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TheFuss wrote:
Does anyone see the Operator from 1:13 to 1:19? I can see him standing in the dark, visible up to about his waist (so no white bits), with a reaaally long arm dangling down to the left. If it's him, Tim walks past a few feet away from him, reminds of that entry where he's inside Alex's house and he doesn't notice. To help you out, he's to the right of center on screen at 1:15, but I can only pick him out when the camera's moving so a screenshot is impossible.


I can kinda see what you're talking about, but I'm inclined to say that it's just more doorframes/doorways or other aspects of the demolished buildings. There's no slender distortion to suggest that he's there, neither visual or audio distortion.

Speaking of which, anyone else catch the "angry alex" audio distortion when alex went by Tim while he was hiding in the annex? (starts just a bit after 5:20 and runs to around 5:37 as alex passes through the frame)

EDIT: oops, sorry for the double post. I meant to edit.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 11:04 am
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Fantastic entry. And not just filler. Tim didn't just end up in the annex (teleported, dragged, whatever), he walked there himself. And it looks like he was there for at least a day. The next glimpse of hope he gets is when Brian shows up at the door. And brings the Operator with him.

The terror that Tim felt when he was coughing and hiding was intense. It was pretty much what I had in my mind when I saw the closet in Entry #16 (The one with blankets and a water bottle. It looked like someone was in there, hiding from the Operator, waiting for it to leave. Terrifying stuff.) I'm also thinking that Tim used the camera's nightvision to help him get around in the dark. He's using his hand to work out where the walls are at various points, and he manages to evade Alex even when Alex is standing right in front of him, so he must be doing his best to stay hidden. Now imagine you're in that position and you only have 5 minutes of battery life left...

There seemed to be some spots of light in this entry, or orbs or whatever you want to call them. I took a look back at Entry #22 and we see one at the end of the long pipe too. Significant?

Alex seems to be wearing the same shirt in this entry as in Entry #22, so Entry #22 might have happened the next day (or even the same day?) My theory is that Tim (perhaps as Masky) grabs Seth in Entry #22, at about 5:03. Seth clearly notices that someone is following him (as Jessica noticed in Entry #52, showing that Masky and co aren't particularly quiet when they stalk people) as he turns around quite a bit, for example at 4:54. After Seth gets grabbed the rest of Entry #22 doesn't make much sense- why would Alex talk to the camera and then say that he's going to burn the tapes? If he's going to burn them there's no point recording anything on them. He's edited them to make it look like he's the victim etc, so why not edit what happens after Seth gets grabbed? (As an aside, if you watch Entry #22 again you might notice how many metal things they walk on/bump into. Alex had plenty of weaponry at his disposal.)

And this might be a minor concern compared to the Operator and Alex stalking him, but how would Tim get back? He said that they'd have to share gas money to get there, so he and Alex only have one car. If Alex planned to end Tim then he'd be the driver. So Tim is left concussed in an abandoned building, stalked by the Operator and a psychopath, and he has no way of getting home? It must suck to be Tim!

My current theory: Tim wakes up, stumbles around a bit, hides in the annex to escape from Alex. He knows Alex is going to bring Seth to the basement, so he follows them down, and just before the Operator grabs Seth Tim tackles Seth and rescues him. He sticks around for a bit, because he knows Brian will be there too. He follows Alex and Brian to the annex, but this time the Operator causes a coughing fit and by the time Brian needs to be rescued Tim is in the corner coughing up a lung. Or who know, maybe seeing the Operator is enough motivation to get Tim to tackle Brian and move him out of the way? Then in Entry #18 Timasky does the same trick to save Jay. By the time Entry #35 happens Timasky has ruined every one of Alex's attempts to sacrifice people. No wonder they hate each other.

One final thought. Does the Operator cause coughing as a way to find people? A coughing person's much easier to find in the dark.

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ToTheArcanine wrote:
Alex left town because of TTA. Alex gave Jay the tapes to hide them from TTA. Jay's ENTIRE journey started on the heels of Alex hiding from victims he failed to kill!


