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[VIDEO] Entry #59
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pravado
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EmeraldWind wrote:
Interesting.

You know. Another explanation for Tim being two weeks off, is that this entry could have be recorded earlier than we think.

I mean there is a rather interesting gap in the tweets between May 22 and Jun 7 around the time that the events in the entry would have been recorded if it really was a week or so after the trip to the buildings.

Plus the tweet on May 22 seems to be the same train of thought Jay was on at the beginning of this entry. Maybe Jay withheld the tape for a while due to shame or something. After the events of this entry, it would take me a while to recover from everything. I certainly wouldn't have post the entry the next day.

The tweets that lead up to the video post were Jay just trying to cover up the self doubt, confusion, and rethinking he had did. Trying to make things seem normal or even to get himself moving again.


that's pretty unlikely and way too complex to be worth the explanation in game

something tells me that they were recording for the next entry though. this was all done in one shot and didn't look like it needed well... any editing whatsoever, and they took way too long to come out with it so i'm guessing that their OOG tweets about time restrictions and stuff is bc of other footage

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 		This probably has some bearing on the extent of Timnesia. I just rewatched entries #53-#58 and "Marble Hornets" is said only once, by Jay, three months ago in Entry #53. It's a bit off-hand and he never says it again. Then Tim knows the exact name in order to do the youtube search and find the videos.

So either (a) Tim has fantastic memory, (b) they mention the name a few more times in some phone calls (unlikely given how they just say "the movie" on camera), (c) Tim knew the name all along, or (d) Tim is starting to recover memories.

I'm thinking the last one is the most likely, given what he says in Entry #59. Maybe Jay will start to remember things that he'd forgotten, like the 7 month gap, or what happened in Entry #23.

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pravado
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aidansean wrote:
This probably has some bearing on the extent of Timnesia. I just rewatched entries #53-#58 and "Marble Hornets" is said only once, by Jay, three months ago in Entry #53. It's a bit off-hand and he never says it again. Then Tim knows the exact name in order to do the youtube search and find the videos.

So either (a) Tim has fantastic memory, (b) they mention the name a few more times in some phone calls (unlikely given how they just say "the movie" on camera), (c) Tim knew the name all along, or (d) Tim is starting to recover memories.

I'm thinking the last one is the most likely, given what he says in Entry #59. Maybe Jay will start to remember things that he'd forgotten, like the 7 month gap, or what happened in Entry #23.


Well I mean, if I was an actor in a movie, I would want to know the title. Tim seemed involved in the movie, being an actor and doing some of the soundtrack on ukelele. He knew Jay approached him because of a movie he did with Alex, and that's the only time they collaborated.

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pravado wrote:
aidansean wrote:
This probably has some bearing on the extent of Timnesia. I just rewatched entries #53-#58 and "Marble Hornets" is said only once, by Jay, three months ago in Entry #53. It's a bit off-hand and he never says it again. Then Tim knows the exact name in order to do the youtube search and find the videos.

So either (a) Tim has fantastic memory, (b) they mention the name a few more times in some phone calls (unlikely given how they just say "the movie" on camera), (c) Tim knew the name all along, or (d) Tim is starting to recover memories.

I'm thinking the last one is the most likely, given what he says in Entry #59. Maybe Jay will start to remember things that he'd forgotten, like the 7 month gap, or what happened in Entry #23.


Well I mean, if I was an actor in a movie, I would want to know the title. Tim seemed involved in the movie, being an actor and doing some of the soundtrack on ukelele. He knew Jay approached him because of a movie he did with Alex, and that's the only time they collaborated.


Well yeah, that's option (c). Mundane but realistic. It's also possible Tim forgot most things about MH. He was a last minute actor they used because he was there and he was being stalked for much of the production. Given that Jay had his memory wiped for over half a year the same could have easily happened to Tim. EDIT: It also happened six years ago.

I suppose I'm just getting a big hung up on the three week gap. It seems like Tim took three weeks to do the search and IG there are only so many reasons to take that long (recovering long lost memories, losing time etc) and the recovery of memories could move the plot in a new and interesting direction. In fact that could be the new "found tapes" scenario if Jay realises he can dig deep into his memory by visiting old locations. OOG... Stuff happens OOG and things can take longer that we'd like. Mundane but realistic.

Or another alternative is that Tim is just an angry, angry person who can keep the rage building up for 3 weeks.

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pravado
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 		Regardless of if he was added last minute or not, he was one of the three main characters of the movie and the s2 dvd trailer shows that.

They go to the hospital, 3 week silence, Tim claims he was fired from work because they said he didn't show up for 3 weeks. The week of the hospital visit he still had his job bc he said he had to check his schedule. So clearly Tim was "under the influence" and then "woke up" similar to how jay did in entry 27.

Tim remembered MH. Maybe not everything about it, but he remembered Alex being a dick all the way in season 3 so he didn't lose all of his memories. It's implied that people only lose memories of operator encounters / time spent in the operated trance.

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pravado wrote:
They go to the hospital, 3 week silence, Tim claims he was fired from work because they said he didn't show up for 3 weeks. The week of the hospital visit he still had his job bc he said he had to check his schedule. So clearly Tim was "under the influence" and then "woke up" similar to how jay did in entry 27.


