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[VIDEO] Entry #58
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PSUwithBigBlue
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I think you're reading too far into Tim's reasoning. I believe what he said, about it being a guard. Remember, if he IS suffering from a total memory wipe, like Jay got that time with Sarah, then he's not going to remember who that dude is. Jay got his memory back from watching the tapes. Tim never watched the tapes (well, from what it seems), so he has no memory either.

Also, Sarah took forever to mention that she was forgetting things (the mind wipe), so maybe Tim is trying to be manly, and not do any of that. And has anyone really said what Tim is doing at the doctors? Maybe that's his way of dealing with the memory loss. Or maybe from that blow in the head from 35...

Anyway, my idea is Alex is not working with the operator. Tim is. Alex knows this, too, as Alex saw the operator symbols in 57, and started panicking. Tim wanted to go to that hospital, where the other two got "slenderized", right? Therefore, Tim wanted Alex to get slenderized. Slendy got tired of Tim, or he was of no more used, and wiped his memory clean, however "Hoody" doesn't know this, and thinks Tim is still working for Slendy, so he's Jay's guardian angel, if you will.

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Nintendawg
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PSUwithBigBlue wrote:


Also, Sarah took forever to mention that she was forgetting things (the mind wipe), so maybe Tim is trying to be manly, and not do any of that. And has anyone really said what Tim is doing at the doctors? Maybe that's his way of dealing with the memory loss. Or maybe from that blow in the head from 35...



Are you talking about Jessica, or am I missing some important chunk of information here?

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PSUwithBigBlue
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Nintendawg wrote:
PSUwithBigBlue wrote:


Also, Sarah took forever to mention that she was forgetting things (the mind wipe), so maybe Tim is trying to be manly, and not do any of that. And has anyone really said what Tim is doing at the doctors? Maybe that's his way of dealing with the memory loss. Or maybe from that blow in the head from 35...



Are you talking about Jessica, or am I missing some important chunk of information here?


Yes, Jessica, sorry. Laughing

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Araenna
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Maybe Tim is avoiding mentioning things, because he's going through the same thing. Maybe he doesn't remember being Masky, but when he's normal, he's being stalked by Jay wearing a mask.

Yeah, probably not. Would be cool, though.
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I'm inclined to believe Tim was acting so "casually" when Hoodie appeared because he honestly thought he wasn't in any danger. Like he said, he thinks Hoodie is just some guy wandering around like they are. To Tim, his presence, while something that signals they need to hightail it before they are horn deep in cops, doesn't warrant the kind of reaction Jay exhibited.

If Tim's amnesia is genuine, I wonder if he's aware of it? He's apparently had a history of illness; I'm not sure if his appointments at the clinic are an extension of that or brought on by seven months' worth of memory evaporating without a trace. Jay and Jessica were instantly aware of it because they woke up somewhere without any idea how they got there, but Tim lives in the Rosswood park area.

Memory is a tricky thing. We don't actually remember as much as we think we do -- a lot of it is just tricks our minds play on us, assumptions we make that fill in the gaps. If you forgot something that you weren't actively thinking about, how would you even know? How often do you think about what you were doing seven months ago?

ANOTHER THOUGHT: I know some of us were complaining about the beginning of #58 rehashing information we already knew, but I think we take for granted how many of us read Jay's twitter. The YouTube videos are meant to be able to stand alone without us having to follow any of the other sites. Not everyone knew ahead of time the details of their meeting.

PSUwithBigBlue wrote:
Anyway, my idea is Alex is not working with the operator. Tim is. Alex knows this, too, as Alex saw the operator symbols in 57, and started panicking.


Interesting theory to think about, but it doesn't explain why Alex would go back a day or two later with Brian and Seth.

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Oscar Langley
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Sorry if this has been brought up before, but I'm wondering, if the amnesia is genuine (I think it is, personally), when did Tim get it? It couldn't have been the same time as Jay and Jessica because he showed up at the hotel a while later as Masky. But that was also the last time we saw him like that. Did the amnesia occur that night at the hotel? Or maybe off screen? I wonder if the TTA videos give any clues to when Tim lost his memory. In fact, now that I think of it, I don't think the TTA videos even started back up until right after the Masky Hotel Incident. Huh.

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Araenna wrote:
Maybe Tim is avoiding mentioning things, because he's going through the same thing. Maybe he doesn't remember being Masky, but when he's normal, he's being stalked by Jay wearing a mask.

Yeah, probably not. Would be cool, though.


This is a great theory actually
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Oscar Langley wrote:
Sorry if this has been brought up before, but I'm wondering, if the amnesia is genuine (I think it is, personally), when did Tim get it? It couldn't have been the same time as Jay and Jessica because he showed up at the hotel a while later as Masky. But that was also the last time we saw him like that. Did the amnesia occur that night at the hotel? Or maybe off screen? I wonder if the TTA videos give any clues to when Tim lost his memory. In fact, now that I think of it, I don't think the TTA videos even started back up until right after the Masky Hotel Incident. Huh.
Oh man that did not click with me. If Tim went to the hotel to get Jay out because he was at risk from the Operator what if he himself did not get out in time.

