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[Blank_Zero]

[pravado]

The operator button that appears on the doll follows the same theory of being possessed (he sees what i see or something to that effect)

most of your counter arguments aren't counter arguments at all, and really grasping at straws when it comes to realistically how the plot would be resolved in your situation

i will edit this post tomorrow when i have more time

[The Percolator]

[ToTheArcanine]

[Spades Slick]

on the topic of brian: im still not 100% certain he's dead. we can't be sure what the slenderfication process entails, and i think assuming it's an inherently fatal process is a bad idea.

The signs of death we saw from him were as follows:

1. Lying down

2. Being silent

3. Being dragged.

These are all also signs of unconsciousness.

I have a feeling that the slenderfication process has more to do with losing ones sanity/identity (i like the second one best) and less to do with losing one's life.

it might just me being in love with the brian tta theory still but i am sticking to it

edit: also as a side note i love how the op went from "pravado you are fine man" to "you are my favorite troll." i expect this thread to be closed due to the seeming uprising in sensitivity and taking things personally that are usually signaled by the use of the term troll.

Edit2: Also back on topic lets not forget the fact that, assuming all costumes are completely unique, we have 5 survivors, 6 if none of the masked men seen thus fare are TTA, not 3 as previously stated. That would be Jay, Tim, TTA, Masky, Hoodie, and Masky2 (from the entry where they assaulted alex)

Out of the marble hornets cast and all others involved we have Jay, Brian, Amy, Jessica, Tim, Sarah, Seth (from what i can think of) which is 8, 2 of whom weren't marble hornets cast members, which leaves us once more at 6.

This opens up the possibility that even more of them lasted through the slendersickness/assaults. makes me wonder if whatever slenderman does to people actually "cures" death considering alex seemed to have pretty thoroughly offed everyone thus far. Which leads into my biggest theory yet.

Bruce is TTA.

[The Percolator]

[ToTheArcanine]

Brian can't be TTA because he's dead.
Seth can't be TTA because he's dead.
Tim can't be TTA because he's maskie.
Sarah can't be TTA because that means Troy would let us guess right.
Alex can't be TTA because he's a horrible filmmaker who could never make such classics as Return and Inquiry.
Jay can't be TTA because that would make Jay way too cool.
The Operator can't be TTA because Slendy is phone.
Jessica and Amy got evicted and sold Alex's camera for $20. They can't be TTA.

Who does this leave us with? Bruce and the antique store lady, who co-founded the Young Mask's Chill Association for troubled youths with mental conditions.
Slendy is trying to drive them out of business by taking all the troubled youths with mental conditions for himself, therefore Team Hoodie was dispatched to save the YMCA from Slender attendance records.

[Necronoxide]

[pravado]

the operator doesn't kill people.

if alex wanted brian dead, he'd have killed him. we'd have seen a blood trail following his body being dragged away.

if alex wanted tim dead, he had PLENTY of chances to kill him.

the only person alex ever wanted dead was jay, and that's only because jay had evidence that he was a bad guy. if the operator had the power to kill, he wouldn't even bother bringing jay and jessica to the foresty area, he would have just entered their homes and killed them individually.


the fact is, the operator weakens people with his power that chills peoples bodies up so bad that they have to take a breather. it's his way of "stalking" his victims, he weakens them from a distance and then attempts to attack them. sometimes he just flat out attacks them. sometimes alex knocks them out (maybe to prove his loyalty or maybe the operator isn't ready for them). my point is that if the operator wanted to kill people, they would be dead already. if alex wanted to kill people, they would be dead already.





in the following post i will counter your points that i didn't have time to last night (kind of unfair that i said i didn't have time to type then and you went off on me for having a lack of opposition)

[The Percolator]

[pravado]

Notice the trend? It works backwards. Which means during the weeks that "stuff came up", Alex was getting rid of Sarah first, and then Jay. We see more or less how the three guys are taken out, and NONE of them (except with the possibility of Brian) were shot. Jay is completely fine with no sign of bullet injury, which leaves our actress Sarah who I believed was shot by Alex. - you don't know that this works backwards at all. only tim and brian and seth are the ones that we've seen been abducted and even then we really can't take alex's words for truth when we know he lies (totheark makes this very clear to us). again i propose, why does someone have to be shot? the bullet casing was left with no blood anywhere nearby.



