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[VIDEO] Entry #56
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Wolfboy702
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pravado wrote:
seth's video is done, they don't have access to that basement room anymore

also yeah the operator doesn't have the power to kill people or he would. he just makes them dissapear and appear in new places. if the operator could kill people, alex would have just sicked him on jay and jessica in 52 instead of pulling a gun on them

Perhaps, but I get the feeling he likes to maintain control from a distance which links back into his name 'the operator'. It's like a crime lord, they could get their hands dirty and do the work themselves but why bother when they have thugs to do it for them? Thats why he attacks jay and jessica in #52 because alex failed, forcing him to intervene directly.

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pravado
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he has to be doing something other than making them dissapear when HE intervenes, it seems that when he personally approaches someone they lose their memory of that instance (entry 23 proves this as well as entry 52)

but when alex knocks them out, he does something else with them (seen by 56)

makes me think the maskys ran away in 45 because they knew that they would be mind wiped

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pravado
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and after rewatching season 2 today, i can't believe i never realized alex wanted to sacrifice jay in entry 40 only to have jay fuck up his plans

thats why the operator was waiting there, that's why alex was mad

that's how hoody knew to be there and pick up jays camera


i wonder if alex sacrificed himself in 43 as a way to say "sorry" to the operator for the incident

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pravado wrote:
i wonder if alex sacrificed himself in 43 as a way to say "sorry" to the operator for the incident


You know, you might be up to something here. The operator might need humans every so often. That also could explain the events in entry 44. Alex prepares himself to be taken away again.

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Re: Reverse

Queberk wrote:
Am I the only one that actually feels like Tim is the one with underlying intentions here?


This was one of the first instances in which Alex broke out in his evil persona. Before this, Tim wouldn't have had a reason to antagonize against him. At least as far as we know.

pravado wrote:
seth's video is done, they don't have access to that basement room anymore

also yeah the operator doesn't have the power to kill people or he would. he just makes them dissapear and appear in new places. if the operator could kill people, alex would have just sicked him on jay and jessica in 52 instead of pulling a gun on them


Unless the Operator has his own morbid reasons that pretains to what he wants to do to people, so he strategically utilizes Alex for doing the dirty work instead of himself. I feel like he's the kind of entity that has an exact and complex reasoning behind everything he does, so maybe there's a reason he has Alex doing all of these deeds, and as far as we know, those subjects Alex victimized may not necessarily be dead. There might be something the Operator wants to "do" with them. We can never be sure, though. The instance in Entry #52 was completely personal, it seemed.

Ithilwen22 wrote:
Sorry, was trying to say that there's not a whole lot of logical speculating that can be done without further clues. Smile


No need to be sorry, bro. I was agreeing with you. ;-D The emoticon was more me indicating that I am growing weary about our lack of speculation foods.

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After watching Entry #56 again I'm convinced that the Operator uses the cameras to teleport. From Entry #26 it's quite obvious the the Operator saw Alex on the camera and teleported, creating visual tearing on the film. In entry #56 it looks like he teleports without causing visual tearing on Tim's camera. That means that he must have caused visual tearing on Alex's camera (since there's always visual tearing somewhere when there's teleporting), so visual tearing isn't just caused by the Operator teleporting, it is the Operator teleporting! It makes sense since Alex is the one who pointed his camera the operating symbol for a long time, so the Operator is going to jump using his camera. It also makes any entry with two cameras a bit more interesting. (For example it tells us that the chestcam is used for teleporting, but maybe the other camera in Entry #29 isn't... Also, this means that there may be visual tearing on Alex's camera in Entry #55.)

Sorry if this has already been pointed out. I didn't read the whole thread before posting.

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So, a thought;
We all believe Masky and Hoodie are born out of this hospital excursion, yes? Well, there's three victims in this. What happens to the odd one out?

Perhaps he sees the ark? It would explain TTA quite well if Brian/Seth gets Slendy-dragged to the ark.

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After watching Entry #56 again I'm convinced that the Operator uses the cameras to teleport. From Entry #26 it's quite obvious the the Operator saw Alex on the camera and teleported, creating visual tearing on the film.


An interesting point. Maybe Slendy uses Alex's camera as eyes? As in, Alex's filming is the eye of slenderman?

