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paladin181 · Unfettered Joined: 14 Nov 2011 Posts: 502

I think the biggest contention is the use of poetic irony as.. irony. A dog catcher that's mauled by a wolf, for instance. That's poetic justice, called poetic irony as the dog catcher met his end from an animal so similar to those he catches. Irony in its literal definition though is sarcasm. "Oh, that's GREAT." after a tree limb breaks a person's windshield. That statement is irony. The event is nothing but unfortunate.

**Posted:** Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:43 pm

Grumplestiltskin

Well, a situation can be truly ironic, too. Oxide's example of the car crash near the "Drive Safely" sign is an instance of this (the opposition here being safety vs. danger). People starving/dehydrating to death in the midst of material they don't realize is edible/potable (I've run across this theme in various forms in Science Fiction, though I'm drawing a blank at the moment to name a source) would be another. These are both unfortunate and ironic.

The problem is when people think that something merely unfortunate ("rain on your wedding day" -- sorry, I can't stop myself from harping on poor Alanis) qualifies as ironic, when no such linkage can be implied (wedding =/= day of clear skies).

But yes, nearly all sarcasm involves irony. Not all -- I've noticed that Geneaux is particularly skilled at the kind that involves understatement or dry wit. But the ironic kind of sarcasm is much more common.

I don't know if Alanis was trolling us or not, but when she wants to, she can be deliciously sarcastic. I cannot recommend highly enough her video cover of "My Humps"

**Posted:** Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:36 pm

CraicIsMighty · Unfettered Joined: 03 Aug 2011 Posts: 497

Showing Marble Hornets to friend for first time.

"Tim whines a lot"

lol

**Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:53 am

ReeseSparrow

Yes, I'd say a better example of situational irony is someone's deliberately trying to drive carefully causing the car accident.

**Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:52 am

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**Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:57 am

rand__althor · Unfettered Joined: 05 Apr 2011 Posts: 745

Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS wasn't as good an episode as I'd been hoping.

**Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:04 pm

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**Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:13 pm

Animar · Greenhorn Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Posts: 7

**Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:36 pm

onetruepurple · Unfettered Joined: 07 Jan 2011 Posts: 570

**Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:47 pm

Parietal Lobectomy

Late to the party...

**Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:11 pm

Grumplestiltskin

Re: Late to the party...

**Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:58 pm

Parietal Lobectomy

Not my intention at all, rest easy. This discussion was way more civilised than the ones he's talking about. And (rightly) critical or "Neurosis" Morissette Wink

**Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:32 pm

Geneaux486 · I Have No Life Joined: 17 Mar 2011 Posts: 2423

How to Slenderman:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/03/18031439-cops-a-decade-after-breakup-woman-tracks-down-ex-boyfriend-to-demand-20?lite

**Posted:** Fri May 03, 2013 4:49 pm

onetruepurple · Unfettered Joined: 07 Jan 2011 Posts: 570

**Posted:** Fri May 03, 2013 4:51 pm

Geneaux486 · I Have No Life Joined: 17 Mar 2011 Posts: 2423

**Posted:** Fri May 03, 2013 5:50 pm