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[Video] Entry #55
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VincentPain
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pravado wrote:

in 55 that part where brian walks over to the pool is probably for a scene they needed. the next part is them trying to film the next scene, not sure what the confusion is about

Facepalm. Entry #51. Not #55. My bad, I'll fix that.

onetruepurple wrote:

Jessica can't be Hoody because:

- #52 would make no sense given the context of #45
- it's strongly implied she wasn't involved until Jay called her in #47, Hoody's first appearance was in #39

When she became consciously involved doesn't matter so much - remember, she talks about dreams where she's a child, and being watched. This indicates that she very well may have had some kind of connection to TO back in her childhood. If that's the case, then she could potentially have become Hoodie years ago, long before #47 or #39. (admittedly, I forgot about the #39 appearance until you mentioned it, although I'm still not entirely convinced that it was Hoodie in that case) Additionally, just because she may not seem to remember it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just look at Tim. Or anyone else who was involved, for that matter.

Not sure what you mean about #52 not making sense in context with #45, though. Could you be more specific?

ToTheArcanine wrote:

To be fair, the place not looking burned out could be a simple OOG thing. I mean, how's Troy supposed to get an authentic toasted Hospital building?

...Don't answer that. Shocked

This occurred to me, as well. Still, I think it's something worth keeping in mind, just in case it becomes relevant.

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:28 am

onetruepurple
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VincentPain wrote:

Not sure what you mean about #52 not making sense in context with #45, though. Could you be more specific?

In #45 Hoody tried to kill Alex, and in #52 Jessica is genuinely surprised by the whole thing...?

VincentPain wrote:

This indicates that she very well may have had some kind of connection to TO back in her childhood.

To me, this indicates that the Operator was either dangerously close to her, or the encounter in #52 has left some sort of imprint, like how Jay would sleepwalk after the encounter in #23. Remember that story-wise, Jessica is supposed to be a complete outsider until Jay pulls her in.

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:38 am
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mokie
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Re: TLDR? Skip to the end.

VincentPain wrote:

Brian is probably dead. It looks pretty obvious in Entry #51 that he's unconscious while being dragged offscreen, and the human brain can normally only survive a few minutes in that state. Even a shorter period of time would cause serious brain damage. In all likelihood, Brian is done.

Wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

We spend 6-10 hours a day unconscious, without being dead or brain damaged. You can be knocked out and wake up fine and peachy later - it's especially common in works of fiction.

He's out cold, for pete's sake, not underwater.

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:42 am

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Re: TLDR? Skip to the end.

VincentPain wrote:

Ok, seriously, it's been bugging me forever, what is with Brian at 2:05-2:22 of Entry #51? (NOT 55, thanks to pravado for pointing out my typo) I don't know why that clip was added, and it leaves a hole in the conversation between Brian and Alex that bothers me. Is it possible that Brian is privy to something that got purposely excluded or deleted? Is Brian just acting, or is he acting as though he's there to act? WHY IS THAT CLIP IN THERE? ...it's entirely possible that I'm just overthinking it, butseriouslywtf.

It's just a scene for the movie and Brian is having trouble keeping a straight face, then he jokingly says: "I'm just going to stare out in the distance like I don't care." He's just having fun with the shot.
I guess they added it to imply that Brian has no idea that Alex has changed from movie director to homicidal maniac under control of an unknown entity. Razz

He's still under the impression they are just shooting a movie.

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:54 am

NewInTown2
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Re: TLDR? Skip to the end.

VincentPain wrote:

4: People keep talking about the "burned out hospital" as though it had literally burned down. Yes, the place looks pretty torn up, but to me it looks more like it's just been abandoned and has been exposed to the elements for quite some time. I'm no expert, but I don't see any kind of scorching or other indications that it was actually burned, rather than experiencing some other fate.

Well Alex does says in entry 51 that it has "that burned out feeling to it" and that it's going to be used in the movie as Brian's old elementary school that is burned out.

So I guess we just assumed that it really was burned out. And since a lot of walls are missing and there are black scorched wooden pillars I think that's a safe assumption...

