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UseR1011100
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Camero wrote:
On the whole Timnesia thing, the main way to see if this is merely a "performance" would be to ask ourselves if Masky is capable of acting "normal". Way back in season 1, when we first see Tim, Jay has an interview with him. The question is, was Tim ALREADY Masky at this point or did Jay "trigger" it?


totheark had already posted 8 responses before Tim was interviewed in Entry #17, but curiously masky makes his appearance just after the interview. Perhaps the interview did trigger Tim's psychosis or memories allowing him to be assimilated into totheark... just a theory, not one I particularly subscribe to but it seems to hold water.
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Camero wrote:
Zarggg wrote:
Camero wrote:
The joke







Your heads


This thread is intended for serious discussion, specifically on the content of Entry #58.

If you're here to troll, don't.


Look at what I wrote. This started from me (I thought obviously) jokingly asking how we knew we hadn't been Operator-influenced or whatever. I can't believe anyone actually responded with "THE OPERATOR'S NOT REAL, NOOOOOB!!!".

If making a fairly stupid joke that no one got qualifies as "trolling", I apologize, but that means a significant percentage of this thread is "trolling" as well. In any case, I didn't intend anything.



I'm inclined not to read any of your posts now. Also, you fail at trolling.

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UseR1011100 wrote:
Camero wrote:
On the whole Timnesia thing, the main way to see if this is merely a "performance" would be to ask ourselves if Masky is capable of acting "normal". Way back in season 1, when we first see Tim, Jay has an interview with him. The question is, was Tim ALREADY Masky at this point or did Jay "trigger" it?


totheark had already posted 8 responses before Tim was interviewed in Entry #17, but curiously masky makes his appearance just after the interview. Perhaps the interview did trigger Tim's psychosis or memories allowing him to be assimilated into totheark... just a theory, not one I particularly subscribe to but it seems to hold water.


Here's what I'm thinking. If Tim is being insincere right now, i.e. he is still Masky, then we have to start asking ourselves why he's doing this. He does SEEM to be helpful to Jay, but this might be a pretext to get Jay to lower his guard. The fact that we had TTA posts around the same time that Jay first interviews Tim(assuming Season 1 TTA is Tim) suggests that Masky IS capable of acting normal as a facade. If the current Tim is just deceiving us, that means that Masky is quite a bit more calculating and rational than we may have realized.

However, I don't personally buy this. It's a gut thing, but there's something different that I can't quite place about this Tim and season 1 Tim. Both acted "normal" but you could tell something was up with Tim in season 1.

On the other hand, if Tim ISN'T faking, that means it is possible back in season 1 that Jay did "trigger" Masky, which means he might do so again by confronting Tim now. My theory on Timasky has always been that "Masky" is a sort of separate "person" within Tim that formed from Operator exposure. For much of this series, I would suggest that Masky completely dominated Tim, who, when normal, likely did not remember what was going on. This is evidenced by the fact that Tim continues to wear the mask well after his identity has been revealed, and yet seems capable of not wearing when necessary(the interview with Jay, as well as the necessity of being unmasked in grocery stores, banks, etc., in order to stay alive)

What I think has happened now is, with the help of his doctor, the "Masky" side of him has been mostly if not completely suppressed, just as "Tim" was suppressed before. The question is, just how much is Masky suppressed? Will Tim be able to keep Masky suppressed when confronted by Jay?

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twistedpuppet wrote:
Camero wrote:
Zarggg wrote:
Camero wrote:
The joke







Your heads


This thread is intended for serious discussion, specifically on the content of Entry #58.

If you're here to troll, don't.


Look at what I wrote. This started from me (I thought obviously) jokingly asking how we knew we hadn't been Operator-influenced or whatever. I can't believe anyone actually responded with "THE OPERATOR'S NOT REAL, NOOOOOB!!!".

If making a fairly stupid joke that no one got qualifies as "trolling", I apologize, but that means a significant percentage of this thread is "trolling" as well. In any case, I didn't intend anything.



I'm inclined not to read any of your posts now. Also, you fail at trolling.


I fail at trolling because I was not, in any way, attempting to troll. This is what happened:

-Someone notes that we were able to solve TTA's puzzles without being Operator-influenced(suggesting that you don't need to be insane to understand TTA)

-I said, "How can we be sure we aren't?" Given that the Operator is fictional, I assumed this would be taken as a joke. Most responses "reminded" me that the Operator doesn't actually exist, which kind of astonished me. That's not trolling. It's the lack of a sarcasm button.

