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George G
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Batman Begins was boring as hell.

To whom?

It certainly wasn't boring to a very large number of viewers. Telling those viewers that it was boring to you would be like me telling people who enjoy lamprey that I personally hate it. They would just shrug: "Why should we care about that? Continue disliking it and we will continue liking it. More delicious lamprey left for us."
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George G wrote:
Serum wrote:
Batman Begins was boring as hell.

To whom?

It certainly wasn't boring to a very large number of viewers. Telling those viewers that it was boring to you would be like me telling people who enjoy lamprey that I personally hate it. They would just shrug: "Why should we care about that? Continue disliking it and we will continue liking it. More delicious lamprey left for us."


Boring to anyone who watched any Batman movie before it. Say what you will about Batman & Robin, but at least the first twenty minutes had stuff going on in it. I don't want to know how Batman became Batman. I know, I got it. I get it. His parents got killed by a common thug and he developed an alternate personality that is Batman, but in reality Bruce Wayne died along with his parents and Batman was born, blah, fuckedy blah. Edit: What the hell is "lamprey?" No, you what, don't tell me, I'm sure it's a Doctor Who reference or something.
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Serum wrote:
George G wrote:
Serum wrote:
Batman Begins was boring as hell.

To whom?

It certainly wasn't boring to a very large number of viewers. Telling those viewers that it was boring to you would be like me telling people who enjoy lamprey that I personally hate it. They would just shrug: "Why should we care about that? Continue disliking it and we will continue liking it. More delicious lamprey left for us."


Boring to anyone who watched any Batman movie before it. Say what you will about Batman & Robin, but at least the first twenty minutes had stuff going on in it. I don't want to know how Batman became Batman. I know, I got it. I get it. His parents got killed by a common thug and he developed an alternate personality that is Batman, but in reality Bruce Wayne died along with his parents and Batman was born, blah, fuckedy blah. Edit: What the hell is "lamprey?" No, you what, don't tell me, I'm sure it's a Doctor Who reference or something.
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Except the people who've seen both old and new and proclaimed the new series to be better? Not that I'm such a person; I never watched more than a few scenes from the old series, so I have nothing valid to contribute, but I know of people with the view I described.

If you didn't like them, that's fine by me, and I can see why you might not. But it really annoys me when people claim to speak for an entire group when they only really represent themselves and maybe the specific people they know. I for one do want to know how Batman became Batman (beyond the part you described, obviously most everyone knows the basics), and judging by the reviews it got, I'd say a lot of other people found it to be something other than boring.

(And while I can't claim to speak for everyone right after saying something like that, I can say that for most of my peers- probably a much younger generation than yours- that movie single-handedly changed their perception of Batman from being an uncool "kids superhero" to something much more.)

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"...More delicious lamprey left for us."


Reason 487 why it's A Bad Idea to be eating and reading unF at the same time: lentil soup coming out one's nose hurts like a motherfucker. >.<

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Serum wrote:
George G wrote:
Serum wrote:
Batman Begins was boring as hell.

To whom?

It certainly wasn't boring to a very large number of viewers. Telling those viewers that it was boring to you would be like me telling people who enjoy lamprey that I personally hate it. They would just shrug: "Why should we care about that? Continue disliking it and we will continue liking it. More delicious lamprey left for us."


Boring to anyone who watched any Batman movie before it. Say what you will about Batman & Robin, but at least the first twenty minutes had stuff going on in it. I don't want to know how Batman became Batman. I know, I got it. I get it. His parents got killed by a common thug and he developed an alternate personality that is Batman, but in reality Bruce Wayne died along with his parents and Batman was born, blah, fuckedy blah.


You don't know Batman's origin story nearly as well as you think you do, and it legitimately seems as if you decided to dislike the movie when you realized they were telling the origin story rather than engage with the film and see what it has to say.
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Magyk wrote:
No, the Joker portrayal is not one of the best all time performances in 5evar. It's good. It doesn't get half the recognition it gets if Ledger is still alive.