First and foremost, addressing Seth, I believe he is the red herrings of red herrings. Throwing Occam's Razor out the window, he's just way too obviously the choice, and I feel like this fact is being manipulated. He's the cameraman, the first we see "executed" of the cast, and he even pops back up for a few moments in Season 3. - sarah pops up on the dvd, why is she not a red herring? she's featured more than seth in the series.


- Entry 12 is generally regarded as the one of the earliest entries we've seen so far (the second earliest is usually the consensus, after Entry 5). There are only 3 people confirmed present. They are Alex and Brian who we see on camera, and a camerawoman (the only one who it could of been would be Sarah). This might of tied her into fate with working against The Operator as totheark, being one of the first to encounter him (take note at this point, Alex does not seem to be aware of what The Operator is, beginning to speak with him with "Hey buddy"). Important of note is that they are waiting for Tim to show up, seemingly tying the fates of those 4 (Alex, Brian, Tim, and Sarah). "Impurity" even tells us "There was more", telling us that something happened during this time, and I believe Sarah is a part of it. - but we know jay has been involved as well (the entries he doesn't remember shooting). alex even says in this entry "live we're gonna do a camera cut and get seth to control it"

- totheark's very first reply "Regards" is directly in response to Entry 9. This is our introduction to both Seth and Sarah (and less notably Tim), but we are told to Look Closely by totheark. This leaves Seth and Sarah as the two prime candidates, both who seemed to take a little bit of verbal abuse from Alex. - and if we are being told to look closely, isn't it more likely that it is seth since he pops in frame for a second or two whereas sarah is in frame the whole time? you wouldn't have to look closely to see her

- Whoever totheark was had access to Alex's tapes because of "Operator", or at least access to the audio. Seth seems more likely here, but Sarah has also acted as camerawoman as we discussed before. - sarah was only camerawoman in entry 12 temporarily. alex even says "live we'll do a camera cut and get seth to control it." Seth is known to be the cameraman/editor in the series. in the newer entry with him, he asks if alex has the tapes and then jay says "you better get a move on" after seth realizes alex went home - this indicates that seth handled the footage

- "Deluge" reversed and sped up x2 gives us a GIRL'S voice repeating "Alex", followed by the message of "Watching You". - totheark is known for taking clips of things. not much to argue about here though.



- ADVOCATE was one of the biggest headaches I think we've dealt with. Entry 7 tells us that there's a girl present in the car. However, Advocate shows the backseat with no one there. We also see the S symbol (or initial I think) in the top right corner. The way I've comprehended it is, as the first of Alex's victims (who instead of being Slenderized, Alex attempted and possibly succeeded in actually killing), Sarah is a "ghost". - advocate doesn't show nobody there, it cuts off beforehand. it's obviously sarah back there, but it is different footage from entry 7. either way, this doesn't prove anything

- Everything else is pretty vague, but "Reminder" asks "Do You Remember Me?" Again, this points to it most likely being Sarah or Seth. - could be brian or pretty much any character we ran into by that point

The other big thing is all the water imagery in totheark's videos, SPECIFICALLY the "are you drowning" from "Broadcast". I've been thinking and I feel like this may of been Sarah's fate not only can you not make out the people, but the video is taken from under water (dvds confirmed this) - they don't want you to know who it is.

- Sarah was the first one to notice Alex's suspicious change in behavior, and begin to follow him sometime after her initial encounter in Entry 12. - replace sarah with totheark here

- By the time of Exit takes place, she is stalking Alex and Jay trying to figure out what is going on. and here

- Alex finds out that she knows about his slowly descent into madness, and (possibly loses control) and shoots her, keeping the bullet casing on his person as to not be caught. then why carry it to brians house

- Alex dumps Sarah's corpse, or possibly attempts to drown the injured-but-still living cast member in some kind of body of water (a lake or swamp judging by the poem in Operator with the "Are you drowning" from "Broadcast" being a taunt). we know the operator makes the dead/unconcious bodies vanish, there is no need for this