I really, really like this theory. It explains a lot, and gives us a nice explanation of a lot of things. I want to rewatch Alex's "they're all gone" with this motive in mind.

I saw Slendrdog's attempt to place Operation Kralie (yes, it's catching on) early in the timeline. I'm not sure I agree with that, but I definitely agree that Alex's need to keep a camera on himself is linked to wanting the Operator watching him.
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This was a good character-focused entry. Like others have said, Tim really sold the terror of his situation.

I believe there is a potential Program/Advocate binary message showing up in the end distortion on this entry. There are three sets of four white bars, which flash white and transparent. They are moving way too fast for me to catch them all in order, but here's one of them (assuming white=0 and transparent=1):
Code:
101
000
001
010


That specific one comes out to 8 1 10. Anyone else get that vibe? Like 56, this might just be semi-random patterns thrown in to create unusual distortion. And there are two differences between the above pattern and the Program clock: There are three sets of numbers, and a column can add up past 9. That could throw a wrench in that theory, but I am interested to see what everyone else thinks.

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morscata12 wrote:
This was a good character-focused entry. Like others have said, Tim really sold the terror of his situation.

I believe there is a potential Program/Advocate binary message showing up in the end distortion on this entry. There are three sets of four white bars, which flash white and transparent. They are moving way too fast for me to catch them all in order, but here's one of them (assuming white=0 and transparent=1):
Code:
101
000
001
010


That specific one comes out to 8 1 10. Anyone else get that vibe? Like 56, this might just be semi-random patterns thrown in to create unusual distortion. And there are two differences between the above pattern and the Program clock: There are three sets of numbers, and a column can add up past 9. That could throw a wrench in that theory, but I am interested to see what everyone else thinks.


Wouldn't that set of binary be 5, 0, 1, 2?
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Hm, well I'm staying out of the "quality of entry" debate. On to speculation!!

So, what we know for sure about this place: There's a several-storey building, with a single-storey annexe nearby. Tim wakes up in the taller building in the same place where Alex hit him, and stumbles around in the dark. Eventually he ends up in the annexe - whether seeking shelter or somehow drawn in, I can't tell. All pretty straightforward, nothing we couldn't work out anyway.

I'm confused by to things:

1. What has Alex been doing? Its totally dark, so has to be hours later. Has Alex just been wandering round the area with a pipe for five hours like a videogame monster?

2. Tim's camera. At some point after #51, he escapes from this place. He definitely leaves with the tape, let's assume the camera as well. I had a quick look at entry #51 when Brian finds him, you can't see the camera as far as I can tell, though it could be bundled up in the blanket/jacket - maybe Tim knows (even in his concussed/slendywiped state) that he needs to hang on to this evidence. So, if the first time that tape has surfaced is four-five years later, what the hell was the point of it all? Tim obviously believed at the time that getting this on tape was crucial - has he not done anything?

Hum. As I typed that an idea formed. Maybe 'Masky' is kind of a guilt thing. If Tim had taken the tape proving Alex's violent actions to the police, perhaps Alex would have been stopped much sooner.

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rand__althor wrote:
morscata12 wrote:
I believe there is a potential Program/Advocate binary message showing up in the end distortion on this entry. There are three sets of four white bars, which flash white and transparent. They are moving way too fast for me to catch them all in order, but here's one of them (assuming white=0 and transparent=1):
Code:
101
000
001
010


That specific one comes out to 8 1 10. Anyone else get that vibe? Like 56, this might just be semi-random patterns thrown in to create unusual distortion. And there are two differences between the above pattern and the Program clock: There are three sets of numbers, and a column can add up past 9. That could throw a wrench in that theory, but I am interested to see what everyone else thinks.


Wouldn't that set of binary be 5, 0, 1, 2?


