <!--webbot bot="Navigation" S-Orientation="horizontal" S-Rendering="html" S-Type="children" B-Include-Home="TRUE" B-Include-Up="TRUE" S-Btn-Nml="[&A HREF=&#URL#& TARGET=&#TARGET#& STYLE=&{text-decoration: none;}&&#LABEL#&/A&]" S-Btn-Sel="[#LABEL#]" S-Btn-Sep="&nbsp;" S-Bar="Brackets" startspan --><!--webbot bot="Navigation" i-checksum="0" endspan -->

note that the i-checksum="0" in the visible pages webbot : i-checksum="300" (Archaeology), i-checksum="3873" (Mathematics), i-checksum="45964" (Physics), i-checksum="58282" (Architecture), and on the others as well, this is just a sampling. Again may not be important, just making the comparison.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 2:44 pm
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 		Please check back over this. We are looking for the front door approach. I can't help with this part but I know there is information accessable through NRU and not just backdoor.

Please look at it all again.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 12:11 am
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 		I agree. i wouls check all the pages but i do't know what to do or how recently they were checked. The page
nru.us/administration/
gives a different error message than other pages that just say page not available. But I don't know what to do here. Anybody with a spare few minutes want to help?

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newguy wrote:
I agree. i wouls check all the pages but i do't know what to do or how recently they were checked. The page
nru.us/administration/
gives a different error message than other pages that just say page not available. But I don't know what to do here. Anybody with a spare few minutes want to help?


That error "Directory Listing Denied" (or specifically HTTP response code 403) implies that the folder is there, but there is no default document (such as index.html or index.php) and the server is configured to NOT simply return a list of files in that folder. The file administration.htm exists in that folder (the link is in the navbar on the site's main page). In theory, there could be countless files hidden in that folder (or any other with directory listing disabled, for that matter).

Personally, I have tried a number of common filenames and subfolder names throughout the NRU website and have found nothing. There have been hidden folders/files there before (as I have read in the guide and the Wiki), but without a specific clue, it is hard to search for anything more than the dozen or two common folder and file names.
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 		BriEnigma- Thanks for joining and looking into that question. Should we post if we find similar 403 errors? I am not a programmer either but I think I should become one.
Your organized information is a helpful addition. I will try to look for hidden pages too. But I guess if the 8141 (John, java or whatever) clue isn't helpful and we can't solve the crossword, and we don't know what to do with the ID's given at the ARG, we are down to random combinations.

I found reading the chat log in their entirety to be helpful and not that time consuming- esp. the Caretaker logs. The summaries are great but helps to get the context. The chat with Jake shows his surprise at us not knowing who caretaker is.

Rose

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 		Pep talk.
rose wrote:
BriEnigma- Thanks for joining and looking into that question. Should we post if we find similar 403 errors? I am not a programmer either but I think I should become one....
Rose


Rose, I'm not a programmer either ( which is funny when I think about it the people at work think I know all about computers), Usually when I come across something that looks different, I just copy and paste it here and let the experts tell me what it means. If it is nothing they let me know and it is is something they wait until it bites them on the nose. Right AnthraX101? Laughing Laughing Laughing (Why NO, I will not let you forget that one for a while Razz ) We each have areas where we may know enough or have bits of trivia that will spark a connection somewhere. You have them thinking Rose, and that is always good. Wink

The most important tool we have to solving the vast array of puzzles and threads, is that we work cooperatively together, helping each other over the rough places. For you and me those rough areas that might be programming, for others it may be talking to the characters, or doing research into background information. We are stronger together as a group than our various areas of interest would seem to be.
Welcome aboard all those just joining us, I'm glad those who decided to stick after Metacotechs are moving over to our team, and welcome back all those who went on vacation this last month while we have been on hold.

Please check all fuel tanks and top them off now, do any maintenace that needs doing and will someone please go proofread the wiki trail - anyone can edit and add to it, I have been doing what I can as I have time, but let me say again, ANYONE can add to and edit the WIKI, it does not belong to me, in fact Sapagoo set it up for the Pre-game, long before I joined Unfiction and the ARG community. It is a group resource, feel free to edit it, add to it, beautify it as you desire.
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 		So there is no way to access these files that may be in the directory? (which may be helpful or not) Does that mean that these files are most likely just the list of administrators that are in the campus files?

Is there a list of the types of error pages that I should be sure to post when I come across them in the game?

Thanks
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rose wrote:
So there is no way to access these files that may be in the directory? (which may be helpful or not) Does that mean that these files are most likely just the list of administrators that are in the campus files?


A directory that gives that message (the HTTP response code 403) will not tell you what (if any) files are in the directory. It is kind of a [weak] security feature and pretty common across the internet. If there are files in the folder, you will need to know their exact name. For instance, the administration folder contains administration.htm. How do I know? Because the nav bar on the front page has a link pointing there. It may contain other files as well. Often a file like that has its image resources in the same folder (in this case not--they are in the root /images directory). I have not seen any other HTML files references resources in the /administration folder, but there very well could be other files there. Of course, I have not really seen any clues or hints (or had a "gut feeling") that there would be anything else in that folder.

It seems that /administration is used by the stuffy people in the front office. If anything was hidden, I might expect it to be in /cos (College of Sciences, specifically the Physics department). It seems the "Booya!" fish thing was found in /cos as the default HTML file. If that file had not been there, we would have gotten the same 403 response you see in /administration. So...there very well could be other things hidden there. There could just as easily not be things hidden there. It's hard to tell, but certainly worth a little investigation.

I hope that all made sense. I tried to explain things in as non-technical a way as possible, but I have been familiar with the hypertext transfer specification for so long it's hard to gauge what people already know or can pick up on easily and what needs lots of explaining. It all seems like second nature to me. Wink Let me know if anything needs more explaining.
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