- Alex realizes at this point that he has to use The Operator to rid himself of Jay, Tim, Brian, and Seth, the remaining crew, but does not realize that The Operator makes some kind of negotiation with Sarah so that she may survive (possibly taking her sanity). - this is what i'm talking about when i say far fetched. the operator wouldn't negotiate with a victim. he would have just taken her sanity if he wanted it (if he's even capeable of doing that, it's strongly implied alex lost his sanity due to severe paranoia and nothing more

- Alex wises up, and uses The Operator to assist in "sacrificing". He attempts to get Jay next, possibly knocking him out and having The Operator do work on him. Sarah is able to rescue Jay through unknown means (without Alex's knowledge) without any consequences except for memory loss. - replace sarah with totheark here

- Tim and Brian are both attempted to be executed by Alex not long in between each other. While Alex is preoccupied with Brian, Sarah is able to save Tim (whose sickness symptoms such as the coughing are actually his body attempting to reject The Operator as a sort of virus, and possibly protecting him from being sacrificed). Tim develops an alter ego to cope with the events (one that only emerges during his unconsciousness, explaining Tim's sleep problems). This alter ego is also aware of everything Alex has done, and as such, is incorporated into totheark. - we know that she doesn't save tim. the coughing is clearly influenced by the chill the operator enduces a persons body with. tim never claimed to have sleep problems, and split personalities don't work that way, memory is not retained with only one part of the personality

- It is possible that Sarah and Tim are able to save one, or even both, of the other two crew members. I say this for reasons because Hoody seems to have a male frame when he turns up again in 45, and this could either be Seth or Brian. At the moment I am going to say BRIAN is definitely DEAD. The reasons for this being that Tim at least coughs to let us know he's still alive. Brian's body is stripped and dragged. Things do not look too good for Seth either, but at the very least, if he were to be inducted into TTA it would explain all the nifty camera work. - refer to my previous post. also you are using OOG elements to explain IG elements. tim played hoody in 41 and troy played him in 45. tim didn't move from the spot he was in in 56 for a few hours at least, he could have stilll been slendified during that time

- Now, to get down to the last two things, and they're the big ones. Entry 53 and Reminder tell us that tta was filming Jay film into the shop. Someone enhanced a reflection, and it seemed like a skinny feminine figure doing the recording. This fits Sarah's description perfectly. Also, not to say anything feminine about Troy, but OOG, we know that he filled in for Hoody during the initial appearance in 42. His skinny shorter stature fits well for standing in for a female, such as Sarah. - again taking OOG elements and using them IG. could have been anyone avilable for filming that day that was filming jay stepping in for the character of TTA

- This very last one though, is attributed most to Lifegospel, who pointed out that if you put all the S1 totheark video descriptions together, you get "Yes, Remember me? 7 eyes. s.+"

What I always got from the last part of it, the "s.+" was "sarah and tim" (possibly seth and tim, but again, least likely in my eyes). As for the "7 eyes" bit, that always confused me. Sticking with my theory, we know that Alex, Jay, and Tim obviously all have 7 eyes. What if Sarah was shot in one of hers whenever she was attacked by Alex? - or what if they were meant to be individual words referencing the specific entries (we know 7 was bc of entry 7, etc). it's not even a coherent sentence

It's possible I'll turn out to be completely wrong, but I thought it was an interesting idea I needed to get out there after remembering all the subtle "S" hints that totheark dropped about. I also don't think Brian is a viable candidate as totheark's main brain just because nothing attributes him to being techsavvy in any way and again, Seth just seems way to obvious of a red herring. (totheark asks in "Remember" "do you remember me?" and then Seth shows up in 54? I feel like it's TOO obvious to the point of playing mind games.) - tim was obviously masky in entry 19, they're not going to rewrite their story because we have predictions

All in all, Sarah is the loose end that Alex never finished off, and is attempting revenge. The reason for the name "totheark" is because she wants to be able to embrace death (the ark), but cannot do so until Alex and/or The Operator have been defeated. Another supporting bit for this is the whole "smile for death" business. - we don't know that at all. we know jay was taken at some point but we haven't sen that and we're done with old footage.

