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mokie
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Yuki wrote:
Er... Tim was flat-out wrong; Jessica and Jay talked more than twice, didn't they? Before the hotel, then the few times after the hotel. [...] Great entry, plot-wise, but Jay didn't even stand up for himself when he knows Tim's been there...


A little inaccuracy/hyperbole is to be expected--Tim wouldn't be analyzing frames and counting appearances the way we do. Even if he finished all the videos, he's coming from a very "fuck you!" place.

As for Jay standing up for himself, he's just been informed that Tim was fine and dandy until he led him back to homicidal friends, creepy critters and unsettling fugue states. I think Jay's got to be wondering if Tim's right, and he's only making it worse for everyone.

Keegah wrote:
mokie wrote:
After Jay interviewed him, dragging him back into the situation.


He asked him if he remembered any tall people in business suits hanging around the set. In absolutely no way can that be interpreted as Jay dragging Tim back into the situation.


Yes, it can. Watch, I'll show you. Smile

Alex disappeared. Tim was out of it, and it was effectively over. Along comes Jay, stirring things up, conducting interviews and bringing up the past. Tim was out of it, then Jay wanted to talk to him about Marble Hornets...

Whether Tim is/was in control as Masky and is lying or it's an amnesiac bubble or a dual personality, he wasn't involved in anything before Jay called him up and wanted to ask questions about Marble Hornets. He was out of it.

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Illuminant
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 		This was a great entry, and another leap forward in the maturity and sophistication of their storytelling. There was a time when an Operator-less entry would have had this community calling bullshit, but it's great to see twelve pages of (almost) universal support. Tim continues to be the stand-out actor of the series, but I was also impressed with Jay; having your actions suddenly cast into doubt while simultaneously standing up to the wrath of Tim can't be easy, but he handled it very well. It'll be interesting to see whether Tim is just venting, or they're actually reframing Jay's investigation as dangerous and foolish.

I can't wait for what's next. It may be a TTA response, or Jay may decide that he has nothing left to lose, and head for the maintenance tunnel himself. Unfortunately for Tim, I suspect something is headed his way, either in the form of more memory loss, or a glimpse of the Operator.

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 		Tim sounds like a MH superfan.

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Yuki
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mokie wrote:
Yuki wrote:
Er... Tim was flat-out wrong; Jessica and Jay talked more than twice, didn't they? Before the hotel, then the few times after the hotel. [...] Great entry, plot-wise, but Jay didn't even stand up for himself when he knows Tim's been there...


A little inaccuracy/hyperbole is to be expected--Tim wouldn't be analyzing frames and counting appearances the way we do. Even if he finished all the videos, he's coming from a very "fuck you!" place.

As for Jay standing up for himself, he's just been informed that Tim was fine and dandy until he led him back to homicidal friends, creepy critters and unsettling fugue states. I think Jay's got to be wondering if Tim's right, and he's only making it worse for everyone.


Except Jay and Jessica clearly were in a bad situation and were beginning to know each other, and you'd think that if you were being yelled at that everything's your fault you'd get angry and fire back that the other guy tried to kill you and had a hand in your only other ally's disappearance.

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mokie
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Yuki wrote:
Except Jay and Jessica clearly were in a bad situation and were beginning to know each other, and you'd think that if you were being yelled at that everything's your fault you'd get angry and fire back that the other guy tried to kill you and had a hand in your only other ally's disappearance.


I wouldn't think that. Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of people would react that way, but it doesn't strike me as a very Jay reaction.

A lot of people confronted in anger would react in anger, and I think to them it seems unnatural that Jay's not equally pissed here. But other folks would take this kind of confrontation as a punch in the gut, since Tim's pointing out that Jay has ruined his life. To them, it seems pretty natural. So, essentially, it may come down to the viewer's own reaction, and how they perceive Jay.

Of course, there's the third hand: Jay didn't expect screaming rage, and we all know the boy isn't good at making it up as he goes along. He could just have been stuck in "Oh, shit, what?" mode.

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OllieRaiden
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Nex wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
Does anyone find it interesting, that, if Tim is telling the truth, there has been no recent Operator sighting and no Operator symptoms(except for Tim's cough of course) in the series since Jay tackling the Operator in the hotel?