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pravado
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aidansean wrote:
After watching Entry #56 again I'm convinced that the Operator uses the cameras to teleport. From Entry #26 it's quite obvious the the Operator saw Alex on the camera and teleported, creating visual tearing on the film. In entry #56 it looks like he teleports without causing visual tearing on Tim's camera. That means that he must have caused visual tearing on Alex's camera (since there's always visual tearing somewhere when there's teleporting), so visual tearing isn't just caused by the Operator teleporting, it is the Operator teleporting! It makes sense since Alex is the one who pointed his camera the operating symbol for a long time, so the Operator is going to jump using his camera. It also makes any entry with two cameras a bit more interesting. (For example it tells us that the chestcam is used for teleporting, but maybe the other camera in Entry #29 isn't... Also, this means that there may be visual tearing on Alex's camera in Entry #55.)

Sorry if this has already been pointed out. I didn't read the whole thread before posting.



most of us speculated this a long time ago. every time teleportation occurs the screen tears briefly, and entry 43 proves this quite nicely. however i don't think he's "using the camera" - i think the camera is just picking up on the tear.

he can probably teleport in whenever he wants wherever he wants, because both of jays cameras (the one from s1 and the one from s2) and alex's handheld/chest cameras do this so it's highly unlikely that ALL cameras allow him to teleport

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pravado wrote:
seth's video is done, they don't have access to that basement room anymore

also yeah the operator doesn't have the power to kill people or he would. he just makes them dissapear and appear in new places. if the operator could kill people, alex would have just sicked him on jay and jessica in 52 instead of pulling a gun on them


I don't think we'll see Seth's video. My point was more the fact that people who were at the very least attempted sacrifices by Alex might of had evidence for themselves of what happened leading them to form To The Ark. I also think Alex's move on Jessica/Jay is independent of the Operator and whatever he might be using people for and was Alex trying to cover his own ass.

I think furthermore that the Ark is Alex who is transferring people to the Operator and acting like a carrier in that way.

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pravado wrote:

most of us speculated this a long time ago. every time teleportation occurs the screen tears briefly, and entry 43 proves this quite nicely. however i don't think he's "using the camera" - i think the camera is just picking up on the tear.


Right, but if there's tearing whenever the Operator teleports somewhere naerby, why doesn't Tim's camera tear in Entry #56? It seems to me that Entry #56 is the first solid evidence that the tearing is more than just a side effect of teleporting.

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How many cameras have been used to film in MH? The descriptions of the totheark videos would support TO using cameras for vision:


"Yes, Remember me? 7 eyes."

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Foood wrote:
ReverendJ wrote:
Jamocha101 wrote:
NewInTown2 wrote:

Alex gave Jay the tapes to show he was the victim in all of this.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Patterns!


But then why did Alex directly tell Jay that he should have never given him the tapes? I would kind of think that the reason he wanted to burn them was because he didn't want anybody, including Jay, to see that he was a victim, and he wanted to leave the reality he was trapped in without any reminders. As for Tim, I could see more of him giving the tapes away stategically because he plainly offered them, but it still could go either way for me. I really couldn't find any indicators that pretain to whether or not Tim was being genuine or deceptive when he said he hadn't watched the tapes before giving them to Jay.
Perhaps Alex wanted to escape Tim so he ran and left Jay the tapes so he would eventually walk into Alex's (and the Operator's) waiting arms.

Jay however uploads them to the net where Tim sees them and knows the game is not over. Alex looses his ability to act unhindered because TTA is now following Jay into the trap. I think Jay was suppose to be the final MH Operator victim at the abandoned house used as a return address in the "Help me" tape. TTA's tail prevented Alex from making his move the first time Jay visits it and the second time Masky is waiting for them in the house itself and Jay presence keeps Alex from killing Tim since he still needs Jay to trust him if he's going to setup a new trap. To make matters worse TTA now can directly harass Alex and he's unable to do his work.

As an added bonus future potential victims maybe tainted with knowledge of these events now moving Alex from useful tool for the Operator to expendable liability.

Now Tim and TTA are not only using Alex's own methods against him to prime Jay for the final hunt, they are flaunting this to Alex by posting the TTA videos we have so far. "Alex we are coming for you, and Jay's going to lead us completely willingly now!"


Just one problem with this: Let's assume Jay didn't upload the footage to the internet. How would Alex have known when to send Jay the "Help Me" tape?
When the Operator told him he was ready.

