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[BenJPas]

[DJay32]

My theory as to why we had this entry is that it was needed to reestablish the burnt down building and the whole "Operator stands there to symbolize Alex's madness" motif. After all, the last time we had either was in Part 2, and it's bad writing to just assume the viewer knows exactly what you're talking about in a separate film/season.

I think Jay and Tim are going to investigate this building, and I think it because we've had this reestablishing entry so early on. Consider it like Entry 31, establishing Rosswood Park so that it can be used later on. And yes, I do believe the creators are that smart. It's not exactly rocket science; it's basic writing.

[Nuke74]

[Yuki]

[Foood]

[Geneaux486]

Awesome avatar, Foood.

Also, very uncool of Alex to knock Tim out mid-stream.

[punxtr]

Loved it. It was an iron bar. Op looked fine. Everything was nice and subtle. Alex casually walking over to hit Tim with re-bar while he peed is probably one of the funniest ways to get beaten up ever.

Bottom line: it had to be done. Since many wondered how Tim ended up in this building in that state during #51, this entry did exactly that. Quit complaining.

[Stanislav]

Pretty sure that hat is or is meant to be the same one that he was wearing later that night in #22 (supposedly). Man, you just gotta love little bits like that.

Also, maybe the whole thing Tim and Alex say about not having visited the building for a while after Tim brought it up is an indication that Alex went there beforehand, drawing the Operator symbol and preparing for the Murder Weekend. Someone a few pages back wondered why Alex didn't bring a weapon with him, maybe he saw a few pipes lying around and decided it would be better to use that instead of bringing a weapon with him. A knife would have been too personal and possible to lose the fight with, a gun would have been real expensive and loud, etc. IDK, that all kinda seems a bit stretched, but hey you know.

[mokie]

Nevermind, b&w camera played tricks on my eyes.

[pravado]

This will be a very long post, and I hope you guys don't mind if I bump it once every 2 pages or so to ensure that it doesn't just get skipped over because it will take me a lot of time to write.


at the end of s1, alex is obviously aware of totheark following jay, which is why he doesn't want jay to know where he lives. but why did alex string jay along and genuinely seem like he wanted jay's help? it was a facade. he wanted to get rid of jay in entry 40, but jay went in the woods alone and made it out without getting taken. his plans had failed.

its possible the operator was running low on "life force energy" or something, and then alex sacrifices himself in 43 to give the operator that energy that he so desperately needs but couldn't obtain from jay in 40. maybe alex sacrificed people multiple times, which is why he couldn't risk them figuring out the truth, because then they would avoid alex like the plague (seth or brian finding out = totheark, anyone? would explain why they go missing and never return when tim does seen by entry 20 - fits in nicely with a few of the early tta videos like exit)

in fact, alex couldn't even let the people he sacrificed be suspicious of it. if he were to try to drag jay into the rosswood park woods that day jay ran into the operator, jay would know something was up. alex had to play along and just get him another time. the thing is, alex doesn't attempt to sacrifice jay again, ever.

alex goes off the deep end after jay takes the tape from 51. alex is aware of all the entries jay has posted up to entry 26 at that point when he whips out the gun (and alex doesn't give jay the tape from 51 because it was the one thing that would turn jay against him). he knows that jay wants answers from stuff that happened in season 1.


once alex knows that jay figured out the truth, he sees him as a threat whereas he didn't see him as a threat before, just a pawn. he wanted to kill jay before jay could upload the video to the channel.

but why kill jay instead of sacrifice him to the operator? because the operator doesn't kill people. nor can the operator make anyone 'fully vanish' as they want us to believe - otherwise that would have been a far better solution for alex to get rid of jay, wouldn't it? a dead body vs a vanished body, he should have picked the vanished one if that could have happened.


so to me this says that brian, seth, sarah, and amy must all be alive, but only the member(s) of totheark (probably brian or seth) have seen footage of what happened which is how they are even aware of anything going on. alex only knows about what's happening because of the footage from early season 1 that he rewatched. he starts taping himself constantly after realizing that he is losing time.

