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[VIDEO] Entry #56
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ReverendJ
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I got the feeling Tim didn't want to go there with Alex.

Not trusting Alex would explain why he didn't turn off his camera to pee and why it would have been a priority when he could get it.

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Jamocha101
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Why would Tim not trust Alex? Because the latter is being all snippy and such? :3

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ReverendJ
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Jamocha101 wrote:
Why would Tim not trust Alex? Because the latter is being all snippy and such? :3
He did tell his doc on the phone he was paranoid in 55.

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Armentitron
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Clothing

It seems notable that in this entry Tim is wearing the same clothes e wears as Masky.

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Geneaux486
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Re: Clothing

Armentitron wrote:
It seems notable that in this entry Tim is wearing the same clothes e wears as Masky.


And that Brian finds him in presumably the next day.

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Ithilwen22
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Jamocha101 wrote:
Ithilwen22 wrote:
I get what you're saying, but we don't really have much to go on beyond "Tim doesn't seem to want to be at the annex, but somehow he wound up there with a security blanket and a bad case of whooping cough".


Um...yeah. T_T


Sorry, was trying to say that there's not a whole lot of logical speculating that can be done without further clues. Smile

As for what everyone else was saying, I got the impression too that Tim was a wee bit nervous around Alex in this entry. It might be due to the paranoia problem he mentioned before, but it could also be due to Alex's behavior. I think I mentioned it before but it bears mentioning again, Alex had that kind of monotone thing going on, sort of like the same voice he used on Brian and when he led Jay into the Rosswood Park in Entry 38. It struck me as being very emotionless.

On the other hand I could be imagining that tone of voice. XD

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Re: Clothing

Armentitron wrote:
It seems notable that in this entry Tim is wearing the same clothes e wears as Masky.


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Foood
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ReverendJ wrote:
Jamocha101 wrote:
NewInTown2 wrote:

Alex gave Jay the tapes to show he was the victim in all of this.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Patterns!


But then why did Alex directly tell Jay that he should have never given him the tapes? I would kind of think that the reason he wanted to burn them was because he didn't want anybody, including Jay, to see that he was a victim, and he wanted to leave the reality he was trapped in without any reminders. As for Tim, I could see more of him giving the tapes away stategically because he plainly offered them, but it still could go either way for me. I really couldn't find any indicators that pretain to whether or not Tim was being genuine or deceptive when he said he hadn't watched the tapes before giving them to Jay.
Perhaps Alex wanted to escape Tim so he ran and left Jay the tapes so he would eventually walk into Alex's (and the Operator's) waiting arms.

Jay however uploads them to the net where Tim sees them and knows the game is not over. Alex looses his ability to act unhindered because TTA is now following Jay into the trap. I think Jay was suppose to be the final MH Operator victim at the abandoned house used as a return address in the "Help me" tape. TTA's tail prevented Alex from making his move the first time Jay visits it and the second time Masky is waiting for them in the house itself and Jay presence keeps Alex from killing Tim since he still needs Jay to trust him if he's going to setup a new trap. To make matters worse TTA now can directly harass Alex and he's unable to do his work.

As an added bonus future potential victims maybe tainted with knowledge of these events now moving Alex from useful tool for the Operator to expendable liability.

Now Tim and TTA are not only using Alex's own methods against him to prime Jay for the final hunt, they are flaunting this to Alex by posting the TTA videos we have so far. "Alex we are coming for you, and Jay's going to lead us completely willingly now!"


Just one problem with this: Let's assume Jay didn't upload the footage to the internet. How would Alex have known when to send Jay the "Help Me" tape?

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Yuki
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Foood wrote:
ReverendJ wrote:
Jamocha101 wrote:
NewInTown2 wrote:

Alex gave Jay the tapes to show he was the victim in all of this.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Patterns!


But then why did Alex directly tell Jay that he should have never given him the tapes? I would kind of think that the reason he wanted to burn them was because he didn't want anybody, including Jay, to see that he was a victim, and he wanted to leave the reality he was trapped in without any reminders. As for Tim, I could see more of him giving the tapes away stategically because he plainly offered them, but it still could go either way for me. I really couldn't find any indicators that pretain to whether or not Tim was being genuine or deceptive when he said he hadn't watched the tapes before giving them to Jay.
Perhaps Alex wanted to escape Tim so he ran and left Jay the tapes so he would eventually walk into Alex's (and the Operator's) waiting arms.

Jay however uploads them to the net where Tim sees them and knows the game is not over. Alex looses his ability to act unhindered because TTA is now following Jay into the trap. I think Jay was suppose to be the final MH Operator victim at the abandoned house used as a return address in the "Help me" tape. TTA's tail prevented Alex from making his move the first time Jay visits it and the second time Masky is waiting for them in the house itself and Jay presence keeps Alex from killing Tim since he still needs Jay to trust him if he's going to setup a new trap. To make matters worse TTA now can directly harass Alex and he's unable to do his work.