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:59 am

VincentPain
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onetruepurple wrote:

In #45 Hoody tried to kill Alex, and in #52 Jessica is genuinely surprised by the whole thing...?

This is easily explained with memory loss. In Entry #32, for example, she says:

"Have you had any kind of memory loss at all?! I'm losing HUGE chunks of time! Having pounding headaches and coughing fits and�" etc.

She openly admits to memory loss. And given the way that TO seems to have a memory loss effect on pretty much everything he looks at... you get the picture.

If she has no memory of being Hoodie, except while she is being Hoodie (which is pretty likely), then the fact that she's genuinely surprised makes a lot of sense.

Additionally, there are only 4 (3, if #39's appearance really is hoodie) people I can think of it being:
Jay (only if the #39 appearance is NOT Hoodie)
Sarah (We haven't heard much about her, she and Brian likely shared the same fate)
Amy
Jessica

mokie wrote:

Actually, no. Sleep is very, very different from being knocked out. Getting hit really hard on the head and thereby causing brain trauma leading to unconsciousness is not synonymous with sleep. It happens in fiction all the time because people don't actually realise that it would kill you if you were out for longer than about 6 minutes.

NewInTown2 wrote:

The walls missing could just be exposure to the elements, I believe. As for the pillars, unless we're not talking about the same thing, I'm pretty sure those are metal, and were a dark colour to begin with. If you can point one out with a video time or something, though, I'd be happy to look at it some more.

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:18 am

VincentPain
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Re: TLDR? Skip to the end.

NewInTown2 wrote:

He's still under the impression they are just shooting a movie.

You're probably right. Like I said, something about it just bugged me, and I'm probably overthinking it.

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:21 am

mokie
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VincentPain wrote:

mokie wrote:

#1. You're going to have to show me some medical proof that being unconscious for more than 6 minutes causes death, because it sounds like you've got it mixed up with lack of oxygen.

#2. More to the moreness, we don't see a blow to the head. We see shakycam, then a not-conscious and possibly-dead Brian. Whether it's slendersleep, a blow to the head, fainting at the sight of all that suit, we don't know--he's just not up and talking anymore.

#3. Most importantly,

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

this is fiction.

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:32 am

NewInTown2
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VincentPain wrote:

Yeah you are right, those are metallic.
However I just rewatched the whole thing and around 3 minutes in Entry 51 Brian asks if they aren't trespassing/getting in trouble for being there. Alex replies by saying: "It's a burned out building, who cares?" So while it might not be a burned out building in the real world but it definitely is one in the story.

lawyered! Very Happy

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:34 am

onetruepurple
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Of course it's Hoody in #39, didn't Forecast, Intermission, and #41 (in that very order) make that clear enough?

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:39 am

VincentPain
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mokie wrote:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

this is fiction.

#1: I don't have it mixed up with lack of oxygen, or hypoxia, as we call it in the EMS field. If your brain gets hit hard enough that you lose consciousness, then there's a pretty good chance you won't be breathing for a while, either. It makes sense - your brain controls your breathing. Your heart won't necessarily stop right away, though, since it generates its own impulses. But if you're not breathing, then it doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference.

#2 No, we don't see a blow to the head. I'll give you that. In the case that this is some kind of slendy magic, then maybe he's just asleep somehow, despite being dragged away some unknown period of time later.

#3 Yes, this is fiction, so the rules don't necessarily apply.

For both #2 and 3, you're not wrong. That doesn't make it seem any less realistic that Brian would be dead, though - especially after we watched Alex murder whatshisface in the tunnel. And the fact that we watched Brian get dragged away, if you want to look at it from a figurative or "metaphorical film analysis" perspective.

NewInTown2 wrote:

Haha, well put. Yes, I would agree with you. Still feels weird, though, and I still have to wonder if there might be some kind of significance to it, especially since Troy/Joseph seem to have planned everything else out so well...

onetruepurple wrote:

Of course it's Hoody in #39, didn't Forecast, Intermission, and #41 (in that very order) make that clear enough?