It depends if you translate off the columns or rows. ToTheArk's Advocate (and Program) had a binary clock with two integers defined as the columns - once a column went past 9, it reverted back to 0 and the next column ticked up by one. My instinct was to translate them by column because of that, but either approach could be viable.

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azureillusions wrote:
ToTheArcanine wrote:
Alex left town because of TTA. Alex gave Jay the tapes to hide them from TTA. Jay's ENTIRE journey started on the heels of Alex hiding from victims he failed to kill!


I really, really like this theory. It explains a lot, and gives us a nice explanation of a lot of things. I want to rewatch Alex's "they're all gone" with this motive in mind.

I saw Slendrdog's attempt to place Operation Kralie (yes, it's catching on) early in the timeline. I'm not sure I agree with that, but I definitely agree that Alex's need to keep a camera on himself is linked to wanting the Operator watching him.

Love these theorizing posts as well. It'd also explain some of Alex's rage about Jay putting the videos up on YouTube, soliciting comments, etc. - this almost certainly caught the attention of TTA/Masky/etc.

I'm also wondering about the "help!" tape sent to Jay - did Alex make it sound like he was that scared and helpless because he knew it'd get Jay's attention better? When they finally met up, Alex just sounded resentful/pissed. Or maybe that was part of his Operator-triggered bipolar disorder. Razz

Was the camera the way he "tagged" victims/offerings/whatever for the Operator and Amy picking it up meant she was doomed (as the overdue offering)? Maybe his attempt to give up filming anything - he was surprised he even had a camera any longer - really was an attempt at escape, then, or at least postponement.

Re. the comment previously about Tim not playing the old tapes - seriously? How many of you have a video camera that can play those? I think I may have one because my husband loves cameras, but we're talking about college/post-college kids who probably film anything they want on their iPhones, except for the film students, etc.

Susil, I missed it but at least one previous poster caught that Alex was wearing a different shirt than last video. I forget what the theory was about where this fits into the puzzle of previous tapes' order, was it that it was Alex stalking Tim after the filming/Operator encounter with Brian?

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And yes, I'm just adding to the chorus but I have to give Tim serious props for his acting, especially at the end. During the "evading Alex" part I was thinking about his cough, and then sure enough, it starts up and the look of terror on his face made it so much more nervewracking.


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This entry reminded me a lot of Amnesia personally. I truly think they got inspiration from it since Tim was doing Let's Play of that game.

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Ryudragon wrote:
This entry reminded me a lot of Amnesia personally. I truly think they got inspiration from it since Tim was doing Let's Play of that game.


I understand that laudanaum is a great cough suppressant. Laughing

As for why was Alex out there at night: He probably left Tim (or tim had been disappeared by the Operator) during the day in order to set up bringing Seth and Brian to the hospital in order to dispose of/sacrifice/whatever them as well. Then he came back at night to make sure he could get rid of Tim's body or retrieve the camera evidence.
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12th wrote:
Ryudragon wrote:
This entry reminded me a lot of Amnesia personally. I truly think they got inspiration from it since Tim was doing Let's Play of that game.


I understand that laudanaum is a great cough suppressant. Laughing

As for why was Alex out there at night: He probably left Tim (or tim had been disappeared by the Operator) during the day in order to set up bringing Seth and Brian to the hospital in order to dispose of/sacrifice/whatever them as well. Then he came back at night to make sure he could get rid of Tim's body or retrieve the camera evidence.


Just wanted to say that I like your theory a lot. It's simple and makes sense in the context of the last two entries. I came into the thread with a much more convoluted idea about what was going on (like Tim was always planning on using the annex as a safehouse, and was trying to refuse to bring Alex there to keep it safe..or something), but I think I like your theory better.

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I always had this theory that maybe Alex had been handing people over to The Operator as sacrifices or something, but was tired of killing and hurting people, so he gave Jay the tapes and hoped The Operator would do it himself. Entry #26 was The Operator reminding him of their deal, so Alex sent Jay the tape and made himself appear as a victim.

