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pravado
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hmm.. how DID jay find alex's house anyway

and he had alex's number even though he said he didn't (alex called him in entry 42, and im pretty sure in 40 jay even calls him so what the hell)

i mean i get that he's impatient, but even he should have been able to deduce that alex didn't want him knowing where he lived because of tim following him, or at the very least jay should have assumed alex was doing it to keep him out of danger since the operator clearly was present in alex's life again. and i wonder if tim/hoody found alex's place bc they were following jay who had been stalking out alex prior

the fact of the matter is, jay acts like he doesn't trust alex when there was no reason to not trust him. he was understandably annoyed and worried, but alex's silence on a subject shouldn't resort to jay not trusting him anymore imo. jay has done some untrustworthy stuff himself first (putting the tapes on youtube, going into the woods in 40) so alex had the right to be cautious

i mean we know alex turned out to be bad and all but it just doesn't add up for me after a rewatch. im aware i'm looking entirely too much into this, i just have high standards for continuity when i probably shouldn't. they probably didn't even think about these things and probably don't care either, and i have no problem with that. i guess i'm just filling in the blanks in my own way

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pravado wrote:
MistrPibb wrote:
Alex patrolling the hallways reminded me of this frame from Entry 26.

(Snip image)


people pointed this out on page 3 or 4 of entry 57. however alex sent jay that footage, so it's highly unlikely that it was from the same day because tim obviously has this footage


Wait, I must be missing something here... When did we find out Alex sent this tape? In Entry #36 the conversation is garbled so all we hear is Alex saying "what hotel you were at, what room you were at, and then get a package delivered to your door..." He could have said "I found out..." or "A complete stranger found out..." and both make sense. The footage in Entry #26 always seemed like TTA to me.

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aidansean wrote:
pravado wrote:
MistrPibb wrote:
Alex patrolling the hallways reminded me of this frame from Entry 26.

(Snip image)


people pointed this out on page 3 or 4 of entry 57. however alex sent jay that footage, so it's highly unlikely that it was from the same day because tim obviously has this footage


Wait, I must be missing something here... When did we find out Alex sent this tape? In Entry #36 the conversation is garbled so all we hear is Alex saying "what hotel you were at, what room you were at, and then get a package delivered to your door..." He could have said "I found out..." or "A complete stranger found out..." and both make sense. The footage in Entry #26 always seemed like TTA to me.



A complete stranger stole Alex's camera with the tape inside, and felt the need to show what he found on it, which held really no relevance to Alex's secretive evil personality, to Jay? Doubtful.

The box had a return label on it, and Alex showed up there. It was fairly obvious that Alex led Jay to the house to lure out (and take out) Tim, who he knew was following Jay from entries 18, 19, and 23.

Alex would have had to intercept the package to find the location of the building, which is less likely than totheark intercepting it since we know totheark was obviously following Jay from location to location along with tim (which is how tim knew where to go - he didn't want alex sacrificing jay)

If totheark sent that tape, then Alex wouldn't have showed up to the building. If Alex wanted to make an appearance he would have shown up at jays door, not an abandoned building (since jay was "not hard to find), he did it to lure tim out into a secluded area to take him out and stop him from helping jay find out the truth about him.

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pravado wrote:
aidansean wrote:
pravado wrote:
MistrPibb wrote:
Alex patrolling the hallways reminded me of this frame from Entry 26.

(Snip image)


people pointed this out on page 3 or 4 of entry 57. however alex sent jay that footage, so it's highly unlikely that it was from the same day because tim obviously has this footage


Wait, I must be missing something here... When did we find out Alex sent this tape? In Entry #36 the conversation is garbled so all we hear is Alex saying "what hotel you were at, what room you were at, and then get a package delivered to your door..." He could have said "I found out..." or "A complete stranger found out..." and both make sense. The footage in Entry #26 always seemed like TTA to me.



A complete stranger stole Alex's camera with the tape inside, and felt the need to show what he found on it, which held really no relevance to Alex's secretive evil personality, to Jay? Doubtful.


I'm thinking the "stranger" would have been TTA. (Stranger as in Jay doesn't know this person, but doesn't preclude this person knowing Jay...)

pravado wrote:

The box had a return label on it, and Alex showed up there. It was fairly obvious that Alex led Jay to the house to lure out (and take out) Tim, who he knew was following Jay from entries 18, 19, and 23.

Alex would have had to intercept the package to find the location of the building, which is less likely than totheark intercepting it since we know totheark was obviously following Jay from location to location along with tim (which is how tim knew where to go - he didn't want alex sacrificing jay)

If totheark sent that tape, then Alex wouldn't have showed up to the building. If Alex wanted to make an appearance he would have shown up at jays door, not an abandoned building (since jay was "not hard to find), he did it to lure tim out into a secluded area to take him out and stop him from helping jay find out the truth about him.


