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Sarah is totheark and this is why. (long.)
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Slendrdog
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Foood wrote:
The Percolator wrote:
No, I knew Jessica was also a hire, but I thought I read Sarah was too. Either way, it doesn't detract from my point, and actually helps my argument if the case is that she's not.


Through all the lurking I've done, I'm almost certain that Sarah's actress is not, in fact, a hire and was actually one of Troy and Joseph's friends from high school.


I think you're right, I remember in the S2 commentary when they were discussing Jessica, Troy said that she (the girl who played Jessica) was the first real actress (laughing about how seriously she took them and how they didn't want to waste her time when she was on set) to work for them since up 'til then they'd used friends and acquaintances.

Also, I really do like this theory, and you make some really cool points. I wouldn't rule Seth out just because the series has a tendency for red herrings though. The timeline stuff is definitely awesome though, and I really liked hoe you brought together the 7 eyes + one eyed baby doll + one eyed hoody thing.

And finally, I just want to say in support of your theory, you mentioned the bit about the TTA vid that showed the sketch of hoody against the tree that says "did you see me" and I just want to say, I've never bought that as solid proof that TTA is hoody and only hoody, because TTA jumps around with its use of pronouns so much "We will wait... Lead me... " etc so I think maybe "me" is a way of saying, either TTA alternates who makes the videos or whose voice the video is conveying (random mental image of masky/hoody/woodsy/skully/whoever drawing straws for this week's editing chores), or TTA considers the entire group a part of itself, like all the members are one person, if that makes any sense at all?

Dunno, looking too much into it, I'm sure.

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pravado
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Slendrdog wrote:
Foood wrote:
The Percolator wrote:
No, I knew Jessica was also a hire, but I thought I read Sarah was too. Either way, it doesn't detract from my point, and actually helps my argument if the case is that she's not.


Through all the lurking I've done, I'm almost certain that Sarah's actress is not, in fact, a hire and was actually one of Troy and Joseph's friends from high school.


I think you're right, I remember in the S2 commentary when they were discussing Jessica, Troy said that she (the girl who played Jessica) was the first real actress (laughing about how seriously she took them and how they didn't want to waste her time when she was on set) to work for them since up 'til then they'd used friends and acquaintances.

Also, I really do like this theory, and you make some really cool points. I wouldn't rule Seth out just because the series has a tendency for red herrings though. The timeline stuff is definitely awesome though, and I really liked hoe you brought together the 7 eyes + one eyed baby doll + one eyed hoody thing.

And finally, I just want to say in support of your theory, you mentioned the bit about the TTA vid that showed the sketch of hoody against the tree that says "did you see me" and I just want to say, I've never bought that as solid proof that TTA is hoody and only hoody, because TTA jumps around with its use of pronouns so much "We will wait... Lead me... " etc so I think maybe "me" is a way of saying, either TTA alternates who makes the videos or whose voice the video is conveying (random mental image of masky/hoody/woodsy/skully/whoever drawing straws for this week's editing chores), or TTA considers the entire group a part of itself, like all the members are one person, if that makes any sense at all?

Dunno, looking too much into it, I'm sure.


well if you rewatch entry 42 you can see hoody sitting under the tree as alex gets out of his car, there's no way some random person is wearing a beige hoody and joseph decided to get them in frame

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Slendrdog
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 		Ah, I don't think I was really clear enough, by hoody not being TTA I meant more that he's not the only person in TTA. i do believe that hoody was definitely the one sitting in the park and the one the sketch was referencing, just not that TTA saying "did you see me" proves that TTA is hoody and only hoody. Sorry for the confusion.

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TheInformer
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 		Why are we still discussing this?? I have posted my theory, which is the most likely according to several sources... BEcause I don't feel like linking it... I'll give you the TL;DR

Brian, Tim, Sarah, and Seth are TTA... Maybe not Seth... But there is a crapton of evidence to support this.

You're bad and you should feel bad.

/endrant

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The Percolator
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 		Haha, well yeah, it's the theory everyone's pursued. Totheark consists of ALL of the cast members who aren't Alex or Jay. But honestly, it just seems too easy/obvious and takes away from the fun.

We know specifically that it's definitely more than one person, because we have Hoody and we have Masky. But why only send two people out, if you have twice as many numbers? I was an avid supporter of the 4 Maskies theory, but I have rewatched and rewatched and rewatched the first 2 seasons numerous times, as I'm sure many of you have, showing new friends and the such the entire series and enveloping them in and I develop new theories every time. Doing so (and also with the appearance of Hoody) has negated my liking for the 4 Maskies theory, and I think it's a more centralized part of the crew, namely the 2 or 3 that survived.