This is akin to asking in an Inception discussion whether we only dreamed we saw the movie--just a silly comment that I did not expect anyone in their right mind to see as "trolling". Can we move on, now?

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Personally I don't think Tim is, or has ever been faking him amnesia or whatever you want to call it. I think he know/senses that something more is going on but doesn't want to confront it out of fear of slipping back into whatever state he was telling his doctor that he was getting better from. I think his memory loss is type of comorbidity between the operators influence on memory, and the trauma of the events that occured during the marble hornets shoot. I think masky and Tim are not exactly different personalities, but just fractured pieces of the same personality, Masky is Tim's repressed hatred and trauma.
Also, I really don't think his intent was to save Jay and Jessica from Alex exactly. I think TTA used the video responses to manipulate Jay into drawing Alex out of hiding so that he/she/they could kill Alex (or use Tim to kill Alex if he is not infact part of TTA), Jay and Jessica being saved was simply a coincidence.
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I don't think arguing with Camero is anymore serious discussion than a joke.

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Regardless of what Masky's main intentions were for "saving" Jay in Entry #52, it's evident that Totheark needs Jay for something. Masky might have been trying to kill two birds with one stone--murder Alex and manage to keep Jay alive in the process of doing so. Despite that, if Totheark ever manages to get to the goshdern ark, it'll probably lead to Alex's demise anyway, which means that it was probably most likely mainly did intend to help out Jay on that one fateful day.
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I am thinking that the Timnesia is real, and he's not faking it right now. The reason I think this is because of his annoyance with Jay and the hospital visit, and how Tim has reacted. I think if Tim was faking it, he'd not be annoyed - if Tim knew and wanted Jay involved with MH still, he'd be more friendly and open to searching the hospital. And if he didn't want Jay involved he'd be more angry, and try to shut the search down, not help Jay. It's the annoyance that has sold me on this. It doesn't fit with those scenarios.

Annoyance says to me that Tim was a little perplexed at why Jay would care, but willing to help since Jay was a friend of a friend and they have some small bit of history together. Tim's willing to help out, even go out of his way to help out, even if he doesn't understand why. And then when Jay is running all over the place and being crazy and not taking Tim's advice, it becomes clear that Jay probably has an ulterior motive. This causes Tim to either want the real story or to wash his hands of MH and Jay completely - and that was clearly where things are going. I think Tim would really rather just have nothing more to do with it than learn the truth, and I think that's how he is acting, with how little of their shared past he remembers, it's just not worth it to help out anymore or even care.
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Camero wrote:
twistedpuppet wrote:
Camero wrote:
Zarggg wrote:
Camero wrote:
The joke







Your heads


This thread is intended for serious discussion, specifically on the content of Entry #58.

If you're here to troll, don't.


Look at what I wrote. This started from me (I thought obviously) jokingly asking how we knew we hadn't been Operator-influenced or whatever. I can't believe anyone actually responded with "THE OPERATOR'S NOT REAL, NOOOOOB!!!".

If making a fairly stupid joke that no one got qualifies as "trolling", I apologize, but that means a significant percentage of this thread is "trolling" as well. In any case, I didn't intend anything.



I'm inclined not to read any of your posts now. Also, you fail at trolling.


I fail at trolling because I was not, in any way, attempting to troll. This is what happened:

-Someone notes that we were able to solve TTA's puzzles without being Operator-influenced(suggesting that you don't need to be insane to understand TTA)

-I said, "How can we be sure we aren't?" Given that the Operator is fictional, I assumed this would be taken as a joke. Most responses "reminded" me that the Operator doesn't actually exist, which kind of astonished me. That's not trolling. It's the lack of a sarcasm button.

This is akin to asking in an Inception discussion whether we only dreamed we saw the movie--just a silly comment that I did not expect anyone in their right mind to see as "trolling". Can we move on, now?


Well, I got your joke, Camero. Seriously people, this is not trolling. Use context clues next time.

Someone earlier on (pravado?) mentioned the theory that the mask protects its wearer from Slendersickness, which we know because Masky never coughs. I'd just like to point out Masky's little epileptic fit in Entry #18... Yeah.