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aidansean wrote:
pravado wrote:

most of us speculated this a long time ago. every time teleportation occurs the screen tears briefly, and entry 43 proves this quite nicely. however i don't think he's "using the camera" - i think the camera is just picking up on the tear.


Right, but if there's tearing whenever the Operator teleports somewhere naerby, why doesn't Tim's camera tear in Entry #56? It seems to me that Entry #56 is the first solid evidence that the tearing is more than just a side effect of teleporting.


it does, but it's very instantaneous like in 43

it does, but it's instantaneous. it's kind of far fetched to say specfic cameras have the effect with the proof we have. jay bought a brand new camera to use in season 2 and it happened on that, and it also happened on the chest cam which was a new one introduced. we can't even say for sure that the operator teleported in in 56, he could have been waiting in the room nearby

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ReverendJ wrote:
Foood wrote:
ReverendJ wrote:
Jamocha101 wrote:
NewInTown2 wrote:

Alex gave Jay the tapes to show he was the victim in all of this.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Patterns!


But then why did Alex directly tell Jay that he should have never given him the tapes? I would kind of think that the reason he wanted to burn them was because he didn't want anybody, including Jay, to see that he was a victim, and he wanted to leave the reality he was trapped in without any reminders. As for Tim, I could see more of him giving the tapes away stategically because he plainly offered them, but it still could go either way for me. I really couldn't find any indicators that pretain to whether or not Tim was being genuine or deceptive when he said he hadn't watched the tapes before giving them to Jay.
Perhaps Alex wanted to escape Tim so he ran and left Jay the tapes so he would eventually walk into Alex's (and the Operator's) waiting arms.

Jay however uploads them to the net where Tim sees them and knows the game is not over. Alex looses his ability to act unhindered because TTA is now following Jay into the trap. I think Jay was suppose to be the final MH Operator victim at the abandoned house used as a return address in the "Help me" tape. TTA's tail prevented Alex from making his move the first time Jay visits it and the second time Masky is waiting for them in the house itself and Jay presence keeps Alex from killing Tim since he still needs Jay to trust him if he's going to setup a new trap. To make matters worse TTA now can directly harass Alex and he's unable to do his work.

As an added bonus future potential victims maybe tainted with knowledge of these events now moving Alex from useful tool for the Operator to expendable liability.

Now Tim and TTA are not only using Alex's own methods against him to prime Jay for the final hunt, they are flaunting this to Alex by posting the TTA videos we have so far. "Alex we are coming for you, and Jay's going to lead us completely willingly now!"


Just one problem with this: Let's assume Jay didn't upload the footage to the internet. How would Alex have known when to send Jay the "Help Me" tape?
When the Operator told him he was ready.



He actually only gave that to Jay BECAUSE Jay was investigating. alex calls jay out on posting the videos to youtube in 52, he was well aware of the channel. keep in mind at the time 52 occurred, only the first 26 entries were posted for alex to see. he didn't know just how much jay knew when he pointed the gun on them, he just assumed jay knew about the sacrificing of brian, not things like entry 43 and 45 and others (this has nothing to do with the quoted post i just felt like pointing it out)


i just relaized something else: alex probably gave jay that "anonymous tip" back in entry 16. the operator was in the house, and so was totheark. we know tta was following jay, what if he was doing so to find alex all the way back then too? the next time jay goes back, tim is there because he thinks jay is working with alex in some way, and TIM is the one who does the sacrificing in 23 because he doesn't realize jay is innocent

it's the only explanation that i can come up with as to the events of 18 and 23

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If Alex gave Jay the tip, I'd think he'd know that Jay was likely to go back to the house given his behavior. Not to mention his over-twittering so its possible Alex was behind the sacrifice in 23. Or of course the Operator made his own choice to screw with Jay there. He obviously has some degree of autonomy and may not require strict sacrifices to attack/slenderize people.

I don't really see evidence at any point that Tim is working with the Operator. He acts jittery in #56, but really there's a huge number of explanations for that and honestly if he was working with the Operator and planning on sacrificing Alex I would think he'd be much less jittery. All the times Alex sacrifices someone he becomes almost monotone, which seems to be the opposite of Tim's behavior leading me to believe he wasn't. Moreover, pretty much anytime we see Tim he's kind of an awkward person. If you look at the videos of him just being around everyone, he strikes me as a touch anxious and perhaps thats just his perma-state of being.

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