Actually if you watch entries #34 and #35 again Jay turns up to the building and finds nothing the first time. It's only the second time he turns up that Alex finds him there, so it's possible someone was following Jay and found out where he was heading the second time around. (Initially I thought that these entries were uploaded in real time, so Alex would have gotten a heads up that Jay was going there a second time via youtube.)

Okay, the bit I was missing was that entries #34 and #35 took place during the 7 month gap, but were uploaded afterwards. Now it makes sense that Alex sent the tape. Something about Entry #26 still feels off though. I can't put my finger on what it is.

OT: I can never take Entry #26 seriously because it looks like the label on the box says "BOO"!

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There is a couple odd things with Entry #26 if you pay attention.

1. "When did we get a camera?" "Where did you find that?" "It was in the closet." Was Alex living with his girlfriend at the time? That would mean he moved into his apartment rather recently. Also how does his girlfriend's roommate fit into this?

2. Alex's girlfriend has control of the camera and the tape that was already inside for the entire time. Even after Alex tells her to get out through the window. The final frame is a skip backwards and she doesn't appear to hand the camera off. So if she disappeared, how did Alex get the camera off of her? Also is it possible that the tape had something on it other than the footage Jay seen? The TTA looking footage from the beginning could have been leftovers from what was originally on the tape. It is also odd because this is the only evidence shown so far of an edited tape. The scenes in the beginning must have been edited in.

3. Jay never mentions receiving the package in the mail. He says he finds it as he is leaving. The package does appear to have been sent by mail though. Now here's the interesting part. When Alex (in 36) is making the statements about Jay not being hard to find, it never says he sent the package. And Jay's next question is what to do until Alex contacts him. If anything, based on the context Alex wanted Jay to stay away from him because Jay was easy to find and Alex was listing why. Meaning Alex didn't want Jay leading whoever was following Jay to him.

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I think someone figured out a while back that Alex was living with Jessica (as roommates) first then during the events of 26 was in the process of moving in with Amy (as girlfriend). But I don't think it was ever confirmed one way or the other.

Entry 26 is definitely weird. Something else that gets me is the TTA-esque "Help Me" at the end. With Operator Symbols and everything. Why wouldn't Alex just write "help me" plain and simple? Or even not at all since it's already implied by the fact that he sent a video of his girlfriend getting ate by Slimzy.

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No, that's just speculation. Alex and Amy were never confirmed to be living together.

Alex was in between moves, seen by entry 44 and 46, so Alex probably kept some of his stuff at Amys, who WAS confirmed Jessicas roomate.

The package shows up at Jays door. It could have been a mailman or Alex himself, but most likely a mailman. I don't think it matters who delivered it, see my theory on why it had to be Alex who sent it. And the whole point of Alex not wanting Jay to know his location in 43 was because of Tim and Hoody, and he used Jay to lure out Tim to take him out in 35 to prevent Tim from following Jay who might one day start following him.

I though that totheark/tim were using Jay to find Alex since he left town and wasn't seen for 3 years, and they wanted revenge for what he had done, so they had to follow Jay to get to him

Alex has drawn the operator symbol plenty of times himself, it's not a TTA thing. If anything TTA is mocking alex with the symbol

And there's an easy explanation for how Alex got the tape: he sacrificed Amy.

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pravado wrote:
And the whole point of Alex not wanting Jay to know his location in 43 was because of Tim and Hoody, and he used Jay to lure out Tim to take him out in 35 to prevent Tim from following Jay who might one day start following him.


Yes, 52 supports this. Alex says something like "Before you came arround I didn't had masked people trying to kill me" to Jay.
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pravado wrote:
aidansean wrote:
pravado wrote:
MistrPibb wrote:
Alex patrolling the hallways reminded me of this frame from Entry 26.

(Snip image)


people pointed this out on page 3 or 4 of entry 57. however alex sent jay that footage, so it's highly unlikely that it was from the same day because tim obviously has this footage


Wait, I must be missing something here... When did we find out Alex sent this tape? In Entry #36 the conversation is garbled so all we hear is Alex saying "what hotel you were at, what room you were at, and then get a package delivered to your door..." He could have said "I found out..." or "A complete stranger found out..." and both make sense. The footage in Entry #26 always seemed like TTA to me.



A complete stranger stole Alex's camera with the tape inside, and felt the need to show what he found on it, which held really no relevance to Alex's secretive evil personality, to Jay? Doubtful.

The box had a return label on it, and Alex showed up there. It was fairly obvious that Alex led Jay to the house to lure out (and take out) Tim, who he knew was following Jay from entries 18, 19, and 23.

Alex would have had to intercept the package to find the location of the building, which is less likely than totheark intercepting it since we know totheark was obviously following Jay from location to location along with tim (which is how tim knew where to go - he didn't want alex sacrificing jay)

If totheark sent that tape, then Alex wouldn't have showed up to the building. If Alex wanted to make an appearance he would have shown up at jays door, not an abandoned building (since jay was "not hard to find), he did it to lure tim out into a secluded area to take him out and stop him from helping jay find out the truth about him.


