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Sarah is totheark and this is why. (long.)
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FalloutGhoul
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Hey, now.
Let's keep this clean. Smile

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:18 pm

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FalloutGhoul wrote:

Hey, now.
Let's keep this clean. Smile

You're right. I should wash my mouth out with Tim.

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:51 pm

Debaser
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The Percolator wrote:

sweetgums wrote:

pravado wrote:

You have to realize that this would never be a situation presented in MH

I personally think that this bit is a little far-fetched, but can we be 100% sure that this is a situation that would never occur? We ain't Troseph, we can't say for sure what can or cannot happen.

For this theory, there are some details that make me unsure of it but most of the arguments actually sound kind of plausible, given that practically everything about this series is about speculation; there are few things that we can actually take as "certain". After this, I wouldn't be surprised it TTA is actually Sarah. This theory has partially converted me from a "Seth-is-TTA" to "Sarah-is-TTA".

Glad to have you on board, and like I said, I'm 95% sure that for the unveil, it'll be Sarah. How or why, might not be exactly in line, but I'm trying to rig a particular reason for the bullet shell at all.

pravado wrote:

well for one, if alex shot sarah in the face and took out her eye, she'd probably be dead or at the least handicapped and unable to make totheark videos. even if she lived, there would still be blood all over the carpet where jay found the bullet casing (unless you want to tell me someone planted the casing there in which case i think you're nutso)

they make it very clear that the operator symbol over the eye is supposed to insinuate that they have caught the slender sickness and lost their memory (seen by inquiry)

The operator symbol appears over seth or brians eye in inquiry, are you gonna tell me alex shot one of them in the eye too? is alex just goin around shooting peoples eyes out on purpose

i'm all for the whole "nothing is fact, everything is speculation" but some things are just entirely too far fetched to be possible. WHY would they even make it a plot device? it doesn't fit in with the story. if alex didn't want to kill tim in 35, he sure as hell wouldn't have shot sarah in the face

isn't it more likely that someone shot at slendy in an attempt to prevent themselves from being stalked further only to find out bullets dont work against him

Pravado, I want to point out that I stated numerous times that the bullet shell COULD be unrelated to Sarah being totheark (and I was just trying to find reason for the bullet shell and odd eye references). That being said, let me present my counter argument on why it's definitely possible

Well for one, if Alex shot Sarah in the eye, she would probably be dead or at least handicapped. Pravado, thank you for educating me and the rest of the board about that, I would be a really shitty pre-med student if I was just learning this now. Which is why I reasoned before that if she survived, there more than likely WAS some kind of mental deterioration resulting in the bizarre style of totheark's videos. Alternatively, as I also stated previous, there could of been an Operator negotiation/intervention on her part, and she is living through supernatural means, and as I said, I theorized that the ark was something that would lead her to liberation through a peaceful death (as in, a vessel that lead to greater things) or death itself.

They make it very clear that The Operator symbol (over the eye) implies slender sickness. That's cool man, I never said that it didn't. The only reference I've made was to "Indicator", where the baby doll's right eye is MISSING and the baby's left eye has the appearance of a 0 dial key on a phone, accompanied by the OPER. The Operator symbol isn't even present in Indicator, making your argument about the "Operator symbol in front of the eye" null in the first place.

But, sure, let's use Inquiry in this argument. In fact, 29 seconds into Inquiry...

Look like a bleeding eye to anyone else?

I'm not arguing that The Operator symbol appearing on someone marks some degree or control or association. enttry 37 makes that pretty clear. But, considering we don't even know the purpose for the Operator Symbol OR who that even is that appears on it, your counterargument loses more and more ground. You're pretty damn sure that it's Seth or Brian. Let's break that down:

- The 1st You Are You picture is the one you're speaking of. The Operator Symbol does appear over where the eye would be, but with all the distortion it's impossible to tell who it is. Sure, Seth is a viable candidate. I think Brian is unlikely because I believe him to be the last Who Are You? photo. But what if it's not Seth, and it's Jay? What if his eye being marked is tta's way of saying "You're the camera guy", recording all these Operator events and posting the entries up. Or even if it is Seth, what if Seth is Hoody and that's Sarah's way of saying she trusts him? I will repeat again, my previous arguments didn't even make any point of The Operator Symbol over the eye meaning the eye was shot. The lost eye argument was made from the lack of any eye to begin with in Indicator. And all, in all, what all the distortion in that first photo, I would have a good laugh if it turned out to be Sarah.

"I could of done worse and I probably should of" are Alex's exact words from Entry 36. Alex probably wanted to kill Tim, and probably didn't do it because Jay was around. Alex needed Jay to trust him, because as we've seen before, Alex has a penchant for sacrificing people to The Operator and possibly plans to do it (again?) to Jay at some point. Alex could also need Tim alive for some purpose too (to make it look like Jay has more enemies than friends, to put Alex in a better light, and maybe even for sacrificial purposes).

The bullet shell could be planted. It's definitely not the first thing we've seen planted before. Addition tells us that Masky (or another part of tta) was in that house. Masky has planted his own mask, a safe code, and possibly even the bullet shell. In fact, a plant makes an INCREDIBLE amount of sense. Sure, the bullet shell could of been the remnant from a firing in the house, and Alex's drawings could of fallen on them after. BUT, remember what drawings Jay takes from the house, and remember that the bullet shell was UNDER drawings. One of the drawings that Jay gets is the "Sees me.. at the tower" leading him to The Red Tower. "Version" makes it clear that tta was more than likely the one that left that tape for Jay and not Alex (waiting for you). Maybe Masky planted that specific drawing and bullet shell together so Jay would find it. More curiously, we know why Masky would steal the pills, but why steal the bullet shell if it was just something that someone blindly attempted to use against The Operator?