As an added bonus future potential victims maybe tainted with knowledge of these events now moving Alex from useful tool for the Operator to expendable liability.

Now Tim and TTA are not only using Alex's own methods against him to prime Jay for the final hunt, they are flaunting this to Alex by posting the TTA videos we have so far. "Alex we are coming for you, and Jay's going to lead us completely willingly now!"


Just one problem with this: Let's assume Jay didn't upload the footage to the internet. How would Alex have known when to send Jay the "Help Me" tape?


Another problem: we've seen Alex kill an innocent man, almost kill Tim, and almost shoot Jay and Jessica, as well as hurt Brian. He's not innocent.

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Foood
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Yuki wrote:
Another problem: we've seen Alex kill an innocent man, almost kill Tim, and almost shoot Jay and Jessica, as well as hurt Brian. He's not innocent.


Huh? ReverendJ's theory says that Alex was guilty all along.

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Queberk
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Reverse

Am I the only one that actually feels like Tim is the one with underlying intentions here?
I mean, he is the one to suggest the location, he seams eager to take Alex there, he insists in staying in that building and tries to convince Alex to go to the basement (which may easily be the one were seth is taken).
Alex definitely goes mute after seen The Operator sign on the wall at 3min, even though he was already sounding as if he suspected Tim was up to something pretty much the whole entry.
I really believe that Alex has something to do with Slendy, which may give him access to some kind of power or is simply is a reason to be ashamed, and Tim found it out and tried repeatedly to take that power or unmask Alex's shame, for that reason Alex is always fighting and trying to kill him. Slendy is not necessarily bad, but Tim is trying to take him and his capacities while Alex is attempting to keep him away from it.

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Queberk
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PS: I really am absolutely fanatic with this series and love their work, but this entries and slender-activity are losing tension very fast for growing plain and repetitive. There's just no more sense of urgency, danger nor any love for the characters anymore.

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pravado
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Queberk wrote:
PS: I really am absolutely fanatic with this series and love their work, but this entries and slender-activity are losing tension very fast for growing plain and repetitive. There's just no more sense of urgency, danger nor any love for the characters anymore.


it's how i feel to some extent

the operator just isn't creepy anymore . he pops into frame for a few seconds and doesn't move, and all of the "hard work" is done by alex.

i will still love the series until the day i die, but they need to go back to the season one operator that walked around and creeped on people, he has been stationary for FAR too long

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LadyGodiva
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I've been lurking for a while and thought I'd post my theories on this now:

I have three major theories about the series.

First, I think the fact that Tim is living the town near Rosswood Park is important to the plotline. In the end of video #22 Alex mentions "returning home" and ends up living in the town Tim and Jay are currently in. This to me means that this is where Alex was originally from. While there isn't solid evidence of this, I posit that Tim is also originally from that town which bears a few implications. Namely, I think it means Tim and Alex knew each other before the Marble Hornets filming regardless of the claim Tim makes that they didn't. I'd go so far as arguing that the issue they're hashing on with Slendy is something that got sparked when they were a lot younger and got started up again during a chance encounter in college.

Second, the video #22 and #51 which show Alex at the very least taking his friends somewhere they got hurt and at worst deliberately setting them up were not given to Jay. He found #22 in the red tower during season 1 and steals #51 during season 2. This final video, #56 also was not given to Jay by Alex. I feel like that does imply Alex made the decision to give Jay movies that made him look like he needed help, and was chased away by something dangerous and perhaps was framed for any events Jay might remember or be reminded of. I don't think he had plans on encountering Jay and crew again, but I think this was an ace in the hole in case he needed it in the future and ultimately it almost did pay off.

Third, in video #23 where Jay does all the crazyporting and concludes he no longer wishes to find answers, he ends up in the same spot Seth disappeared from and encounters the Operator. However, he DOES return from this place in a position to at least make posts online and drive a car. I think this makes it fairly clear that whatever it is the Operator does, it is not killing people. Thus, I think Seth/Brian/Tim survive their encounters and due to the video Tim has are able to piece together what Alex did/tried to do and formed TTA as a result. I figure when Tim came to after Alex hit him with the rebar, he removed the video from the video camera perhaps intending on going to the police or something along those lines. There's also a chance both Seth and Alex had cameras down in the basement making it possible Seth's video is still in his hands as well.

This is all kind of ranty and the points somewhat minor, but I think they kind of answer a few of the bigger questions we're all probably trying to figure out in the series.

EDIT: I was thinking maybe the reason we don't see the Operator moving around as much in Season 2/3 is because Alex is doing the work for him instead of him having to pursue people himself.

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pravado
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seth's video is done, they don't have access to that basement room anymore

also yeah the operator doesn't have the power to kill people or he would. he just makes them dissapear and appear in new places. if the operator could kill people, alex would have just sicked him on jay and jessica in 52 instead of pulling a gun on them

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