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MorbidPuppies
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Right, the event that started Jay down this path in the first place was severely retconned, the plot barely progressed, and a bunch of new questions arose. Like I said, frustrating. Not saying I hated the entry, just stating my opinions.

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Geneaux486
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MorbidPuppies wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
Right, the event that started Jay down this path in the first place was severely retconned, the plot barely progressed, and a bunch of new questions arose. Like I said, frustrating. Not saying I hated the entry, just stating my opinions.


You're bad at making corrections Razz

The retcon is factual. We know that Troy hadn't fleshed out the story into season 3 when he started in on this story, meaning that for all intents and purposes, Jay's intial summary of events was factual, which means that the plot was more altered than progressed by entry 71, which could actually be argued as a step backwards because of all the new question the retcon generates. It's also a fact that I found the entry frustrating, and that my initial, benign comment has generated far more responses than it should have.

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 		I like it when people assume that a summary can't move from fact to opinion & vice versa.

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 		In a story where incomplete continuity is the main effing trope around which the whole story spins, is a poorly-executed retcon that big a deal? Just asking.

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 		I for one am getting a little tired of building up to big things and then taking two steps backwards... this entry and the last two felt a little weak imo. entry 68 was awesome though

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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
In a story where incomplete continuity is the main effing trope around which the whole story spins, is a poorly-executed retcon that big a deal? Just asking.


Maybe not a big deal, but it's frustrating when the series is so good and the retcon is so poorly executed.
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 		I don't think it's a retcon so much as it's an oh shit moment. Jay's version of events were vague and in text form. That's what he remembers. I think everyone here is ignoring that now he's doubting his own memory and how he remembers even things like that.

Furthermore, I think this is really elluding to a reveal that they have all been connected in some way, long before college and long before that pretentious student film.

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 		I thought that Clairabel's avatar had a stylish mustache. I am very upset to learn that this is not the case.

Grumplestiltskin wrote:
In a story where incomplete continuity is the main effing trope around which the whole story spins, is a poorly-executed retcon that big a deal? Just asking.


I assume that most of the important plot holes will be filled in at some point, so we aren't left with a plot that literally makes no sense.

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I for one am getting a little tired of building up to big things and then taking two steps backwards... this entry and the last two felt a little weak imo.


Also this. I can try to be open-minded about each entry. But I can't get excited about getting 0-3 tiny reveals in each entry. I'm really not sure how so many people can.

We really need an "Alex is alive!" or "Masky is Tim!" or "Alex tries to shoot Jay!" type of Entry at this point.

I would have said that "The Operator abducts Tim!" counts, if it changed anything in the grand scheme of things, but it didn't. We have no idea what the fuck we saw, & Tim doesn't remember any of it. It has basically no impact on the plot whatsoever.

Alex attacking Jay in this Entry was just kind of, "Huh, that was odd." It was marginally surprising, but not really beyond expectation. And again, as mentioned previously, we still don't have any context for it.

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I don't think it's a retcon


It is a retcon. It is "a revelation that a previously understood piece of information was not true, or entirely true." It's a retcon.As Genaux says, that's a fact. Not even a minor retcon, because Jay outright says that he has no memory of any of this happening.

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twistedpuppet wrote:
I don't think it's a retcon so much as it's an oh shit moment. Jay's version of events were vague and in text form. That's what he remembers. I think everyone here is ignoring that now he's doubting his own memory and how he remembers even things like that.

Furthermore, I think this is really elluding to a reveal that they have all been connected in some way, long before college and long before that pretentious student film.





I mean, it wasn't a big deal, mainly because Jay should have never trusted his memory being accurate in the first place. He has witnessed himself in events that he didn't remember, in both past and present, so I don't see how this situation is any different. We also shouldn't trust Jay's memory, as a result.

As far as being all connected, doubtful. Everyone noted Alex was normal before the operator became involved. Jay said he knew Alex through college, and Brian knew Alex through college too.

They really can't get away with entries like this this late in the game if they want to keep people that aren't obsessed watching. They don't need to fill in every blank from the past, they need to focus on telling the story in the present and creating big moments in every entry, rather than just spending all their time editing distortion into them. I don't remember who, but in a lot of old topics someone was saying that they need to focus more on writing the script (dialogue and plot) and not so much on doing callbacks. I wholeheartedly agree with that at this point.

(let's be real, the distortion has to be what makes entries take this long. aren't they roomates? how hard could it have been to schedule one night to shoot this? rage)

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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
In a story where incomplete continuity is the main effing trope around which the whole story spins, is a poorly-executed retcon that big a deal? Just asking.


Incomplete continuity, sure, but what they did here was take a part of the story that was previously complete, and shoehorn an assault into it. But no, it isn't a big deal, and depending on where they go from here, it could easily wind up being awesome. Like I said, I don't hate the entry or anything, I just found it frustrating.

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Lithp wrote:
I thought that Clairabel's avatar had a stylish mustache. I am very upset to learn that this is not the case.


I will draw myself with a stylish moustache. Will that make you feel better?
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Clairabel wrote:
Lithp wrote:
I thought that Clairabel's avatar had a stylish mustache. I am very upset to learn that this is not the case.


I will draw myself with a stylish moustache. Will that make you feel better?


Mayhap.

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 		Hi. Long time lurker who finally decided to step out of the shadows. Have quite a bit to say, too, but no time right now, so I'll just respond to one specific thing that just now jumped out at me:
Marble Hornets wrote:
(let's be real, the distortion has to be what makes entries take this long. aren't they roomates? how hard could it have been to schedule one night to shoot this? rage)

They actually aren't. Joseph and Tim are roommates, but Troy moved out, and from what I understood their school schedules and job schedules often conflict with one another. I'm not sure how long the distortion takes, but I think scheduling plays the biggest role in their entry times.
Besides, they've consistently been releasing entries on about a 2-week basis for the past few, so I don't see what the problem is. I do agree that we need a big wham episode in the near future, though.

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Marble Hornets wrote:

(let's be real, the distortion has to be what makes entries take this long. aren't they roomates? how hard could it have been to schedule one night to shoot this? rage)


Actually, no. They don't all live together. Tim and Joseph live together, but have way different school schedules. Troy moved out a while ago(hence the THC video "Troy Moves Out."). So, getting Tim or Joseph to have some free time, is kinda hard right now.

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