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This is an excellent observation. I would also like to re-throw out there a suggestion I previously made that we consider Hoody's relationship with the pills as a major source of motivation and conflict for him, as well as perhaps the purpose behind his oftentimes wildly sporadic behavior changes. As far as motive, I posit he has needed (or believed he needed) the pills since first forming the Masky/Hoody team, which was most likely all the way back in 2006. This would imply, for example, that in Entry 61 he was stealing them for himself, not just to cause/film Tim's seizure. 73 certainly strongly supports this idea. As for explaining his behavior, I suggest that we could analyse the relative coherence/sanity of the TTA videos and perhaps infer whether Hoody did or did not have access to the pills during the time he made the video. From this we might possibly even be able to infer whether or not Hoody was in contact with TiMasky at the time of the video's creation.

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I would like to say that while I agree totheark's anger towards Alex may be in part rooted in what happened to Jessica (In File he refers to this as "another failure") it isn't the first time totheark shows antagonism towards Alex.

If one examines Entry #14 and it's response, Program, which I know we have quite a bit lately, Alex is shown bleeding in the former video. In Program, at the end of the video, it says "bleedmore". Since Alex was seen bleeding a little in the entry, this is presumably totheark being antagonistic towards Alex.

This isn't to say totheark's conclusion that Alex can never be fixed and is completely insane might not come at least partially from Jessica's fate, but totheark's motives around Alex must be rooted in something prior to Season 1, likely the attacks he made on the Marble Hornets crew.

In addition, Entry #45 also happens to take place before 76, but Hoody attempts to lead Alex to his death. Still, I think the idea that totheark was busy tracking Alex prior to 76 and that that's why there were no videos is a good idea, and the idea that Forecast is a response to Alex following the event is also good.
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what if hoody/tim wear the masks so you can't hear them breathing

they like to be completely silent right?

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Marble Hornets wrote:
what if hoody/tim wear the masks so you can't hear them breathing

they like to be completely silent right?


Hoody's mask would make his breathing quieter however Masky's wouldn't all that much since it's plastic. It would muffle it a little bit but it'd still be noticeable.

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Ok just roll with this and see how this fits. Since #62 Tim has been different. What if he was Masky without wearing the mask? He befriended Jay to get close to Alex, to end all this. He actually started to be friends with Jay and zip tied him up to protect him. Hoodie didn't like that his partner has strayed from him. Hoodie saved Jay and wanted to tie up Tim/masky as a loose end. Depending on what comes next it will either bust or prove my theory. If you want proof towards my theory I suggest look at TTA video File. Also its forshadowing that Jay has an alter ego too. Just hope we see it sometime soon!

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Hey guys, was going through the entries in S3 again and noticed this:
Entry 70, Alex wrote:
[1:11] Alex: Yeah. Oh, um, I forgot to tell you this the other day. I found out that one of the guys in the movie is actually from that area around your school.
[1:23] Alex: Yeah, it's someone that I got to play one of the smaller parts. We were talking about filming locations and he mentioned a few up there that you might know of.
[1:29] Alex: Yeah. When I found out, I told him that's weird, Amy's actually going to school there.


And then in Entry 75 we find out that there's the address to Amy's school in the attic Alex was staying in:

Entry 75, Jay and Tim wrote:
[5:56] Tim flips the back of the photo towards the camera. Written on the back is "I have him. 79 South Creek Road" with the Operator symbol at the bottom.
[6:00] Tim: It's gotta be talking about Alex, right?
[6:02] Jay: Either him or whoever's in the hoody. You know that address?
[6:06] Tim: No, but it shouldn't be hard to find.


Entry 77, Tim wrote:
[3:14] Tim: I looked up that address that was on the back of that picture we found in my attic.
[3:20] Tim: It's a nearby college. Probably the one that Alex went to to be with Amy. I'm going there and I am not taking you with me. Not while you're like this.


So we can assume Alex isn't referring to Tim, because Tim doesn't recognize the address. Furthermore, it would be weird for Alex to make reference to Tim and NOT Brian, since they lived near each other and had been friends for a while before the filming of Marble Hornets. So by proxy, Alex isn't referring to Brian either.

Therefore, by process of elimination, is Alex referring to Seth? Is that who "him" is in Entry #75? And what does this mean about the identity of Hoody, or whoever-it-is's relevance to the plot?