BirdieJava wrote:
I don't really buy it, there isn't enough clear clues (not just derived from wild speculation) in the series and the fact that Sarah the actress is barely mentioned, less than Brian, Amy or even Seth leads to conclude that Sara was not important to the plot.


Well, this just isn't true, at least the latter anyways. Sarah is the only female cast/crew member we know of and Jay mentions a girl off screen in Entry 7, we see her in 9, and hear her in 12, and she's mentioned again in 22. Like I said, she appears/referenced about as much as Seth, and I think the reason why Seth gets that slight more on screen focus is to throw us off the only other person with the "S" initial. As for the lack of clear clues...

Sinkes wrote:
We don't have much to go on in this series, and he had a shocking amount of evidence, considering.


First of all, I just want to say thank you Sinkes, I appreciate it. This is a speculative theory, but one I have a pretty firm stance in. The details (such as the possibility of her being a gunshot/drowning victim) are probably off, but I do believe she was the first too perish. Another one of the big reasons why I believe so is because of the key in tta's response to Entry 12 (first definitely on screen Operator chronological appearance aside from speculative sightings in 5) which was...

ToTheArcanine wrote:
Could "There was mre" mean that more than Brian/Tim/Seth were brought to the hospital?


Which, with that single O that stands out of all the 0s, decodes as There Was More. With Alex, Brian, and Sarah as the only three that seem to be present at the shoot (and with Sarah as, and something I want to stress, acting camerawoman) we are told that there was more to that tape after it cuts off with Alex approaching The Operator and saying "Hey buddy". Jay speculates that the camerawoman (if theory stands, Sarah) turned off the tape, but he notices...

Jay wrote:
"Hello Dav. I have been asked this question numerous times already even though entry 12 has only been up for a few hours now. I should have made it more clear within the entry, I apologize.

Anyway, yes, what happens after that clip is VERY important. Unfortunately, the girl operating the camera at the time stopped recording as Alex walked on screen. There was a little bit of time left on the tape (around 4 or 5 minutes) after this clip, but it's blank. I'm not sure if Alex changed tapes early or not, because I have yet to find another tape that "matches" with this clip. It's frustrating to say the least.

Thank you for the question, I will continue searching.


And this being so early on in the chronological timeline of Season 1, I feel like something here pushed Sarah into the wheel of fate surrounding The Operator, whatever happened in those 4 to 5 minutes. Now, think about this, say it is Alex, Brian, and Sarah only in this encounter. When is the next time The Operator shows up to Alex, Brian, and "a girl off camera"? Entry 7, which leads to Advocate, where the same strange S marking is at the top right corner of the video, when it pans to the right to show the backseat where the "girl off camera" should be seated (Sarah). Hope this makes my case a little more viable!

(Last of all, I thought it was interesting wording by Troseph to use "girl operating the camera" as the verb, and while it could be coincidence or red herring, maybe we should take it as a grain of salt in looking into The Operator's origins...)

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NewInTown2
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 		Apart from the drowning, the shooting and the eye thing a pretty good theory if you ask me. But of course it's not a definite explanation for tta's identity.

For me the main TTA guy still is Tim, just because he is the one that stars the most in the videos, but of course that could be a way to trick us into thinking he's the main guy.


Also note that there already is a timeline of the series (check the stickies), could probably save you a lot of work Razz

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The Percolator
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NewInTown2 wrote:
Apart from the drowning, the shooting and the eye thing a pretty good theory if you ask me. But of course it's not a definite explanation for tta's identity.

For me the main TTA guy still is Tim, just because he is the one that stars the most in the videos, but of course that could be a way to trick us into thinking he's the main guy.

Also note that there already is a timeline of the series (check the stickies), could probably save you a lot of work Razz


Thank you very much, I appreciate it! I see Tim as TTA's "footman", the guy that goes out and gets all the dirty work done. But to each their own!

When I say I'm getting a Season 1 timeline set up, I mean chronological (to include the behind the scenes events too, in the order that they happened in 2006), not in the order that the entries were released. Smile I also disagree with Marble Hornets Wiki correct timeline, and I base mine mostly off background information and on Alex's personality deterioration.

For example, in my 2006 chronological timeline so far, it looks like:

Pre 2006
enttry 37 - April 4th, 1991 - Alex's 5th or 6th Birthday.

2006
Entry 5
Entry 12
Entry 54

The reasons for placing them as so will be given whenever I've completed my 2006 timeline, but those are the 4 entries I put earliest in a chronological timeline so far.

