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Randoman96 wrote:
I'm afraid you're the only one doing that, buddy

Everyone has their own theories and whining like a child when people dismiss yours isn't going to make a better case, you just end up looking like a child.

Tell you what, even if you are right and every single person here that disagrees with you (which appears to be everybody) is wrong, so what? What do you get out of bitching on a forum about it? Go do something else. Come back another time and mention your theory if more evidence comes up for it. If people don't take to it, then that's that. No need to derail a topic for a page and a half because you feel the need to insult everyone about it.

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When people stop considering only their preferred theory as the One True Epileptic Tree, I'll stop hammering the point home that none of us knows what the fuck's going on here. Until then, deal with it.
I'm afraid you're the only one doing that, buddy

Everyone has their own theories and whining like a child when people dismiss yours isn't going to make a better case, you just end up looking like a child.

Tell you what, even if you are right and every single person here that disagrees with you (which appears to be everybody) is wrong, so what? What do you get out of bitching on a forum about it? Go do something else. Come back another time and mention your theory if more evidence comes up for it. If people don't take to it, then that's that. No need to derail a topic for a page and a half because you feel the need to insult everyone about it.


So much this.

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Randoman96 wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
When people stop considering only their preferred theory as the One True Epileptic Tree, I'll stop hammering the point home that none of us knows what the fuck's going on here. Until then, deal with it.
I'm afraid you're the only one doing that, buddy

Everyone has their own theories and whining like a child when people dismiss yours isn't going to make a better case, you just end up looking like a child.

Tell you what, even if you are right and every single person here that disagrees with you (which appears to be everybody) is wrong, so what? What do you get out of bitching on a forum about it? Go do something else. Come back another time and mention your theory if more evidence comes up for it. If people don't take to it, then that's that. No need to derail a topic for a page and a half because you feel the need to insult everyone about it.


1. I'm not your buddy, never was, never will be.
2. I don't have to defend shit to you.
3. If I'm not getting anything out of this, neither are you. In this case, I do get to walk away and deal with people who are even more infuriating than you (though up until recently I didn't think that was possible), and let's be honest. I'm not "derailing" a topic. I had a point, which has been summarily ignored. Got anything to say about my point? Do so? Don't? Get the fuck out of the forum yourself.

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 		For the record, "buddy" means "fellow human," so if you're not his buddy, that's kinda surprising. <:D

And I think your theory has a lot of likelihood, Cougar! When it comes to totheark, I don't know what to think, but personally, my theory is that Tim is still involved to this very day, and that he's either lying about not remember or, as we say, got a separate personality. I think, if we apply that, then Jay having a separate personality is also pretty damn likely. And your points make a lot of sense!

As a matter of fact, the more I think about it, the more I see how-- narrative-wise-- Marble Hornets has been focusing on the motif of two. There's two distinct channels, two distinct masked people, two distinct antagonistic sides (totheark and Op/Alex). The Entries have two distinct styles (tapes and investigation), and the videos have two distinct styles as well (normal and BLARRGH distortion). Now, I'm not saying this is definitive, okay? This is all just speculation in the end. But if Cougar's theory is right, there is credence already.

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 		I am very skeptical of and predisposed to doubt any theories that hinge on the "multiple personalities" explanation. Not only has there been no evidence whatsoever of multiple personalities within the series, but it's such a convoluted plot device that Occam's Razor will rule out those explanations until there is adequate evidence to suggest it beyond wild mass guessing.

Also, while we're on the topic of who TTA is, there is an inconsistency that is bothering me about your theory, Draven. In this thread, you say that you think that Hoody is filming Jay during those TTA responses with footage of Jay when he was exploring Brian's house. Yet in another thread, you say this:

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I am seriously confused as to how, especially in the wake of Decay, people still think totheark is a collective.

It's...fairly obvious TTA is one person.


If Jay is TTA and is getting the footage of him from Hoody, then TTA has to be multiple people.
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Xicon wrote:
I am very skeptical of and predisposed to doubt any theories that hinge on the "multiple personalities" explanation. Not only has there been no evidence whatsoever of multiple personalities within the series, but it's such a convoluted plot device that Occam's Razor will rule out those explanations until there is adequate evidence to suggest it beyond wild mass guessing.

Also, while we're on the topic of who TTA is, there is an inconsistency that is bothering me about your theory, Draven. In this thread, you say that you think that Hoody is filming Jay during those TTA responses with footage of Jay when he was exploring Brian's house. Yet in another thread, you say this:

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I am seriously confused as to how, especially in the wake of Decay, people still think totheark is a collective.

It's...fairly obvious TTA is one person.