Actually, Alex is confirmed to have sent the 26 tape. He specifically says to Jay "So, you saw what was on the video tape I sent you?" in #42 when they meet up again.

So, no confusion there! For once, it seems obvious, and so it is obvious!

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pravado wrote:
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Not sure if this was mentioned or not....
What if Tim's pyscho-ness or split personality was the result of Alex hitting him with the rebar? Head injuries can do that.


So you want him losing memories and having operator type-sickness to be nothing more than a red herring and have the real reason he's messed up is because he got donked in the head

He literally got up like 30 seconds later


It was still light outside when he got donked on the head. It was full on night time when he gets up to change the tape. If that was thirty seconds later, I'm the Queen of England.

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This is a minor point, but I always assumed that Jay and Alex went to the abandoned house together in Entry #35. Jay went inside while Alex remained outside; that explains Jay's exasperated, "There's nothing here. What are you wanting me to see, I'm not seeing anything." Jay has his problems, but he rarely talks to himself, particularly at such a volume. It seems clear that he's talking to Alex. He also doesn't seem surprised when Alex walks in; rather than question him, he immediately obeys Alex's command to be quiet and check out the side room where Tim is lurking. Alex also knows that Jay is carrying a knife, which may not be definitive by itself, but certainly suggests that they'd spent some time together before arriving at the building.

tl;dr Alex found Jay between the events of 34 and 35, not *during* 35. Or am I wrong?
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Illuminant wrote:
He also doesn't seem surprised when Alex walks in; rather than question him, he immediately obeys Alex's command to be quiet and check out the side room where Tim is lurking. Alex also knows that Jay is carrying a knife, which may not be definitive by itself, but certainly suggests that they'd spent some time together before arriving at the building.
tl;dr Alex found Jay between the events of 34 and 35, not *during* 35. Or am I wrong?


If I remember right, when Alex walked in, Jay had said "Alex?" in an "oh my gosh, what are you doing here?" tone of voice. In terms of Jay talking to himself, he had a lot of insane occurances building up to this event, and aftter going to that place and not finding anything not once, but twice in a row, I think he would be frustrated enough to finally speak his thoughts.

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If I remember right, when Alex walked in, Jay had said "Alex?" in an "oh my gosh, what are you doing here?" tone of voice.


Luckily, I just rewatched 35, and Jay doesn't say a word. Alex says, "Jay," and Jay turns around to look at him. Alex puts his finger to his lips, and points into the side room; Jay goes to take a look, and is jumped by Tim. At no point does Jay seem surprised to see Alex, including during their conversation in the parking lot afterwards.

I wasn't aware of what Troy said, but the entry itself made me so sure that Alex and Jay went to the building together that the alternative didn't even occur to me.
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twistedpuppet wrote:
pravado wrote:
Ol'Slendy wrote:
Not sure if this was mentioned or not....
What if Tim's pyscho-ness or split personality was the result of Alex hitting him with the rebar? Head injuries can do that.


So you want him losing memories and having operator type-sickness to be nothing more than a red herring and have the real reason he's messed up is because he got donked in the head

He literally got up like 30 seconds later


It was still light outside when he got donked on the head. It was full on night time when he gets up to change the tape. If that was thirty seconds later, I'm the Queen of England.


Tim coughs at the end of the entry. Read this: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000022.htm

it flat out says an unconcious person cannot cough



and that was definitely the first time Jay saw Alex in 3 years in 35. He walks around the building flipping out that he's not finding anything. If he met up with Alex prior he wouldn't be doing that. Tim was the one that brought the knife to the encounter, same knife he took off of Jay in entry 18 (which makes jay's reflection on the knife in his car even more meaningful - tim followed him all the way from his home to rosswood's area). He stabs Alex in the leg with it during 35 and drops it, and that's why Alex says to give him the knife, cause he can't reach for it while he's tied up with tim.

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pravado wrote:
twistedpuppet wrote:
pravado wrote:
Ol'Slendy wrote:
Not sure if this was mentioned or not....
What if Tim's pyscho-ness or split personality was the result of Alex hitting him with the rebar? Head injuries can do that.


So you want him losing memories and having operator type-sickness to be nothing more than a red herring and have the real reason he's messed up is because he got donked in the head

He literally got up like 30 seconds later


It was still light outside when he got donked on the head. It was full on night time when he gets up to change the tape. If that was thirty seconds later, I'm the Queen of England.


Tim coughs at the end of the entry. Read this: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000022.htm

it flat out says an unconcious person cannot cough


Went back and watched the entry. It appears he's struggling, but he certainly wasn't up. He may have even lost consciousness several times while he was recovering from a savage beating. Alex hit him, multiple times, pretty damn hard with a piece of re-bar. That isn't a tap on the shoulder. My point still stands. Entry #57 takes place later that evening. Not 30 seconds later. And yeah, I'd be laying there for a little bit too if I just got this beat out of me by someone using a metal rod.

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