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 		Can you please explain why you put #54 so early, given that the prevalence of the Operator suggests that it happens closer to the end of the past footage? Alex's behavior in that footage suggests that he is full in the Operator's sway at that point.

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Zarggg wrote:
Can you please explain why you put #54 so early, given that the prevalence of the Operator suggests that it happens closer to the end of the past footage? Alex's behavior in that footage suggests that he is full in the Operator's sway at that point.


I think you got entry 54 mixed up with entry 56. Entry 54 is the one in Tim's apartment.

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 		Well rewatch the video in mind that Alex isn't acting. He seems genuinely happy, he's joking around with his friends, and he even questions why, "is (he) the one holding the camera"?

He doesn't seem to be visibly seeking out The Operator at this point or filming himself constantly (so with this logic in mind), it proceeds Entry 4, 13, and 3.

Tim is the big reason why I put this and Entry 55 also before Entry 20 (and making the majority of Season 1 taking placing in the span of about 2-3 weeks). Tim exhibits no sign of the cough or his medication that he exhibits in 20, and Alex and Jay look and speak as if they are visibly surprised by the condition he is in in Entry 20 and asking if he is okay. Yet, in Entry 54 and 55, he has not yet exhibited the severe extremes of his symptoms (nor received medication), and we even hear him on the phone with his doctor.

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Zarggg wrote:
Can you please explain why you put #54 so early, given that the prevalence of the Operator suggests that it happens closer to the end of the past footage? Alex's behavior in that footage suggests that he is full in the Operator's sway at that point.


If you're in sync with which entry is which and all, I think Alex was in league with the Operator at this point, but somehow not completely infatuated like he obviously has been in Entry 56 and Entry 51. And the only reason I think that is because everytime I watch it, I shudder at the face he makes right before the Operator comes in. He looks at Tim like, "Get ready to die."

So I don't think it's the earliest in the series, but still early on to where Alex hasn't gone completely insane yet.

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Jamocha101 wrote:
Zarggg wrote:
Can you please explain why you put #54 so early, given that the prevalence of the Operator suggests that it happens closer to the end of the past footage? Alex's behavior in that footage suggests that he is full in the Operator's sway at that point.


If you're in sync with which entry is which and all, I think Alex was in league with the Operator at this point, but somehow not completely infatuated like he obviously has been in Entry 56 and Entry 51. And the only reason I think that is because everytime I watch it, I shudder at the face he makes right before the Operator comes in. He looks at Tim like, "Get ready to die."

So I don't think it's the earliest in the series, but still early on to where Alex hasn't gone completely insane yet.


also the note he plays on the piano and how he makes it louder before slendy appears. they had alex make that face for a reason imo

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The Percolator
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We're talking about this right? I just interpreted it as Alex looking unaware and just goofing off, although I'm sure I could be wrong. Alex and Tim are getting along just fine with zero hostility, Tim doesn't have the coughs, and Entry 55 seems to occur not long after. Alex acts like a completely different person altogether in between 55 and 56, AND you can kind of tell some of the hostility from Entry 9 is still there by the way of arguing whether to check out the Annex or not.

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 		Regarding the one-eyed Sarah theory, I think the bullet casing that Jay found in the apartment IS relevant. Now I saw that people thought that Sarah got shot and it resulted in one-eyedness, but I feel that would not support the Sarah is TTA theory because she most likely would have died from the injury (At least I cannot think of a way that being shot which results in blindness/ loss of eye can not be fatal.) Instead I propose the theory that Sarah was the one who fired the shot.

Picture this Sarah is in a hostile situation (either from Alex/Operator/Both) and she has a gun to defend herself. How experienced do ANY of the MH Crew seem with firearms? So she fires the gun to defend herself, but she didn't know how the gun kicks, so the recoil causes the gun to fly back. and she hits herself in the face with the gun, most likely in the eye (This is not as uncommon as it sounds when inexperienced people fire a gun.) The pain would cause her to be stunned and to stagger. She is now susceptible to whomever the hostiles were.

If it was Alex who was bringing her to the Operator (or visa-versa), then they would have complete control over the situation now, and they have won. From Alex's perspective it would be a humorous (twisted) victory. He could easily take the fired shell as a trophy, of his victory. Or he could simply take it so hide the evidence.

One final thing I wish point out is that IF Sarah (Or anyone!) injured her eye through the recoil of a gun, there would be a good amount of blood. Just a thought to keep in mind when you have or will see blood in the entires (Especially locations and Alex!) Remember... There was more.

Anyway, that's just my take on it Very Happy
EDIT: Fixed some grammatical mistakes. Razz

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 		the one eye thing refers to being taken over by the operator. it's extremely obvious

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