(One last OOG sidenote. While I remember reading before that Sarah's actress was a hire, she reappears in the Marble Hornets trailer, and could seemingly just be rehired to finish out the parts that needed to. It was possibly that Troseph gave misleading information so that we wouldn't think that Sarah was a viable tta candidate. If I turn out to be completely wrong though, and tta turns out to be Seth, I won't mind.)




sarah was the camera woman one time and she was filling in for seth (alex even says seth will do the real take). she was an actress on set. seth handles all the footage, and if tim made it out alive, it's most likely that seth and brian did too.

your theory dismisses seth as a candidate because he's "too obvious" when in theory that should make him a better candidate.

and to be honest, there's no way sarah outran alex in entry 45 if you're assuming she's hoody. alex is significantly taller and has way more stride per step he takes.

i don't have a problem with sarah being a member of totheark. i strongly disagree that she is the head honcho if it's an organization, and if it turns out there's only one member, i highly doubt it'll be sarah. most of your assumptions fit both seth and sarah's descriptions (s's in videos, being present at so and so entry) and you just lean towards sarahs half of the 50/50 for purposes of the theory.

i still have to ask, why would alex shoot sarah in the face? you seem to think that getting shot in the eye will leave you "emotionally scarred" rather than physically scarred based on your rebuttal. if you get shot in the eye, you will most likely get hit in a part of your brain as well, and that would cause flat out retardation, not "creepy mental sickness." - again i propose the idea that someone shot at the operator in a panic, explaining the lack of a bullet and the lack of blood, but the shell is there. and did you seriously say someone planted the shell in brians house.. comeon thats just a throwaway plot device

basing the theory on the melted eye of a doll... well that doll is drawn on to look like tims mask. the mouth is burnt out too, did alex shoot her in the mouth as well? if anything, to me that doll says "you cant see for yourself or speak for yourself when you're under the influence of the operator

hopefully you see my side of things.

[Blank_Zero]

In this thread: people get butthurt at each other over a seemingly minor character thrust into the spotlight.

[The Percolator]

[pravado]

Alex is the one on camera in 22, not Seth.

Alex does mention Seth's name in 12. You might want to rewatch. Also the operator was there the whole time, the first line alex says "I don't know, he'll move" and says "just get seth to control it" in the second sentence

Alex was never living at Brians house.



And we know the operator can vanish dead and alive people (bruce and jay) so why would knocked out be any different

When I posted those things about replace sarah with tta, i wasn't seeing things your way. I was saying you were basically inserting sarah into that role even though it could be anyone we have seen so far in the series




pravado wrote:
could be brian or pretty much any character we ran into by that point

Reminder is a reply to Entry 53, and we just saw him in 51. We haven't seen Sarah or Seth in a whole season. - So what? this has nothing to do with anything




tim was obviously masky in entry 19, they're not going to rewrite their story because we have predictions


I'm not sure what you're arguing here, didn't say anything about him not being Masky. - Tim was predictable as masky early on, and you dismiss seth because he's "too predictable"


or what if they were meant to be individual words referencing the specific entries (we know 7 was bc of entry 7, etc). it's not even a coherent sentence

Of course it's suppose to reference each video, but I'm talking about the possibility that they form a long hint on top of it. - Then why stop after only a few?




That's fine and all, but it still doesn't explain the feminine figure in the reflection of 53 when we know Jay was being filmed. - are you not reading what i said or what




The reason why I'm adamant about Seth and Brian's demises is just because in Entry 22, Alex names both of them specifically as being gone, but whenever he mentions Tim, Jay, and Sarah he just kinds of trails off, and finishes with the "Everyone's gone" later, as kind of an after thought. -




do not reply to this. done arguing this theory

I wonder if the "do you feel like your underwater" has to do with the feeling you get when you're infected. Like your lungs just fill up with operator gases and you choke.

[The Percolator]

Screen time's the wrong word... entry time?

Alex says, "Uh, I dunno. He'll move. Uh, let's go ahead and get this shot. It is so hot. Brian, we have the camera cut. Just get set to control it, and we'll be out of here in a moment."

Looks like you're getting old buddy, might want to get that hearing aid soon.

Alex's drawings are at the house, as is the Operator symbols, and it has the same layout as the house in Entry 11.

Last of all, yes, I was being sarcastic about the thing with you agreeing that Sarah was tta.

I had a similar theory myself that the "are you drowning" could be taken in the sense of how Operator-infected are you.