Actually, I don't feel that any of the three gave any evidence to support that it was Hoodie. It may have been Masky, or some other face-covering person that we haven't met yet. You don't see the sock mask on camera at any given point, nor did TTA say, "I saw you, I'm hoodie!"

The only thing that might suggest that it was Hoodie is that the shape of the face in the drawing looks more like Hoodie than Masky.

Either way, the only real significance if it was Hoodie in #39 would be proving that Jay is not Hoodie - which isn't a very popular theory to begin with, and for good reason.

I certainly appreciate that you pointed those out, though. I tend to overlook the TTA stuff.

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:18 am

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VincentPain wrote:

5: Entry #13 @ 0:35. That's Alex filming. Think about it.

Just rewatched it - did it always have "i was close by" in the description? Or was that added by TTA in one of the hacks?

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:25 am
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VincentPain
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TheFuss wrote:

Just rewatched it - did it always have "i was close by" in the description? Or was that added by TTA in one of the hacks?

No, that was the original description. Jay was telling us that was in the area, that's all.

The reason I pointed it out is that it's an example of Alex finding an Operator symbol. Finding, not making.

The implication would be that he did it and doesn't remember, that TO draws them or causes them to appear, or that there have been others before Alex who have drawn the symbols as a warning. (e.g. Tim) That last option is something that seems more and more likely with recent entries.

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:38 am

mokie
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VincentPain wrote:

mokie wrote:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

this is fiction.

VincentPain wrote:

For both #2 and 3, you're not wrong. That doesn't make it seem any less realistic that Brian would be dead, though - especially after we watched Alex murder whatshisface in the tunnel. And the fact that we watched Brian get dragged away, if you want to look at it from a figurative or "metaphorical film analysis" perspective.

The fact that Tim was present and still lives suggests to me that there's no reason to assume Brian is necessarily dead. There's also the way he keeps popping up in TTA videos. That's one's a leap of faith either way you jump, though.

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:44 am

VincentPain
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mokie wrote:

No, you didn't say anything about a lack of oxygen. You said more than a few minutes of unconsciousness usually leads to death or brain damage. I'd still like to see an actual source on that, since there are a number of ways one can lose consciousness, and info floating around on recovery if a person is out for half an hour, and their odds of Alzheimer's if they're out for an hour, which would seem to directly contradict that six minute statement.

Sorry, but that's a big one to throw out without any back-up or clarification.

...

The fact that Tim was present and still lives suggests to me that there's no reason to assume Brian is necessarily dead. There's also the way he keeps popping up in TTA videos. That's one's a leap of faith either way you jump, though.

Alright. But now, I hope, you understand that I was implying that the unconscious person would have, in this case, not been breathing. This would be based on the idea that it would be a trauma-induced condition, as I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be a medical (ignoring slendersleep). The 6 minute approximation comes from the fact that the human brain, when deprived of oxygen, will begin experiencing tissue death very, very quickly, and that unrecoverable tissue death in the brain (i.e. the brain cannot recover after this point, and will inevitably die) is estimated to occur after approximately 6 minutes. As for a medical source, I'll try and dig one up for you that you'll be able to access, but that's something for a time that isn't 6 in the morning. It's true people can survive for surprisingly long periods of time in seemingly non-survivable conditions (the world record for longest time someone has held their breath was something like 17 minutes, for example), but these are not every day occurrences. Basically, for the average person, if you're not breathing, don't expect to live long. And if you experience head trauma-induced unconsciousness, don't expect to be breathing while you're out.

Overall, the point was that, assuming Brian is a pretty average guy, he probably did not survive whatever it was that we witnessed.

The difference with Tim is partly that he's probably connected with TO somehow by this point, and partly what you mentioned: we didn't see what happened. For all we know, Tim may have killed/knocked out Brian. But no matter how you look at it, it doesn't appear likely that Brian will be coming back.

Bleh, you people could keep me awake for days if I let you. I'm going to bed, back when I have time again. Try to excuse any glaring errors I may have made in the interim.

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:24 am

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