On the other hand, does this simply indicate that Hoody was able to figure out a possible location of Alex based on the information Alex let slip in Entry 70? (This is probably more likely, in which case the person Alex is referring to has no real plot relevance.)

Thoughts?
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I thought Seth helped with filming and didn't actually play a role in the film? And Brian was "the star" so I doubt Alex was referring to him. My guess Tim is again lying this time about the fact that he knew the address, after all Tim did suggest some filming locations who's to say the abandoned hospital was the only one?
It could be someone not mentioned in the series before but I highly doubt that this late in-game (unless it was a throw away comment and has no actual impact on the story).

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Either that or Sarah


Good find though, I never remembered Alex mentioning this till now Smile

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Starkley wrote:
So we can assume Alex isn't referring to Tim, because Tim doesn't recognize the address. Furthermore, it would be weird for Alex to make reference to Tim and NOT Brian, since they lived near each other and had been friends for a while before the filming of Marble Hornets. So by proxy, Alex isn't referring to Brian either.

Therefore, by process of elimination, is Alex referring to Seth? Is that who "him" is in Entry #75? And what does this mean about the identity of Hoody, or whoever-it-is's relevance to the plot?

On the other hand, does this simply indicate that Hoody was able to figure out a possible location of Alex based on the information Alex let slip in Entry 70? (This is probably more likely, in which case the person Alex is referring to has no real plot relevance.)

Thoughts?


I still think he's referring to Tim. There's plenty of places that while I know where they are, I have no idea what the address is. I don't even know the address to my own job and I'm there 5 days a week. So it's possible that Tim knew the location without knowing the address. And honestly, I thought that Alex was referring to the hospital when he was talking about places to go film, not the college.
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Good point on Tim not knowing the address. Perhaps Alex was referring to Jay. I've thought that before but not brought it up, I think. It always had seemed weird he said it was someone who played a "smaller part". Tim is the tritagonist of the student film from what we can tell and Sarah is the love interest, as well as the deuteragonist. Seth or Jay would fit. From what we know, they didn't play a part, so that actually makes them fit. Alex just had them play a small role and for the main part they did script/footage work.

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geekgirlinthefedora wrote:
Starkley wrote:
So we can assume Alex isn't referring to Tim, because Tim doesn't recognize the address. Furthermore, it would be weird for Alex to make reference to Tim and NOT Brian, since they lived near each other and had been friends for a while before the filming of Marble Hornets. So by proxy, Alex isn't referring to Brian either.

Therefore, by process of elimination, is Alex referring to Seth? Is that who "him" is in Entry #75? And what does this mean about the identity of Hoody, or whoever-it-is's relevance to the plot?

On the other hand, does this simply indicate that Hoody was able to figure out a possible location of Alex based on the information Alex let slip in Entry 70? (This is probably more likely, in which case the person Alex is referring to has no real plot relevance.)

Thoughts?


I still think he's referring to Tim. There's plenty of places that while I know where they are, I have no idea what the address is. I don't even know the address to my own job and I'm there 5 days a week. So it's possible that Tim knew the location without knowing the address. And honestly, I thought that Alex was referring to the hospital when he was talking about places to go film, not the college.


Exactly. I don't see how not knowing the address to the place automatically makes it not Tim. There are only a handful of places I know the address to. I don't see why Tim would know the name of a College if he didn't go to it, and even if he DID go to it, that's still no reason or him to know the address off the top of his head. You also have to remember all the mental activity going on. Something like an address is easily forgotten

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To these:
geekgirlinthefedora wrote:

I still think he's referring to Tim. There's plenty of places that while I know where they are, I have no idea what the address is. I don't even know the address to my own job and I'm there 5 days a week. So it's possible that Tim knew the location without knowing the address.


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Exactly. I don't see how not knowing the address to the place automatically makes it not Tim. There are only a handful of places I know the address to. I don't see why Tim would know the name of a College if he didn't go to it, and even if he DID go to it, that's still no reason or him to know the address off the top of his head. You also have to remember all the mental activity going on. Something like an address is easily forgotten


I respond in agreement with:
TheOperator wrote:
Tim is the tritagonist of the student film from what we can tell and Sarah is the love interest, as well as the deuteragonist.


Tim is definitely not just a small part on the film. Alex may have used the term "small part" as a figure of speech, but in reality Tim is significant enough to appear in almost every entry where filming is required. Reinforcing this point is that he is one of the three actors present during the Entry #20 script review session.

