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Merpston
Greenhorn

Joined: 05 Jul 2014
Posts: 7
Location: Maryland

 		Re: Contacting Latitude Google site
possible dead end
Madrone wrote:
Like a lot of you I saw The Institute on Netflix very recently. I was utterly confused. But I saw the credits, did a search, and landed here. Let me admit right now that I had no idea what an "ARG" was until reading the stickies here a few days ago and looking it up on the wiki. So forgive my ignorance, this is all brand spankin' new to me. I'm a software engineer and my bread and butter is web security (threats, vectors, exploits, defenses etc.) and I'm most comfortable wearing the white hat. However, curiosity got the better of me so I switched sides a little bit just to poke around on thelatitude.com. Yes it felt awkward at first...

I also looked at the google site by the same name. It's totally unrelated. Leave the poor high school kids alone. However thelatitude.com is the real thing. It's being set up by Nonchalance. From what I can tell the site is still in a beta testing phase. The general idea is the prospect receives an invitation to join the society. He or she enters a pass phrase in the three input fields provided. There are then a series of disclaimers generally warning the prospect not to go around blabbing about the Society. (I will honor that by not posting screenshots or saying too much.) The prospect is given a key (yes a physical one!) and sets up a specific time to go to a certain physical location. There is a very important clue (again I won't be specific here) that the prospect must obtain from the physical location and input back into the web site to unlock the next phase of the game.

So no one here needs to worry that the train has left the station without them. Might as well relax and give Nonchalance the time it needs to finish its testing. When they're ready I'm sure a goon will knock on your door at 3 AM and hand you some sort of elaborate scroll. Smile

While I'm here let me give a huge shout out to Jeff Hull and his team. I watched the documentary twice and I felt I understood what he was trying to do. I appreciated the Web 1.0 and analog details that pervaded his game. I share his concern about the current "Geography of Nowhere" in which many of us currently live. He used the real world as a stage to get us off of our stupid devices and to engage with the built environment at a human scale rather than whizzing by everything in a car like an idiot. Yes, the whole Jejune thing was a tongue-in-cheek swipe at the New Age movement and the sad commodification that has come out of it. But there was also an underlying truth to the message. "Nonchalance" is that effortless way of being when we stop trying to figure things out for ourselves, let go, and let the universe guide us in subtle ways. Yogis and Buddhists know this path. And I've already gone on too long.


Ah, I see. Thank you for clearing things up. I feel like a bit of a jerk now. I totally agree with what you're saying too.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 2:58 pm
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AliceTheProtagonist
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Thank You So Much @Madrone ....I really appreciate you both honoring the integrity of the game, while also clearing some things up and alleviating some tensions/paranoia on here...can't wait for the kick off of the game Very Happy

PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:03 pm
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sparkbugg
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Joined: 08 Jul 2014
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 		Can someone start a wiki or mindmap?
Saw The Institute last night. Now pulled in.
.
I think we should have a site to compile all the clues. Hopefully one where we can all add, with images. Maybe a mind map or something. Of course continue to talk about everything here, but then have a handy link to the evolving reference page.
.
I was impressed by Madrone's posting. He seems to know a lot, and may be admin doing damage control (oops...some innocent HS kids being dragged in, like the apt complex being called...someone needs to jump in and fix that).
.
Turns out there is an art bar in SF called Madrone: from their site:
Madrone Art Bar is more than a bar: it is a constantly changing site-specific installation art environment where two and three-dimensional works, multi-media, and performance are combined to form an aesthetic constellation that affects attendees' perceptions from the moment they enter the place.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:17 am
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entoptic
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 		Re: Contacting Latitude Google site
possible dead end
Madrone wrote:
Like a lot of you I saw The Institute on Netflix very recently. I was utterly confused. But I saw the credits, did a search, and landed here. Let me admit right now that I had no idea what an "ARG" was until reading the stickies here a few days ago and looking it up on the wiki. So forgive my ignorance, this is all brand spankin' new to me. I'm a software engineer and my bread and butter is web security (threats, vectors, exploits, defenses etc.) and I'm most comfortable wearing the white hat. However, curiosity got the better of me so I switched sides a little bit just to poke around on thelatitude.com. Yes it felt awkward at first...

I also looked at the google site by the same name. It's totally unrelated. Leave the poor high school kids alone. However thelatitude.com is the real thing. It's being set up by Nonchalance. From what I can tell the site is still in a beta testing phase. The general idea is the prospect receives an invitation to join the society. He or she enters a pass phrase in the three input fields provided. There are then a series of disclaimers generally warning the prospect not to go around blabbing about the Society. (I will honor that by not posting screenshots or saying too much.) The prospect is given a key (yes a physical one!) and sets up a specific time to go to a certain physical location. There is a very important clue (again I won't be specific here) that the prospect must obtain from the physical location and input back into the web site to unlock the next phase of the game.