If Jay is TTA and is getting the footage of him from Hoody, then TTA has to be multiple people.


I can explain that last bit! o:

totheark refers to the video channel, the person editing and uploading the videos. This is what I had gathered from that, and I fully agree with the logic. Meanwhile, if Tim and Brian are totheark, then they are both editing the videos, which would still be correct with the theory of "different signatures" in the videos. This is the theory I support, personally, but either way, I find the logic sound.

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DJay32 wrote:
Xicon wrote:
I am very skeptical of and predisposed to doubt any theories that hinge on the "multiple personalities" explanation. Not only has there been no evidence whatsoever of multiple personalities within the series, but it's such a convoluted plot device that Occam's Razor will rule out those explanations until there is adequate evidence to suggest it beyond wild mass guessing.

Also, while we're on the topic of who TTA is, there is an inconsistency that is bothering me about your theory, Draven. In this thread, you say that you think that Hoody is filming Jay during those TTA responses with footage of Jay when he was exploring Brian's house. Yet in another thread, you say this:

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I am seriously confused as to how, especially in the wake of Decay, people still think totheark is a collective.

It's...fairly obvious TTA is one person.


If Jay is TTA and is getting the footage of him from Hoody, then TTA has to be multiple people.


I can explain that last bit! o:

totheark refers to the video channel, the person editing and uploading the videos. This is what I had gathered from that, and I fully agree with the logic. Meanwhile, if Tim and Brian are totheark, then they are both editing the videos, which would still be correct with the theory of "different signatures" in the videos. This is the theory I support, personally, but either way, I find the logic sound.


I suppose that is fair enough, but when I've mentioned that I feel TTA is a collective - a theory I cling to quite strongly - I've never meant that they all edit the videos. TTA is more of a faction of people united under a common goal, which increasingly seems to be the revenge killing of Alex Kralie. While only one person may edit the videos, I find that bit of information mostly irrelevant - they work together (as Entry #45 demonstrates), and that's what makes them a collective.
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Xicon wrote:
I am very skeptical of and predisposed to doubt any theories that hinge on the "multiple personalities" explanation. Not only has there been no evidence whatsoever of multiple personalities within the series, but it's such a convoluted plot device that Occam's Razor will rule out those explanations until there is adequate evidence to suggest it beyond wild mass guessing.


I fall into the camp that believes Masky is an alternate personality (or a subconscious, traumatized aspect) of Tim, but you're right, there's no *hard* evidence supporting that fact. Still, I'd like to believe it, so until there's hard evidence disproving it, it's canon in my head... Wink I used to be all into the "Jay has an alternate personality too" theory but I feel that's becoming less likely as time goes on. I kind of doubt Alex has an alter-ego; if he's doing things against his will/without knowing it, it's more likely a result of Slender-control than anything else.
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The personal attacks seem to have stopped for now, but I don't want to see them again.

pravado: This is not the first time (at least the third or fourth) that I have seen you swap insults with people because you have differing opinions with them. I don't care who started what when, stop fueling it.

Cougar: You should know better than to take other peoples' bait. I know you don't like letting it go, but you should know well that I can't just ignore it as a moderator.

Mondai: I don't know you well enough here to tell whether you're just being sarcastic or if you truly are condescending, so just consider this a blanket warning.

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Rando, same as pravado. I've often leaned towards your side of things when you used to get into it with pravado (if my memory is right?), but I'm still getting tired of it. Please be civil from now on.

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chaos_angel wrote:
Xicon wrote:
I am very skeptical of and predisposed to doubt any theories that hinge on the "multiple personalities" explanation. Not only has there been no evidence whatsoever of multiple personalities within the series, but it's such a convoluted plot device that Occam's Razor will rule out those explanations until there is adequate evidence to suggest it beyond wild mass guessing.


I fall into the camp that believes Masky is an alternate personality (or a subconscious, traumatized aspect) of Tim, but you're right, there's no *hard* evidence supporting that fact. Still, I'd like to believe it, so until there's hard evidence disproving it, it's canon in my head... Wink I used to be all into the "Jay has an alternate personality too" theory but I feel that's becoming less likely as time goes on. I kind of doubt Alex has an alter-ego; if he's doing things against his will/without knowing it, it's more likely a result of Slender-control than anything else.


While I do disagree with that, I can at least understand Tim more than some other characters. I personally think that Tim is just a pretty decent liar that manages to pull the wool over Jay's eyes (but not ours). That said we've seen two distinct sides to Tim, so it's less of a stretch.

I also certainly agree that Alex's strangeness is Operator influence over psychological dysfunction.
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 		Cougar Draven: In addition to Xicon's problem with your theory (which I guess can be solved depending on your view of what constitutes the TTA account being a collective), I don't see how the ending of Season 2 debunks Tim being TTA... like, at all.