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>Tim coughs
>UnFiction swoons

And you know what? Tim totally deserves it.
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Troy, you were completely right about Tim needing more screen time. MH just received a new highlight entry. I applaud you.


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Was the camera the way he "tagged" victims/offerings/whatever for the Operator and Amy picking it up meant she was doomed (as the overdue offering)? Maybe his attempt to give up filming anything - he was surprised he even had a camera any longer - really was an attempt at escape, then, or at least postponement.


"Smile for the camera."
"Always watching."
Assuming Slendy can see whatever the camera sees... Then obsessively taping yourself is a horrible trap TO pulls you into...
The more he sees you the more you tape yourself. The more you tape yourself the more he can watch your life. Shocked

Him genuinely trying to escape from this is very intriguing though. I have another theory:
Looking at Return and #23 (or whichever one has Slendy in the house), it seems Team Mask was in league with TO.
What if that wasn't the first time they had used TO? What if TTA had Oppy attack Alex?
Perhaps then, whoever has the ark has some amount of power over slendy (explaining why Alex doesn't care about being near him anymore), and we're really witnessing a power struggle between Alex and TTA over who gets to operate The Operator?
This would invariably mean that the ending of MH would be TTA getting the ark and having Slendy kill Alex in the most terrifying way possible. (Which, frankly, would be an awesomely scarring way to end this...)

But anyways... Maybe Alex's shirt has changed? Maybe his whole wardrobe changed.
Tim: "Was it your shirt? Is that why you came back?"
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Okay, just went back and watched the whole thing again, and wanted to add some further speculation. First off, when Tim is just chilling in the forest for a bit, two things struck me. One, those lights definitely didn't look like fireflies. It looked like a flashlight very close to him, and perhaps Tim got up and went to the annex shortly afterward because he thought it might be one of his friends come back to look for him. Heck, as someone else pointed out, he may not have even known it was Alex who whacked him on the head and thought "Hey Alex has found me yay!" (Which lasts for two seconds until he sees Alex with the Not-Stick.) Also, that scene of him just sitting there looks oddly familiar, like it was in a TTA video or something. I'll have to go back and check when I have time.

Second, I'm more and more convinced that the Basement O' Doom is now (IG) supposed to be the hospital basement. It was mentioned earlier that Alex didn't have a camera. In Entry 22, Alex doesn't have a camera then either; it's Seth who has it. So this may be shortly after he disposed of Seth. He sees Tim has noped away with the evidence and goes to look for him.

(Note: I know several of these points were mentioned before-I'm just trying to play connect the dots.)

As for the more recent speculation, since I'm backtracking a bit, the idea that Alex has been EVIIIIIIL the whole time just makes a lot of Season 1 even more sinister and does make me wonder if Marble Hornets the student film was really a ruse. Ah, the endless speculation.... Very Happy

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Reception on this video seems pretty mixed, and people are coming at it from a lot of different viewpoints. I've seen some posters going, "But what about Sarah? Did Alex plant Jay a trap at all?" as if the damn series just ended with this video.

I thought it was great, the night time trek through abandoned buildings and woods was crazily tense. While I *do* disagree with the fact that three entries (55, 56, and 57) were needed to show us how Tim ended up where he was in 51, the suspense made it worthwhile enough for me.

People complaining about no real developments have some points that I agree with, but all in all, we were just given an entry that oozes a Season 1 vibe - we haven't gotten one of those for a LONG time.

As for questions - something does seem fishy. I wasn't sure if Alex was actively hunting Tim, or just scouting the annex out. Regardless, why the hell would Tim go over to that annex himself when he didn't want to go there before and a mad man just knocked him out in the adjacent building? I would run as far away from that area as possible.

Jay wonders whether or not Tim had his own reasons as well... it's possible that this entry will turn out to be anything *but* filler if there's a twist in the tale.

And now that the next entry will likely have Tim and Jay going to this place in the present... ANYTHING could happen. We could see Hoodie, Alex, Oppy... the possibilities are mouth-watering!

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