And that Tim's last appearance as Masky was when he tried to get Jay in the hotel?


Holy crap. You're right. There, chronologically, hasn't been any Slendy activity in over year.


I'm not entirely sure. Don't quote me on this, since I don't have the season 2 DVD, but wasn't the Operator or his shadow supposed to be just barely visible behind Jessica in her room in Entry #30 or one of the ones when we see inside Jessica's room? Seem to remember reading that, but not entirely sure which entry it referred to.
I wouldn't count him out completely just yet.

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mokie wrote:
Yuki wrote:
Er... Tim was flat-out wrong; Jessica and Jay talked more than twice, didn't they? Before the hotel, then the few times after the hotel. [...] Great entry, plot-wise, but Jay didn't even stand up for himself when he knows Tim's been there...


A little inaccuracy/hyperbole is to be expected--Tim wouldn't be analyzing frames and counting appearances the way we do. Even if he finished all the videos, he's coming from a very "fuck you!" place.

As for Jay standing up for himself, he's just been informed that Tim was fine and dandy until he led him back to homicidal friends, creepy critters and unsettling fugue states. I think Jay's got to be wondering if Tim's right, and he's only making it worse for everyone.

Keegah wrote:
mokie wrote:
After Jay interviewed him, dragging him back into the situation.


He asked him if he remembered any tall people in business suits hanging around the set. In absolutely no way can that be interpreted as Jay dragging Tim back into the situation.


Yes, it can. Watch, I'll show you. Smile

Alex disappeared. Tim was out of it, and it was effectively over. Along comes Jay, stirring things up, conducting interviews and bringing up the past. Tim was out of it, then Jay wanted to talk to him about Marble Hornets...

Whether Tim is/was in control as Masky and is lying or it's an amnesiac bubble or a dual personality, he wasn't involved in anything before Jay called him up and wanted to ask questions about Marble Hornets. He was out of it.


Do you have proof that Tim was fine at that time. He could have been Masky, even without reason, before Jay came in.

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MisterFeline
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 		Sorry if this has been said; I don't have time to read all of this now. But say that Alex bringing people to the hospital makes them sort of his/OP's puppet. Was Masky in #52 breaking free of the grasp somehow? I know this is loose, and probably doesn't lead anywhere. But could some of you brighter folks expand on this some, and see if it makes sense?

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MisterFeline
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OllieRaiden wrote:
Nex wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
Does anyone find it interesting, that, if Tim is telling the truth, there has been no recent Operator sighting and no Operator symptoms(except for Tim's cough of course) in the series since Jay tackling the Operator in the hotel?

And that Tim's last appearance as Masky was when he tried to get Jay in the hotel?


Holy crap. You're right. There, chronologically, hasn't been any Slendy activity in over year.


I'm not entirely sure. Don't quote me on this, since I don't have the season 2 DVD, but wasn't the Operator or his shadow supposed to be just barely visible behind Jessica in her room in Entry #30 or one of the ones when we see inside Jessica's room? Seem to remember reading that, but not entirely sure which entry it referred to.
I wouldn't count him out completely just yet.


Yes, but Entry #30 was over a year ago. I know this is sort of a scatterbrained and ridiculous pridiction, but is TO not currently in this anymore, and Jay pressing on is the only thing still causing problems?

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UnreadierLizard
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 		Badass Tim is badass.

I think Jay needs to figure out that walking around pointing a camera at a problem isn't going to fix it automatically.

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icy780
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 		Sorry if it's been said (I'm on page 4) but that isn't distortion at 4:45. Its just Time talking into the hedges and the hedges are absorbing the sound.

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Ithilwen22
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mokie wrote:
Yuki wrote:
Except Jay and Jessica clearly were in a bad situation and were beginning to know each other, and you'd think that if you were being yelled at that everything's your fault you'd get angry and fire back that the other guy tried to kill you and had a hand in your only other ally's disappearance.


I wouldn't think that. Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of people would react that way, but it doesn't strike me as a very Jay reaction.

A lot of people confronted in anger would react in anger, and I think to them it seems unnatural that Jay's not equally pissed here. But other folks would take this kind of confrontation as a punch in the gut, since Tim's pointing out that Jay has ruined his life. To them, it seems pretty natural. So, essentially, it may come down to the viewer's own reaction, and how they perceive Jay.