That isn't true at all. People were complimenting his performance based on what they saw in the trailers and on the set before Leger's untimely death. Yes, it was his final performance, but nobody knew that at the time. It was a spectacular portrayal regardless of his tragic passing.

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Except the people who've seen both old and new and proclaimed the new series to be better? Not that I'm such a person; I never watched more than a few scenes from the old series, so I have nothing valid to contribute, but I know of people with the view I described.


I've seen them, and the Nolan movies are much better. Especially after Joel Shoemocker (incorrectly spelled due to apathy) took over the old franchise. There's nothing immediately wrong with making Batman campy, the changing nature of his comics over the many years have left us open to interpret the character in a large variety of ways, but that doesn't matter if it's not done well. It was done well, for instance, in "The Brave and the Bold" animated series.

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I don't want to know how Batman became Batman. I know, I got it. I get it. His parents got killed by a common thug and he developed an alternate personality that is Batman, but in reality Bruce Wayne died along with his parents and Batman was born, blah, fuckedy blah.


Serious response: The deaths of his parents, his attempt to kill his parents' killer, and his training in the League of Shadows were all extremely important to the plot of these specific movies. When you're retelling a story that's already been told, it's generally not a good idea to rely on the old story to set things up for you, you lay it all out then and there, you make it independent, otherwise it isn't truly a fresh start. It's also necessary in order to make the movies accessible to people who aren't familiar with Batman (rare as those may be).

Nonserious response: HATER!

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Say what you will about Batman & Robin, but at least the first twenty minutes had stuff going on in it.


Sorta serious sorts not response: Batman and Robin was not the first installment in its chain of movies. Their costumes also had nipples and asses molded into them, which is less relevant but still troubling.

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Batman is serious fucking business.
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Batman is serious fucking business.



Also, the whole dying thing may have attracted some attention and compliments Ledger wouldn't have received otherwise, but that doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't have deserved them. A lot of people loved his performance in spite of and not because of the fact that he died. (Of course, again, subjective.)

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 		I've seen them both. Disregarding Batman & Robin entirely, I liked the first movie, but fuck it could be random & campy at times. What was with that mook with the katanas? What the fuck?

That's why I wasn't so big on Begins. It felt like it was just trying to repeat that "Batman Movie Formula," with the machine that summons bats, & Scarecrow randomly showing up riding a horse. The other movies were more grounded, & generally everything introduced was important to the plot. Same goes for the Bruce Segments of Begins, I was actually far more interested in Bruce's training with Nolan's version of the League of Shadows than I was in him beating up Scarecrow in a bat costume.

Sorry, Crane. I still love you, though.

I definitely admit that Dark Knight as a whole got more publicity due to Ledger's death, but not that much more. I thought I was going to hate his performance, because the look was so different from what I was used to, & I didn't really like any of Ledger's other characters, but I found myself really enjoying how he incorporated elements of several different Jokers, & made the "humor" aspect of the character more subtle. Probably still not my favorite Joker, but definitely a top notch performance.

I can kind of see the "been there before" complaint, but that's Hollywood for you. They always feel like they have re-tell the origin story every time they reboot a film series. Plus, I guess it's kind of an easy way to write the story. Jumping straight to Batman vs. Well-Known Enemy makes it kind of hard to do character development.

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Okay, I know a subject that can crumble the very fabric of society even more than people who like Doctor Who versus people who don't like Doctor Who...

Is "James Bond" actually a codename, and not the character's 'real' name? This would explain why the man hasn't aged much since 1962. But if that's true, why is it than in For Your Eyes Only, does Roger Moore visit the grave of the woman Bond married in On Her Majesty's Secret Service in which 007 was played by George Lazenby? And why does Timothy Dalton refuse to catch the stocking in Licence to Kill and when Felix Leiter's wife asks him why, he tells her it's because "he was married a long time ago, but she died?"

Go.


James Bond is the same guy, all the missions happen relatively close to each other so he doesn't look like he's getting older.


But it's clearly the 1960s in Dr. No, and it's clearly the late 2000s in Skyfall.

Ian Fleming wrote the original James Bond stories in the 50s and 60s and they take place during the Cold War. Also, "007" is his code name within MI6. "James Bond" is implied to be either his real name or an alias. All instances of the character are intended to be the same person.