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ReverendJ wrote:
Oscar Langley wrote:
Sorry if this has been brought up before, but I'm wondering, if the amnesia is genuine (I think it is, personally), when did Tim get it? It couldn't have been the same time as Jay and Jessica because he showed up at the hotel a while later as Masky. But that was also the last time we saw him like that. Did the amnesia occur that night at the hotel? Or maybe off screen? I wonder if the TTA videos give any clues to when Tim lost his memory. In fact, now that I think of it, I don't think the TTA videos even started back up until right after the Masky Hotel Incident. Huh.
Oh man that did not click with me. If Tim went to the hotel to get Jay out because he was at risk from the Operator what if he himself did not get out in time.



Well, that entry did have the tell-tale screen tear in it. I like this theory a lot.

I suppose the questions it raise are to do with the S2 TTA videos though. If time got sendywiped the day he chased Jay out of the hotel, he presumably had no involvement in TTA, and went back to his normal life.

Hm. Perhaps... we know Jessica vanished that same day - what if Hoody replaced his old partner (Tim) with Jessica?

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Susil wrote:
ReverendJ wrote:
Oscar Langley wrote:
Sorry if this has been brought up before, but I'm wondering, if the amnesia is genuine (I think it is, personally), when did Tim get it? It couldn't have been the same time as Jay and Jessica because he showed up at the hotel a while later as Masky. But that was also the last time we saw him like that. Did the amnesia occur that night at the hotel? Or maybe off screen? I wonder if the TTA videos give any clues to when Tim lost his memory. In fact, now that I think of it, I don't think the TTA videos even started back up until right after the Masky Hotel Incident. Huh.
Oh man that did not click with me. If Tim went to the hotel to get Jay out because he was at risk from the Operator what if he himself did not get out in time.



Well, that entry did have the tell-tale screen tear in it. I like this theory a lot.

I suppose the questions it raise are to do with the S2 TTA videos though. If time got sendywiped the day he chased Jay out of the hotel, he presumably had no involvement in TTA, and went back to his normal life.

Hm. Perhaps... we know Jessica vanished that same day - what if Hoody replaced his old partner (Tim) with Jessica?
Also because of the risk involved of trying to save someone from an Opp attack they may have prerecorded themselves which would explain why the limp was so bad.

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TheKraken wrote:
PSUwithBigBlue wrote:
Anyway, my idea is Alex is not working with the operator. Tim is. Alex knows this, too, as Alex saw the operator symbols in 57, and started panicking.
Interesting theory to think about, but it doesn't explain why Alex would go back a day or two later with Brian and Seth.


I think that theory is pretty farce. There's too much it doesn't explain, and too much evidence that goes against it; mainly that Totheark appears to be antagonizing against the Operator, not working with him. And we know that Tim is (or was) a part of TTA. Plus, I'm getting progressively more weary of everybody trying to make out Tim to be the villian in entries 55 and 56; it's really just grasping at straws. Tim had no incentive to have malice towards Alex, was acting normal (contrary to Alex, who was being distant and snippy, even before he saw the Operator Symbol), and if he was working with the Operator and therefore knew where his illness was germinating from, he, odds are, would not be reporting it to a doctor. What's more, if you listen to the way the conversation went at the beginning of Entry 56, it sounds like Alex who called the meeting. Not Tim.
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Eh, assuming the theory is true, Alex could have called Tim there to take him out before Tim had an opportunity to do the same to him.

But yeah, there's a huge chunk of evidence pointing to it not being true, not to mention a ton of things simply not adding up, so there you go. I never thought it was true; I just thought it was interesting to think about because we still don't know exactly what the Operator symbol was doing in the building, what effect it had on Alex, blah blah blah. There were like two seconds of him staring at it and then bam, Tim beatings everywhere.

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kotetamer
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here's a theory, the hospital that they went through burned out was a mental hospital that tim had stayed at previously when he was younger. It's why he's always been reluctant to go to there as demonstrated in the earlier entries when he went to the buildings with alex. His masky persona maybe part of a split personality disorder. He had it under control up until the original sightings of the operator, but due to the experiences combined with whatever the operator did to him, this personality reemerged and took whatever experiments the operator performed. Whatever the operator did to the masky persona gives him the ability to teleport and such. Masky however maintains a bit of sanity because tim exist, it creates a balance and while tim may not be aware of masky, masky is aware of tim and is able to keep himself better together than alex.

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kotetamer wrote:
here's a theory, the hospital that they went through burned out was a mental hospital that tim had stayed at previously when he was younger. It's why he's always been reluctant to go to there as demonstrated in the earlier entries when he went to the buildings with alex.


The main problem I have with this theory is that the hospital looked old as hell, the overgrowth outside appeared to be substantial. The fire probably happened before any of our characters were born (IMO). Young children are generally not committed (voluntarily or otherwise) to mental health institutions; indeed, it's almost impossible to commit someone under the age of 10 years in most states. It's possible that Tim is uncomfortable around the hospital because he doesn't like doctors or mental health facilities -- because of something in his past regarding those themes.

I would like to posit a different theory on his reluctance. This theory assumes that Timnesia is authentic. He grew up in the area, he was a teenager in the area. He's obviously well versed on how to get there without being caught. He knows that going at night is riskier (in terms of being caught): "Technically it's trespassing, but they don't really enforce it during the day" (Tim - E58 - 02:49).

I think that he (Tim) and some friends decided to break in/spend the night/vandalize the hospital as a prank/dare/etc when they were in middle school/junior high/high school. If something odd happened that night, not even necessarily something big (e.g. seeing the Operator), but something that really spooked him. Then he would have a pretty strong aversion to the place.

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Araenna
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I always personally thought he was getting mental health help because of his timnesia. If I suddenly lost large chunks of time, I'd probably be seeing someone about it.
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