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 		I wouldn't find it hard to believe the name TTA is what the one individual who makes/or/uploads the videos is calling himself. And that may very well be Jay himself? Personally I've seen no hard and fast evidence that TTA is actually the name of the group, even though the "maskies" may all be working together.

I, for one, really like the idea that Jay may have a secondary personality, and that that all his interactions with TTA is simply him talking to himself.
It would change the whole dynamic of the series, and makes me want to view all the TTA messages again with this in mind. Now if only he would start leaving the camera on himself again!

I also wonder, if it wouldn't simply be a secondary personality, but maybe simply Jay's own personality split in two...
For one thing, Jay (as we see him) is a very straightforward. logical sort of character. He appears to be almost a "simplified" person... even though he is the one we are constantly in communication with, he reveals very little.

Whereas TTA is extremely, wildly creative but appears to only be able to communicate in the most elliptical fashion.
So, sort of a right-brain/left-brain split type of thing.

I kind of like the idea that the maskies are so impaired that they cannot even work together to carry out an effective plan (hence the "attack Alex with a rock" plan), but they try to enlist Jay (who is nothing but determined and obsessive) to help.

OK, sorry for yammering on so long.

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Xicon wrote:
chaos_angel wrote:
Xicon wrote:
I am very skeptical of and predisposed to doubt any theories that hinge on the "multiple personalities" explanation. Not only has there been no evidence whatsoever of multiple personalities within the series, but it's such a convoluted plot device that Occam's Razor will rule out those explanations until there is adequate evidence to suggest it beyond wild mass guessing.


I fall into the camp that believes Masky is an alternate personality (or a subconscious, traumatized aspect) of Tim, but you're right, there's no *hard* evidence supporting that fact. Still, I'd like to believe it, so until there's hard evidence disproving it, it's canon in my head... Wink I used to be all into the "Jay has an alternate personality too" theory but I feel that's becoming less likely as time goes on. I kind of doubt Alex has an alter-ego; if he's doing things against his will/without knowing it, it's more likely a result of Slender-control than anything else.


While I do disagree with that, I can at least understand Tim more than some other characters. I personally think that Tim is just a pretty decent liar that manages to pull the wool over Jay's eyes (but not ours). That said we've seen two distinct sides to Tim, so it's less of a stretch.

I also certainly agree that Alex's strangeness is Operator influence over psychological dysfunction.


See? We *can* disagree without turning everyone into drama llamas! Pony?!
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 		Theory with no evidence
So, no evidence for this really, but it could make sense, or explain how and why Jay could be in TTA without knowing it. Though I'm not sure I believe it.

First Jay said on twitter that he thinks that TTA is multiple people. I took that as Word Of God that we'd missed something/were on the wrong track. So, TTA = Multiple people, identities unknown.

Second, I think that the TTA videos that do show TiMasky seem to mean that he is part of TTA, though I think we could have more evidence to show that for me to be certain. At the least, he's working with them. His having the last few tapes may have meant that that's where some of the TTA footage came from. That'd make sense at any rate.

Ok, for the part with no evidence, but could explain how Jay could be part of TTA. So The Operator causes memory loss. We know that. And we know that Alex said and/or thought that "everyone was gone" but we don't know why, as some of them are clearly still kicking around (Tim, Jay, possibly others). We have seen videos from season 1 where Jay was clearly much more involved than he had thought in Marble Hornets, and didn't remember it. So I think it would be safe to posit at least two memory losses for Jay. One during Marble Hornets filming and one at the 7 month gap. Many people suppose that Alex sacrificed the rest of the crew to save himself. I don't know that we have concrete evidence on that yet, but we have circumstantial so I'll agree with that. Alex sacrificed them somehow, resulting in them being "gone" and Jay (and some others at least) lost memories.

What if TTA used The Operator's memory removal, deliberately? What if they came up with a plan to get back at Alex, and either stop or destroy The Operator via The Ark? Like, either Alex has it or it is well protected in Rosswood park, and they cannot get at it, since that is The Operator's home turf, and well guarded by him and Alex. So TTA (with Jay as part of it) hatches a plan - they figure it all out and decide to use Jay to "sneak up" on Alex, as he was a friend at one point. They deliberately hurl Jay at The Operator and he sacrifices his memory of their plan, so that he can then unknowingly get together with Alex and hopefully find The Ark. The rest of TTA then send cryptic videos in the hopes that Jay then follows their clues or is prodded in the right direction by them, and does his part, unaware of what he is doing.

So...no real evidence to that, but I suppose it COULD happen...lol
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