So no one here needs to worry that the train has left the station without them. Might as well relax and give Nonchalance the time it needs to finish its testing. When they're ready I'm sure a goon will knock on your door at 3 AM and hand you some sort of elaborate scroll. Smile

While I'm here let me give a huge shout out to Jeff Hull and his team. I watched the documentary twice and I felt I understood what he was trying to do. I appreciated the Web 1.0 and analog details that pervaded his game. I share his concern about the current "Geography of Nowhere" in which many of us currently live. He used the real world as a stage to get us off of our stupid devices and to engage with the built environment at a human scale rather than whizzing by everything in a car like an idiot. Yes, the whole Jejune thing was a tongue-in-cheek swipe at the New Age movement and the sad commodification that has come out of it. But there was also an underlying truth to the message. "Nonchalance" is that effortless way of being when we stop trying to figure things out for ourselves, let go, and let the universe guide us in subtle ways. Yogis and Buddhists know this path. And I've already gone on too long.


Hi Madrone! Welcome to the game. I just had to comment on your actions. I work in IT and I find it highly unethical to gain access to a website that you don't already have permission to access. The makers of this adventure spent years creating it and we as players are looking forward to playing it. When you release info that isn't already public knowledge you ruin the game for the makers and the players. Please in the future if you choose to obtain info ask yourself if the community wants to hear it before posting because you may find out that we might not want to know as it could spoil the surprise.

Anyway enough of the blah blah ethics blah blah. Welcome to the game and I hope to meet you and everyone else in person sometime soon on a crazy adventure!

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:02 pm
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Merpston
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Joined: 05 Jul 2014
Posts: 7
Location: Maryland

 		Re: Can someone start a wiki or mindmap?
sparkbugg wrote:
Saw The Institute last night. Now pulled in.
.
I think we should have a site to compile all the clues. Hopefully one where we can all add, with images. Maybe a mind map or something. Of course continue to talk about everything here, but then have a handy link to the evolving reference page.
.
I was impressed by Madrone's posting. He seems to know a lot, and may be admin doing damage control (oops...some innocent HS kids being dragged in, like the apt complex being called...someone needs to jump in and fix that).
.
Turns out there is an art bar in SF called Madrone: from their site:
Madrone Art Bar is more than a bar: it is a constantly changing site-specific installation art environment where two and three-dimensional works, multi-media, and performance are combined to form an aesthetic constellation that affects attendees' perceptions from the moment they enter the place.


I really like the idea of a site compiling all the clues. Maybe a tumblr or something similar. I'm sure this thread will keep blowing up in the future with newcomers solving things we already know.

Also, as far as Madrone goes, coincidence?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:32 pm
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Madrone
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Joined: 05 Jul 2014
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 		Re: Contacting Latitude Google site
possible dead end
entoptic wrote:

Hi Madrone! Welcome to the game. I just had to comment on your actions. I work in IT and I find it highly unethical to gain access to a website that you don't already have permission to access. The makers of this adventure spent years creating it and we as players are looking forward to playing it. When you release info that isn't already public knowledge you ruin the game for the makers and the players. Please in the future if you choose to obtain info ask yourself if the community wants to hear it before posting because you may find out that we might not want to know as it could spoil the surprise.

Anyway enough of the blah blah ethics blah blah. Welcome to the game and I hope to meet you and everyone else in person sometime soon on a crazy adventure!


Yes let me agree that what I did was wrong. I would never do anything malicious but I had no right to access the site in the way that I did. I know why I did it: having just seen The Institute I got excited about that little teaser at the end. But it was unethical nonetheless. I apologize to Nonchalance and to all of you here. About an hour after my post I was contacted by one of the developers. I gave him all the info and steps to reproduce the exploit so that he could harden the site which he promptly did. If I ever go down this rabbit hole of a game in the future it will be on the level.

As for the Madrone Bar I can neither confirm nor deny my involvement with that establishment at this time.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:52 pm
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Inlow
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Joined: 16 Jun 2014
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 		Contacted by the developers
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About an hour after my post I was contacted by one of the developers


So we're to believe the developers are watching this thread, perhaps as a lurker or as an active contributor? If true, we all must seem rather more jejune than nonchalant, with our grasping after leads and desperation for ground-floor involvement.

OR... now hear me out.... OR... Madrone's full of it. Or perhaps even proactively misleading everyone in this thread in order to serve a specific agenda.

PARANOIAAAAA!!!!!