Also, I agree that it would be hilarious if Sarah somehow turned out to be Hoody. Razz But it's probably going to be another guy, I'm guessing Brian because he seems to show up the most...

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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Didn't Troy say something about not being able to film because one of the cast members was always away on business? Was this referring to Tim or Brian's actor?


I didn't really have anything to say, I just didn't like to see Camero bullied. lol

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I had a look at Entry #15 to see how his behaviour compares. Tim does seem slightly evasive and certainly nervous(you can only see his hands, but he does seem to fidget when certain topics come up). But he doesn't seem drastically different than now--he volunteers information and seems genuinely helpful. Which might suggest that, if he was faking then, he's faking now, OR, if he's not faking now, he wasn't back then either.

That raises some issues, however. It seems to me very unlikely that Season 1 TTA was not Masky, so the fact that we have TTA responses prior to Entry 15 means Masky is already around when Tim has this conversation with Jay. Which may lend credence to the idea that Tim may have "normal" moments during which he has no memory of Masky.

What concerns me is that we saw Masky in the flesh shortly after 15, so there's a real possibility that Jay telling Tim the truth will trigger a return of Masky.

Of course, I might be wrong on all this--Tim could just be a very good liar, and the nervous ticks might indicate that Entry 15 IS just a performance, and that current Tim is sincere.

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@saksxalmo

Lol, thanks. On the Mask point, I must say, I never really bought the whole "Mask as protection" if we're looking at it in the sense that Tim's mask is somehow "magical" or "Operator kryptonite"--I've always felt that the Mask has a psychological cause.

It looks, as far as I can see, to be a regular mask you could buy anywhere. The only way I can see this kind of thing offering protection is if ALL MASKS provide protection--i.e. the Operator can't hurt you if he can't see your face, or some such thing.

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I always figured Jay taking the bottle of pills to be what made Masky reveal himself to Jay.

Since Tim apparently had some kind of problem before the MH shoot, it is possible the medicine is to treat what ever the heck that is and not the effects that the Operator causes. Tim probably wanted his meds back.

We definitely know that the pills disappear after Masky visits Jay in his sleep.

Though that still leaves the question as to why Tim's pills were in the old house to begin with. Also was Tim the anonymous tipper that gave Jay the location of the house in the first place or was it someone else?

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Camero wrote:
I had a look at Entry #15 to see how his behaviour compares. Tim does seem slightly evasive and certainly nervous(you can only see his hands, but he does seem to fidget when certain topics come up). But he doesn't seem drastically different than now--he volunteers information and seems genuinely helpful. Which might suggest that, if he was faking then, he's faking now, OR, if he's not faking now, he wasn't back then either.


Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Tim confided that any nervousness that appeared in Entry #15 was unintentional. Besides that, fidgeting doesn't necessarily convey nervousness. Fidgeting is just what people do, because people are people.


Camero wrote:
That raises some issues, however. It seems to me very unlikely that Season 1 TTA was not Masky, so the fact that we have TTA responses prior to Entry 15 means Masky is already around when Tim has this conversation with Jay. Which may lend credence to the idea that Tim may have "normal" moments during which he has no memory of Masky.


Season one wasn't necessarily just Masky. Hoody could have been in league that long too, but he just didn't show up until much later. If I remember right, Masky didn't show up in any TTA videos before Entry #18 aired. However, I would like to believe that Masky was a part of TTA for the entire time; I can't imagine what process one has to go to get admitted into Totheark as if it were a clud, or something.
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In Entry #58 it seems as though Hoody intentionally makes some noise to let Jay know he's around. He does this in Entry #34 as well, right? He's not seen on screen, but the crash we hear in Entry #34 sounds too loud to be caused by a breeze to me. (What I mean to say is that if a breeze caused that noise it would have caused it long before Jay arrived. Rubble doesn't sit around in an unstable state waiting until someone is around to hear it fall.) I think it adds a bit to both entries #34 and #35 if Hoody is there the first time and Masky is there the second time.

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Oh hey, that reminds me. I vaguely remember some speculation during season 1 that there were multiple sleeping bags (or something) shown in The House which was used to support the Multiple Maksies theory. It'd be interesting if that actually turned out to be the case and Hoody was there the whole time.

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