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Zarggg wrote:
Serum wrote:
Hazman wrote:
Serum wrote:
Okay, I know a subject that can crumble the very fabric of society even more than people who like Doctor Who versus people who don't like Doctor Who...

Is "James Bond" actually a codename, and not the character's 'real' name? This would explain why the man hasn't aged much since 1962. But if that's true, why is it than in For Your Eyes Only, does Roger Moore visit the grave of the woman Bond married in On Her Majesty's Secret Service in which 007 was played by George Lazenby? And why does Timothy Dalton refuse to catch the stocking in Licence to Kill and when Felix Leiter's wife asks him why, he tells her it's because "he was married a long time ago, but she died?"

Go.


But it's clearly the 1960s in Dr. No, and it's clearly the late 2000s in Skyfall.

Ian Fleming wrote the original James Bond stories in the 50s and 60s and they take place during the Cold War. Also, "007" is his code name within MI6. "James Bond" is implied to be either his real name or an alias. All instances of the character are intended to be the same person.


James Bond is the same guy, all the missions happen relatively close to each other so he doesn't look like he's getting older.



There's a problem with that. M was played by a female for the first time under the Pierce Brosnan era. But when Casino Royale came out, it depicted Bond at the beginning of his career, becoming 007 for the first time. Then in skyfall, something happens that would invalidate all other movies if you put Daniel Craig's Bond at the beginning of the chronology. Those of you who have seen Skyfall know what I'm talking about.

Therefore, the name James Bond cannot belong to the same person. It has to be separate people or else Daniel Craig's Bond completely nullifies the other movies. The same M from the Brosnan era carried over to the Daniel Craig era. This leads me to believe that the name and the number are all a code name. Otherwise, the other movies don't work.

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twistedpuppet wrote:
Zarggg wrote:
Serum wrote:
Hazman wrote:
Serum wrote:
Okay, I know a subject that can crumble the very fabric of society even more than people who like Doctor Who versus people who don't like Doctor Who...

Is "James Bond" actually a codename, and not the character's 'real' name? This would explain why the man hasn't aged much since 1962. But if that's true, why is it than in For Your Eyes Only, does Roger Moore visit the grave of the woman Bond married in On Her Majesty's Secret Service in which 007 was played by George Lazenby? And why does Timothy Dalton refuse to catch the stocking in Licence to Kill and when Felix Leiter's wife asks him why, he tells her it's because "he was married a long time ago, but she died?"

Go.


But it's clearly the 1960s in Dr. No, and it's clearly the late 2000s in Skyfall.

Ian Fleming wrote the original James Bond stories in the 50s and 60s and they take place during the Cold War. Also, "007" is his code name within MI6. "James Bond" is implied to be either his real name or an alias. All instances of the character are intended to be the same person.


James Bond is the same guy, all the missions happen relatively close to each other so he doesn't look like he's getting older.



There's a problem with that. M was played by a female for the first time under the Pierce Brosnan era. But when Casino Royale came out, it depicted Bond at the beginning of his career, becoming 007 for the first time. Then in skyfall, something happens that would invalidate all other movies if you put Daniel Craig's Bond at the beginning of the chronology. Those of you who have seen Skyfall know what I'm talking about.

Therefore, the name James Bond cannot belong to the same person. It has to be separate people or else Daniel Craig's Bond completely nullifies the other movies. The same M from the Brosnan era carried over to the Daniel Craig era. This leads me to believe that the name and the number are all a code name. Otherwise, the other movies don't work.

The Daniel Craig films, once again, are a reboot. You have to ignore them when trying to figure out whether the other films "work". It is supposed to "completely nullify the other movies", sort of.

And as I said before, continuity in the rest of them is somewhat loose outside the Connery era- you're not really supposed to be worrying about the changing actors or time periods.

Also, as Zargg pointed out, people tend to forget that there were books before there were films. I haven't read them, however, so I was wondering, does anyone know whether the books' characterization was closer to Connery's Bond, or to Craig's, or to one of the others?

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