. totheark was following jay and alex around back in entry 13, totheark knew about the operator before alex did apparently. i'm wiilling to bet the second half of season 3 will be the reveal of totheark, and their set of tapes which reveal how alex came to be the way he is.


the second half of my theory is that tim remembers everything and is waiting until jay realizes the full truth before coming clean about working with totheark. the whole time they realize that jay didn't have all the clues and would have just sided with alex (as he did) assuming that totheark was bad after seeing his videos from season 1, they had to show him why he should hate alex AS WELL AS side with the maskys.

totheark/tim uses jay to get to alex, and alex uses jay to get to them. alex wants them to stop following him, and they need jay to find alex to end all of this. alex is the operators pawn, after all.


its unlikely that totheark would keep tim in the dark about things since 45 confirms they're working together. (to anyone who doubts that hoody is totheark, go watch intermission and then entry 42 - hoody is sitting beneath the tree and intermission is teasing alex completely missing him)

it's also unlikely that tim would only remember these things in an alternate personality. if we're supposed to believe tim gets no sleep because he's masky all night, then he should be tired all the time or have rings under his eyes, but he seems well rested. sure a dual personality is possible, but it would be an unnecessary story element if you ask me. i find it odd that tim as masky doesn't cough ever, though.


so why does tim attack jay in the hotel? he knows that the footage of s2 is in there. he doesn't want jay to know his identity, and he doesn't want

so you ask, why does present day tim seem like he doesn't know anything? maybe the operator got to him after entry 33 and wiped his mind. maybe totheark and tim really aren't working together, and the entry 42/intermission thing is a wrong connection, and hoody isn't part of totheark (meaning him and tim working together wouldn't result in tim finding out anything)

the really big continuity error is that jay didn't post the season 2 footage that he took as he took it, he waited months to post it when he wouldn't have done that if this was realistic.


and now for the greatest plot twist theory of all time that will never happen but would have been cool: the person at the end of entry 51 was tim who had put on alexs shoes to make it look like alex did it all

[Lytrigian]

For those who weren't paying close enough attention near the end of the tape when Alex dropped the "stick" to hear it land with a dull metallic clunk, it was pretty clearly a piece of rebar.

Yeah, if I were Tim I'd be pretty pissed too.

[zbeeblebrox]

Content-wise, it was a great entry. Lot's of the puzzle pieces are coming together in exciting ways. Unfortunately it wasn't scary or suspenseful at all. Too much was telegraphed; nothing was shocking or surprising. Too bad, because it has the opportunity to surprise me.

[Illuminant]

So, here's an alternative interpretation.

We already know that Tim was suffering from something similar to Slendy-sickness. He was the one who suggested the shooting location, not Alex. Alex didn't bring a weapon, which he surely would if it had been his intention to sacrifice Tim.

It seems possible that Alex is the good guy here, and that he knows more than he's telling. He goes along with Tim, and is friendly, if a little cautious. Then, he sees the Operator symbol, and realizes that he's in trouble. He takes advantage of Tim's alone time with Little Slendy and attacks him before Tim can turn the tables -- and I'm not at all convinced that Tim was peeing; like previous posters, I expected him to return as Masky and attack Alex outright.

It also struck me that Alex throwing down the rebar at the end, right on the spot where TO was standing, was a deliberately provocative, in-your-faceless-face kind of act.

I'm not disputing the fact that Alex is later corrupted by TO, but I'm not sure that he's our bad guy at this point.

[NewInTown2]

Wow, things are starting to get pretty confusing...

In this entry Tim says to Alex that he though that Alex had given up on this place since it was so long ago since he mentioned it. So did they ever meet on that saturday? (we know they planned on scouting the place when Tim mentioned it in entry 55)
My guess is that they did go and scout the place that saturday and shit went down. Shit Tim and Brian (and possibly Alex) don't remember anymore. I think that saturday Alex was slenderfied and started being the dickhead we all know and love.

However, if this is the case then I'm having trouble placing entry 1 to pretty much 20 or so because in these entries Alex was still afraid of the operator since he was being stalked by him... So did these take place before entry 55? That would mean the operator was stalking both Tim and Alex at the same time ..

[ReynardtaFox]

Well, I for one thought this was a great entry. The whole time I'm thinking, "Wow, it looks like Tim was the one who started it all," and was waiting for Alex to get slender-attacked. And then at the end I was like, "Alex, you insane bastard! Why did I ever give you the benefit of the doubt?"

Also I've actually been waiting for an entry to establish how Tim got into that building in Entry 51, so unlike some other, I thought this was far from a pointless entry.