Of course, there's the third hand: Jay didn't expect screaming rage, and we all know the boy isn't good at making it up as he goes along. He could just have been stuck in "Oh, shit, what?" mode.


Good point. I also want to point out that Jay's behavior is really classic introvert behavior. To put it in a non-science-y way, introverts tend to feel guilt more strongly, even when they know objectively there's no reason too. (Accuse me of anything...even if I haven't done it I'll blush and get embarrassed.) So Jay, being an introvert, reacts very normally, even if it isn't very smartly.

He did better than I would. I wouldn't have said anything, probably just cowered against the car and cried like a little girl in fear of the TimRaeg. XD

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Ithilwen22 wrote:
Good point. I also want to point out that Jay's behavior is really classic introvert behavior. To put it in a non-science-y way, introverts tend to feel guilt more strongly, even when they know objectively there's no reason too. (Accuse me of anything...even if I haven't done it I'll blush and get embarrassed.) So Jay, being an introvert, reacts very normally, even if it isn't very smartly.

He did better than I would. I wouldn't have said anything, probably just cowered against the car and cried like a little girl in fear of the TimRaeg. XD


I think it's pretty easy to say that Jay's reaction was, while stemming from said introvert behavior, the most assertive he's ever been in terms of how he's acted throughout this ENTIRE series... not counting him yelling at Alex when he had a gun pointed at him, because, you know... it's a gun.

When Jay said, "I'M A PSYCHOPATH?" I felt, for the first time, like initiative was being taken on his part, and that he actually intended to stand up for himself. Those feelings were dismissed, though, after Tim blatantly said "SHUT UP!" and snapped Jay back into being an awkward mess for the remainder of the entry.

I got to give Jay props for attempting to hold his own in an argument against someone with such traumatic anger. He handled it well overall.
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Jennyfur
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 		I yelled "NO!" when Tim rushed at Jay and punched him, then I gasped SO loud when Tim said, "I did a search for Marble Hornets, and YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT I FIND???"

I do understand Tim's anger, but I think he's lashing out and blaming Jay because Jay's the only person he CAN lash out on. And it's easy because Jay is the reason he's having to deal with this stuff, again. I think he's kind of in denial about all the things he did as Masky, he doesn't want to accept it. If you notice, after he calls Jay a pyschopath, and Jay scoffs, saying, "I'M a psychopath? after all those videos..." And Tim REALLY freaks, screaming, 'Shut UP!' He doesn't want to acknowlege it.

But I'm hoping that he'll calm down, realize Jay is *trying* to help, the best he knows how, and that Jay actually DOES know what it feels like to wake up in your car (or in a hotel), far from home, with no memory of how you got there, of losing big chunks of time. They have that in common, and I SO want Tim to know this, and maybe band together with Jay eventually.

I really feel for Tim when he's talking about all the stuff that happened to him, but by the end, I feel SO sorry for Jay. I think he was hoping that once he came clean to Tim, he wouldn't have to be alone in this anymore... but now he's more alone than ever.

And Tim's acting.... Amazing.

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Foood
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Foood wrote:
evanx275h wrote:


On another note, it'd be great if Tim saw Entry #59 and realized that Jay was telling the truth about wanting to tell him that night. I had a feeling that, even though Tim dismissed it, he probably didn't believe Jay when he said he was going to come clean. If Tim does realize it, I hope he and Jay make up and finally do something about TO situation together. Because all this "be alone" bullshit has to stop. When everyone's alone and apart, it's a perfect way for nothing to get done and for more people to get hurt.


This x1000.

This has to be the reason why Jay talks to the camera in this entry, instead of using text. Text can be edited in later to say whatever, but the recording of Jay speaking prior to the argument is proof that he really was gonna speak to Tim.

Tim will have a change of heart.


I changed my mind about this. This COULD happen next, but maybe not. I see one other possibility:

Instead, Jay could go into the maintenance tunnel, meet Hoody, and learn stuff from him that would advance the story. Perhaps Hoody would tell Jay what the Ark is, what Alex is trying to do, and what needs to be done to stop him. Somewhere along the way, x entries later, Jay will save Tim's life, causing Tim to realize that Jay's detective work actually does make a difference.

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