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pravado
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Blank_Zero wrote:
I love it when one person has a completely different theory on here, backs it up with the what they think is right, and it still makes everyone else think, "the fuck?"


I'm "what the fucking" because nothing he says counters what I showed him. It changes from day to night as Jay goes through that doorway. There is no "door to the upstairs," and video distortion doesn't do anything but PROVE my point (that it's instantaneous). The picture going black and audio distortion happens AFTER jay looks down the stairs, which is something I'm not even talking about.

This is something we discussed thorougly on here when season 1 was taking place and it was almost unanimous that what I said was what happened

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Rodion Romanovich wrote:
pravado wrote:
twistedpuppet wrote:
Went back and checked. Door to stairway is open at 1:18 but NOT open at 3:15. That's why it appears darker. There's also video distortion prior to him looking down the stairs. Not to mention, shortly after is when the picture goes black and the audio distortion starts. The time skip can still be attributed to occurring when the picture goes black.



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CvudXaiCeKk/T1aV7kJSB2I/AAAAAAAADQE/M24nMEczXBE/s400/jackie-chan-wtf.png


Sorry Jackie, but that's basically what I see too. And besides, what's the theory here? That the Operator can turn off the sun with his mind, or that Marble Hornets take place on another planet where light works differently? I mean, I understand we're dealing with the supernatural here, but that doesn't mean you can just throw in any magical element unless it's been established to be a part of the story. Time lapses have been established, the sun having an off switch hasn't.


Pravado is claiming that the time change happens instantaneously. He appears to be attempting to smugly point out continuity errors that aren't there.

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pravado wrote:
Blank_Zero wrote:
I love it when one person has a completely different theory on here, backs it up with the what they think is right, and it still makes everyone else think, "the fuck?"


I'm "what the fucking" because nothing he says counters what I showed him. It changes from day to night as Jay goes through that doorway. There is no "door to the upstairs," and video distortion doesn't do anything but PROVE my point (that it's instantaneous). The picture going black and audio distortion happens AFTER jay looks down the stairs, which is something I'm not even talking about.

This is something we discussed thorougly on here when season 1 was taking place and it was almost unanimous that what I said was what happened


You clearly did not watch the video then. Wait til I get home this afternoon. I will screen cap both points you told me to look. I will show you the open door at 1:18 and the same hallway with the door now closed at 3:15.

I don't care what you guys discussed and unanimously voted on back in season 1. There are now new people here, me being one of those new people. And some of us see things from a different angle than you old timers did back then. I tend to notice shit like a door being open, and then it being closed 2 minutes later. Why don't you try not being so obtuse.

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twistedpuppet wrote:
pravado wrote:
Blank_Zero wrote:
I love it when one person has a completely different theory on here, backs it up with the what they think is right, and it still makes everyone else think, "the fuck?"


I'm "what the fucking" because nothing he says counters what I showed him. It changes from day to night as Jay goes through that doorway. There is no "door to the upstairs," and video distortion doesn't do anything but PROVE my point (that it's instantaneous). The picture going black and audio distortion happens AFTER jay looks down the stairs, which is something I'm not even talking about.

This is something we discussed thorougly on here when season 1 was taking place and it was almost unanimous that what I said was what happened


You clearly did not watch the video then. Wait til I get home this afternoon. I will screen cap both points you told me to look. I will show you the open door at 1:18 and the same hallway with the door now closed at 3:15.

I don't care what you guys discussed and unanimously voted on back in season 1. There are now new people here, me being one of those new people. And some of us see things from a different angle than you old timers did back then. I tend to notice shit like a door being open, and then it being closed 2 minutes later. Why don't you try not being so obtuse.


I'm sorry, Pravado can come off as a dick, and tends to forget details of old conversations when arguing, but he's mostly right. Though in regards to time travel in 23, this wasn't completely resolved, the door is indeed shut at 3:15. There's another instance where jay looks at the door 2:44, here the door is still obviously open and it's way darker out then when he looked at 1:18. However the discussion ended with whether the house would be that dark just with the door shut.

Either way some time hopping happened between 1:18 and 2:44. Teleportation definitively happened. It's just whether there was more time hopping between 2:44 and 3:15.

This is why the wiki says "Jay seems to be teleported through doors, and possibly time"

Alex and Jay didn't meet up before the shed, and Tim was at least conscious less then a minute after getting hit on the head, his coughing at the end of the entry was to show this.
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If it was the rebar pummeling that caused Tim to go crazy, I would become highly dissapointed in troy and co, they're better then that


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 		Well, I didn't notice much change in the light prior to the door shutting. I will, however, look again. I did notice at the beginning of the video, he was either pretty close to dusk when he went in there, or it was just really really cloudy that day.

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Rodion Romanovich
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twistedpuppet wrote:
Rodion Romanovich wrote:
pravado wrote:
twistedpuppet wrote:
Went back and checked. Door to stairway is open at 1:18 but NOT open at 3:15. That's why it appears darker. There's also video distortion prior to him looking down the stairs. Not to mention, shortly after is when the picture goes black and the audio distortion starts. The time skip can still be attributed to occurring when the picture goes black.