...
I'll just go back to reading this dog-eared Pynchon now.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:16 pm
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sparkbugg
Boot

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 		Re: Contacting Latitude Google site
possible dead end
Madrone wrote:


Yes let me agree that what I did was wrong.


Was it wrong? I am not so sure. Was it illegal? Also not sure.

We are trying to solve a mystery here, and encouraged to go about it in non-traditional ways. In fact, some game-masters hide clues in source code. Perhaps we are supposed to hack certain sites.

Heck, even the Induction began with the instruction to not go in the drawer, when clearly folks were supposed to.

I say, seek on. They can either lock the doors, or ask us to leave (as they did). We need to keep looking up, with less fear.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:46 pm
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Offero
Boot

Joined: 22 Apr 2014
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 		We know that the folks at nonchalance are aware of the unforums and paid some amount of attention to them during the Games of Nonchalance because they have commented on their reactions to what folks here did and how they reached out to try and limit "hacking" of their sites and encourage folks to play along. So I do not find Madrone's posts unlikely or suspicious. I'll admit I did consider the possibility that Madrone was a Nonchalance plant sent to calm things down, since that initial post WAS very timely to that end, but only very briefly. What Madrone described seems very much in line with how Nonchalance has worked in the past, whereas they do not seem to have worked to stoke the kind of paranoia that we are starting to see here Smile

Remember the point is to get out, have an adventure, explore and play. We are all excited and looking for clues in likely and unlikely places, but let's all try to minimize the damage we do along the way. In the game of Geocaching there are containers made to look like sprinkler heads, but there is a difference between examining a sprinkler to see if it seems fake and disassembling every spinkler head you find.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:55 pm
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Curiouser
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Joined: 24 Jun 2014
Posts: 7

 		Contact
Inlow wrote:
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About an hour after my post I was contacted by one of the developers


So we're to believe the developers are watching this thread, perhaps as a lurker or as an active contributor? If true, we all must seem rather more jejune than nonchalant, with our grasping after leads and desperation for ground-floor involvement.

OR... now hear me out.... OR... Madrone's full of it. Or perhaps even proactively misleading everyone in this thread in order to serve a specific agenda.

PARANOIAAAAA!!!!!

...
I'll just go back to reading this dog-eared Pynchon now.


There is no doubt they are watching/checking in on this thread. In fact, on an old /howtoplay for Jejune (which I found through an earlier google search), players are directed to unfiction for "tips and tricks" on playing.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:58 pm
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meannie
Kilroy

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 		Entry
I've been trying for a few hours to think of what the passwords could be. Judging by the CSS there is a lot of functionality built into the site behind this entry page... Wonder what it will take to get invited!

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:16 pm
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Merpston
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Joined: 05 Jul 2014
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Location: Maryland

 		I'm starting to wonder if this game has even started yet. I was getting the impression that things were still being set up. When I went to https://thelatitude.com/book/1 then click on the lower right hand tab labeled "initiated", it takes to another login page for current members. Not knowing any names or passwords, I decided to try the ol' "Request Password Rest". From there I provided my email. After that, some dummy text symbols popped up at the top of the screen. Translated to the usual, "lorem ipsum sit dolor".

Now if I'm not mistaken, that just placeholder text right? Meaning something might come along to take it's place?

I'm sure this was pointed out already too.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:26 pm
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sparkbugg
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Offero wrote:
In the game of Geocaching there are containers made to look like sprinkler heads, but there is a difference between examining a sprinkler to see if it seems fake and disassembling every spinkler head you find.


Good point. I think I was impusively reacting to how guilty Madrone seemed to be feeling, and felt an urge to soothe him.

Anyway, I think it is OK to dissemble the sprinkler head that says "Look in here," just as long you reassemble it. But we may still have to poke around every sprinkler head since some of them will be geocaches.

What I do wish Madrone did was indicate "SPOILER ALERT."

He did go up on the magician's stage to examine the empty box, but happened to use his x-ray glasses, and then whispered to the folks around him that there is rabbit waiting underneath the table.

It may be better that he and others say "I think I know what happens next if you care to know."

This also begs the question: how much does Nonchalance want/expect us to work/experience this together as a team, versus individually.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:40 pm
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MayorSmiles
Kilroy

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 		Re: Latitude
Is this still going on? Have people been able to figure out the password?

I just want to know if I can start down this rabbit hole now.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:12 pm
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MayorSmiles
Kilroy

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 		Latitude password page
okay, so i have been trying to break this thing.

I requested to reset my password and I gave it my email (mind you i have not set up anything with them)

i got a series of symbols that popped up on the top of the page. they translate to: lorem ipsum sit dolor

here is a link a screen shot : http://imgur.com/eeGJmtD

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