Now, pravado, please don't tl;dr this. You doing so as frequently as you seem to do is making for some holes in your arguments. Wink

Just curious but couldn't it be a crying eye and not bleeding? A betrayed hurting kind of single tear?

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:02 am

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Oh, God. People still believe this drivel about Sarah being important? All I can say is...

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:37 pm

FalloutGhoul
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Serum wrote:

Oh, God. People still believe this drivel about Sarah being important? All I can say is...

And where is your theory saying she isn't?

Don't discredit another person's theory just because you don't like it.

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:05 pm

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FalloutGhoul wrote:

Serum wrote:

Oh, God. People still believe this drivel about Sarah being important? All I can say is...

And where is your theory saying she isn't?

Don't discredit another person's theory just because you don't like it.

I'm not discrediting because I don't like it, I'm discrediting it because it's an asinine, illogical and, frankly put, retarded "theory" that I think a troll created for the sole purpose of throwing people for a loop. It has no solid ground to stand on. Sarah appears in one entry, and then is only mentioned once or twice after that. She is not ToTheArk, that would be like watching a movie where a house full of guests get killed and in the end it turns out to be the butler who was only in one scene at the very beginning.

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:14 pm

Debaser
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Serum wrote:

FalloutGhoul wrote:

Serum wrote:

Oh, God. People still believe this drivel about Sarah being important? All I can say is...

And where is your theory saying she isn't?

Don't discredit another person's theory just because you don't like it.

Actually I think it's far more likely to be her than Seth or Brian.

If Alex/The Operator has killed once...and if Brian did die...Seth in all probability died prior to the "Confession" tape about everyone being "Gone", that Alex made.

There is a female holding the camera when Alex says "hey buddy" to The Operator in one of the earliest entries. Sarah does say in another video that she used the camera for a bit.

I'm not sure that any conjecture about her being shot in the eye is worth having, because I don't see any specifics there to go on that would lead me to believe that. BUT...I would even say that Jessica is more like to be Hoody over Seth and Brian.

Still...the Sigma symbol..."S"...Sarah could be a red herring, but she's under-developed and therefore easy to use in this role since there's not much to go on that would make it an obvious plot-hole.

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:17 am

Zarggg
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Debaser wrote:

Actually I think it's far more likely to be her than Seth or Brian.

But why is she the most likely? Process of elimination does not work here, because we are not left with Sarah as the only candidate.

Debaser wrote:

There is a female holding the camera when Alex says "hey buddy" to The Operator in one of the earliest entries. Sarah does say in another video that she used the camera for a bit.

That character was not Sarah, but an unnamed female extra.

Debaser wrote:

I would even say that Jessica is more like to be Hoody over Seth and Brian.

Again, why?

Debaser wrote:

She's under-developed and therefore easy to use in this role since there's not much to go on that would make it an obvious plot-hole.

This is the exact reason most of us believe she cannot be ToTheArk: She has almost no character development at all.

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:01 pm

FalloutGhoul
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Zarggg wrote:

Debaser wrote:

There is a female holding the camera when Alex says "hey buddy" to The Operator in one of the earliest entries. Sarah does say in another video that she used the camera for a bit.

That character was not Sarah, but an unnamed female extra.

Care to provide proof to this?

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:03 pm

CraicIsMighty
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FalloutGhoul wrote:

Zarggg wrote:

Debaser wrote:

There is a female holding the camera when Alex says "hey buddy" to The Operator in one of the earliest entries. Sarah does say in another video that she used the camera for a bit.

That character was not Sarah, but an unnamed female extra.

Care to provide proof to this?

The girl who was holding the camera OOG was confirmed somewhere to be a different girl than the one who played Sarah. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that IG Sarah wasn't holding the camera, kind of like how OOG Troy was the one holding the camera in entry 22 when IG it was supposed to be Seth.

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:17 pm

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FalloutGhoul wrote:

Zarggg wrote:

Debaser wrote:

There is a female holding the camera when Alex says "hey buddy" to The Operator in one of the earliest entries. Sarah does say in another video that she used the camera for a bit.

That character was not Sarah, but an unnamed female extra.

Care to provide proof to this?

Can you provide proof that there weren't aliens at the first Thanksgiving?

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:32 pm

FalloutGhoul
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Serum wrote:

FalloutGhoul wrote:

Zarggg wrote:

Debaser wrote:

There is a female holding the camera when Alex says "hey buddy" to The Operator in one of the earliest entries. Sarah does say in another video that she used the camera for a bit.

That character was not Sarah, but an unnamed female extra.

Care to provide proof to this?

Can you provide proof that there weren't aliens at the first Thanksgiving?

lolsouthpark Laughing

You mean like they were the Pilgrims from another world?

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:14 pm

hachiman
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:38 am

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hachiman wrote:

Serum likes this.

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hachiman wrote:

Every so often, you guys make me smile. I never thought an aptly engraved headstone would give me the warm fuzzies.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:36 pm

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