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CvudXaiCeKk/T1aV7kJSB2I/AAAAAAAADQE/M24nMEczXBE/s400/jackie-chan-wtf.png


Sorry Jackie, but that's basically what I see too. And besides, what's the theory here? That the Operator can turn off the sun with his mind, or that Marble Hornets take place on another planet where light works differently? I mean, I understand we're dealing with the supernatural here, but that doesn't mean you can just throw in any magical element unless it's been established to be a part of the story. Time lapses have been established, the sun having an off switch hasn't.


Pravado is claiming that the time change happens instantaneously. He appears to be attempting to smugly point out continuity errors that aren't there.


Oh dear. I got that completely wrong, didn't I? My apologies to pravado, and thanks for simply ignoring my post rather than pointing out its idiocy.

Note to self: Don't post less than an hour after waking up.

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Illuminant wrote:
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The beginning of Entry #36: "After looking through the tape of Entry #35, I didn't know what happened after finding Alex at the abandoned house."


Gah. Good catch, thank you! Smile


There is a problem with the statement though. It is made by Jay after the memory wipe and the meeting takes place during the blank.

Jay here is merely assuming that he "found" Alex there after seeing what we saw in Entry #35.

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pravado
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EmeraldWind wrote:
Illuminant wrote:
TheKraken wrote:
The beginning of Entry #36: "After looking through the tape of Entry #35, I didn't know what happened after finding Alex at the abandoned house."


Gah. Good catch, thank you! Smile


There is a problem with the statement though. It is made by Jay after the memory wipe and the meeting takes place during the blank.

Jay here is merely assuming that he "found" Alex there after seeing what we saw in Entry #35.


Again, jay records everything, including himself in his sleep. He would have seen a meetup in a car with alex.

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pravado wrote:
EmeraldWind wrote:
Illuminant wrote:
TheKraken wrote:
The beginning of Entry #36: "After looking through the tape of Entry #35, I didn't know what happened after finding Alex at the abandoned house."


Gah. Good catch, thank you! Smile


There is a problem with the statement though. It is made by Jay after the memory wipe and the meeting takes place during the blank.

Jay here is merely assuming that he "found" Alex there after seeing what we saw in Entry #35.


Again, jay records everything, including himself in his sleep. He would have seen a meetup in a car with alex.
Yeah, there doesn't seem to be much cause to believe they made Jay that wrong in his subtitles. The second house trip seems to me to be the most logical point of their reunion when you cut away all the questionable clues to the contrary, but on the other hand...just how well does Occam's razor work when dealing with eldritch abominations?

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ReverendJ wrote:
...just how well does Occam's razor work when dealing with eldritch abominations?


Occam's razor is a dangerous tool when applied to any kind of narrative, since most of the art of storytelling is masterfully subverting the audience's expectation. I'm also not at all certain that Jay recorded every moment of the missing seven months -- surely there were too few tapes in the hotel safe to account for that amount of footage.

That said, I'm inclined to treat Jay's caption as a clarification that he did, in fact, "find" Alex at the abandoned house. It's not impossible that they arrived at the house together, as I suggested earlier, but there's no clear evidence which throws Jay's caption into doubt.

Of course, we've no idea -- yet -- exactly how unreliable our narrator is...
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 		I was really only pointing out that Jay's speculation has a chance to be wrong.
As a result, I assume at some point the third season will take advantage of at least one assumption that Jay pushed us towards for a plot twist.

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 		I agree entirely, and I'm looking forward to it. Thank you for sharing your perspective!
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 		Jay certainly did record everything. Entry 30's second half shows him recording himself in his sleep present day season 2. He also did this back in season 1, all the way up to entry 24, which was only a week or so before entry 34 in the timeline. even entry 43's beginning of the second half shows his camera recording in his room even when nothing's going on. it's unlikely that jay would stop recording everything, ESPECIALLY his first encounter with alex in 3 years

and there's a simple explanation for why there was a lack of tapes: jay could fast forward through them and if there was nothing on them then he could write over them. when he finds substantial footage, he marks it and doesn't write over it

so you can still believe that it's not impossible that they went to the house together, but if you ask me, it is. its a "fill in the blanks" that you like better than what they gave us, and don't want to let the idea go. understandable, but it would have been on a tape if it was a situation that existed

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 		To add to the discussion, I always wondered why Jay didn't seem more surprised to see Alex in the abandoned house in 35, which I guess might make it possible for them to have come together or even have gotten in contact. Can see Alex saying "You go ahead and head to the house and I'll meet you there", maybe. Of course at that point Jay did trust Alex so instead of "Hey, you're alive" he turned to see what Alex was pointing at.

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 		Probably because Alex put his finger on his lips and pointed to the door, and Jay understood what basic instructions were?

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