I also find it weird that Alex would refer to Tim in the singular as one person living in Amy's area. Tim likely lives near Brian (I think someone said they were neighbors but I haven't really looked to confirm this) and it would be weird to refer to Tim as living in the area and not Brian as well.

As far as not recognizing the college as a matter of slipping the memory, I think this is a subjective point and doesn't suffice to counter the possibility of this nameless person not being Tim. Personally, where I grew up, everyone knew the name of every college within 100 miles , and while you might recognize the exact address of a college, it's probable that you might recognize the name of the street a college is located on (or at least that it's in the area). Then again, I grew up in New York.

That said, it is true that Tim referred to the college as "nearby" and that could imply he lives in "the area around [Amy's] school" (although he doesn't give any recognition of having known of the college beforehand). So Alex could very well still be referring to Tim. It's mainly the reference of "small part" that makes me think it's neither him nor Brian.

EDIT: Additionally, "the area around your school" is a more localized term than, for example, "in your area." It gives stronger implications that the person lived relatively close to the school and would recognize it pretty easily (or at least the street, etc).
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Starkley wrote:
I also find it weird that Alex would refer to Tim in the singular as one person living in Amy's area. Tim likely lives near Brian (I think someone said they were neighbors but I haven't really looked to confirm this) and it would be weird to refer to Tim as living in the area and not Brian as well.

As far as not recognizing the college as a matter of slipping the memory, I think this is a subjective point and doesn't suffice to counter the possibility of this nameless person not being Tim. Personally, where I grew up, everyone knew the name of every college within 100 miles , and while you might recognize the exact address of a college, it's probable that you might recognize the name of the street a college is located on (or at least that it's in the area). Then again, I grew up in New York.

That said, it is true that Tim referred to the college as "nearby" and that could imply he lives in "the area around [Amy's] school" (although he doesn't give any recognition of having known of the college beforehand). So Alex could very well still be referring to Tim. It's mainly the reference of "small part" that makes me think it's neither him nor Brian.

EDIT: Additionally, "the area around your school" is a more localized term than, for example, "in your area." It gives stronger implications that the person lived relatively close to the school and would recognize it pretty easily (or at least the street, etc).


See, when Alex said that the friend was from that area, that meant that the friend was originally from Rosswood, not that he lived there now. Tim could have easily moved from Rosswood to College Town for school and then back to Rosswood sometime from 2006-2009. And based on this from #66:
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I got transferred to another facility, got into college. That's where I met Brian, the first real friend I remember having.

I take that to mean that Tim didn't meet Brian until he started college so Brian wouldn't necessarily be from Rosswood. Neither would Seth or Sarah. And Jay's very unlikely to have grown up in or near Rosswood because of what he said in #27.
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I don't know the area I'm in at all.

Despite the fact that his memory is spotty, we can't say that any of his memory further back than 2006 was affected. So if he grew up in Rosswood, he would have recognized the area. The only person that we can confirm grew up near Rosswood is Tim because I doubt that he would be sent to a hospital that far from where he lived. So most likely, the friend Alex referred to is Tim.
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See the terms "nearby" and "area around" are super subjective to me. I can say I like "nearby" a McDonald's, but the closest McDonald's is about 6 miles away from me.

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Starkley wrote:

Tim is definitely not just a small part on the film. Alex may have used the term "small part" as a figure of speech, but in reality Tim is significant enough to appear in almost every entry where filming is required. Reinforcing this point is that he is one of the three actors present during the Entry #20 script review session.


I just want to interrupt to say that Tim is a significant part of the footage that Jay found interesting/suspicious enough to share, which is a very different thing. For all we know there were hours of footage with Brian where nothing interesting happened except for the normal filming.

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Valid point. Jay did indicate that there were plenty more tapes than what he uploaded, and he only uploaded the parts relevant to the whole TO thing. The fact that Sarah barely features and yet was one of the lead characters of the film further supports this.

For that matter, it would make sense that Tim would usually be present when TO was because of his past with TO and the implication that he may have led TO to the others.

That said, there is reason to assume that Tim had a relatively prominent role in the film to begin with, because Alex saw fit to include a fair amount of his dialogue and scenes in the trailer, and based on the scenes we see he seems like he probably even had his own subplot.

Of course, all this also depends on what Alex considers "smaller".

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