I don't think that the 3 weeks where he didn't show up to work was the previous 3 weeks. He lists lots of mysterious things that happened to him (bloody head, broken leg, missing 3 weeks of work) and then says "but suddenly it stops, and I start getting better" suggesting that the 3 week gap in work happened years ago, or at least months ago. If he was pissed off at Jay for losing his job on the day of the video that would have been one of the first things he said, instead of putting it in the middle of a list of things that happened ages ago.

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aidansean wrote:
This probably has some bearing on the extent of Timnesia. I just rewatched entries #53-#58 and "Marble Hornets" is said only once, by Jay, three months ago in Entry #53. It's a bit off-hand and he never says it again. Then Tim knows the exact name in order to do the youtube search and find the videos.

So either (a) Tim has fantastic memory, (b) they mention the name a few more times in some phone calls (unlikely given how they just say "the movie" on camera), (c) Tim knew the name all along, or (d) Tim is starting to recover memories.

I'm thinking the last one is the most likely, given what he says in Entry #59. Maybe Jay will start to remember things that he'd forgotten, like the 7 month gap, or what happened in Entry #23.


I think the fact that we have not heard in the videos, does not mean that they have not mentioned often behind the camera. Anyway, as Pravado says, if he is able to remember other things, like the character of Alex, why not remember the name of the movie?

aidansean wrote:

I don't think that the 3 weeks where he didn't show up to work was the previous 3 weeks. He lists lots of mysterious things that happened to him (bloody head, broken leg, missing 3 weeks of work) and then says "but suddenly it stops, and I start getting better" suggesting that the 3 week gap in work happened years ago, or at least months ago. If he was pissed off at Jay for losing his job on the day of the video that would have been one of the first things he said, instead of putting it in the middle of a list of things that happened ages ago.


Yes, also would not fit with his comment about going to the hospital last week.

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 		Man can you imagine how pissed Tim is/was when he learns the date?

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 		I honestly believe that this video is probably from only a few days after the incident at the abandoned hospital. I think that Jay posted it later, due to him being very stressed out on whether he should upload it or not. Tim wouldn't just randomly think about their meeting, and search for "Marble Hornets" 3 weeks later. That makes no sense. He probably did the search the evening after the events of Entry #58. A day or so after that is most likely when he called Jay, asking him to meet him in the parking lot location.

After the fight between Jay and Tim took place, Jay became indecisive on uploading Entry #59. He wants Tim on his side so bad, so that they can team up and figure out this whole situation together. He thought that if he uploaded the video of Tim freaking out as an entry, he would lose EVEN MORE respect from him. So at this point, Jay had to make a decision between two people: The audience who has been watching and who has been committed to the entries for 3 years, or Tim, the person who he actually knows in real life and is involved with the student film himself. It was probably a very tough decision for Jay to make, and this is why Entry #59 has only been posted a couple days ago.

If this theory is true, then the fact that Jay lied to his audience shouldn't be taken lightly. This makes it more likely that he could have lied to us about other things in the past. A lot of you may think that Jay isn't lying, since he is the main character and what not. But we do hear Jay at the beginning state: "I assume it has to do with what all happened at the abandoned hospital a few days ago." And we all have questioned Tim saying: "Oh tonight? Tonight?! Not last week when you dragged me..."

Now, we would all think that Jay would edit these out to make it seem like it was just a few days ago that this event happened, but he didn't. We all know that our friend Jay can be a bit... well... dumb sometimes. And this goes right along with the theory. But I don't know, it's just my opinion.

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 		I'm not sure where you guys are getting that Tim got fired from his current job. He was giving Jay examples of how much the time loss stuff had ruined his life. He might have been back and forth at home and messing with Jay. I got the impression that he had lost a previous job that way, not that he had just lost his job again.

I think he said last week because to him, those events are still fresh in his mind and it seems like last week. Haven't you guys ever done that? It's not missing time, you're just thinking about an event so much that you forget when it actually occurred.

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twistedpuppet wrote:
I'm not sure where you guys are getting that Tim got fired from his current job. He was giving Jay examples of how much the time loss stuff had ruined his life. He might have been back and forth at home and messing with Jay. I got the impression that he had lost a previous job that way, not that he had just lost his job again.

I think he said last week because to him, those events are still fresh in his mind and it seems like last week. Haven't you guys ever done that? It's not missing time, you're just thinking about an event so much that you forget when it actually occurred.


Yes, but Jay also said that they went to the abandoned hospital "a few days ago" at the beginning of the entry.

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Teedub wrote:
twistedpuppet wrote:
I'm not sure where you guys are getting that Tim got fired from his current job. He was giving Jay examples of how much the time loss stuff had ruined his life. He might have been back and forth at home and messing with Jay. I got the impression that he had lost a previous job that way, not that he had just lost his job again.

I think he said last week because to him, those events are still fresh in his mind and it seems like last week. Haven't you guys ever done that? It's not missing time, you're just thinking about an event so much that you forget when it actually occurred.


Yes, but Jay also said that they went to the abandoned hospital "a few days ago" at the beginning of the entry.



Then that just further proves that Tim didn't lose his current job. I swear, sometimes people read too much into things.

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 		I wasn't saying that I support the theory that Tim lost his current job. I'm not in that boat at all. I'm just saying that I believe that the events of this Entry didn't just take place a few days ago. It was probably only a few days after Entry #58. It would make no sense if Tim lost his current job, because after he talks about losing a job because he wasn't there for 3 weeks, he says "And then things start to get better..." or whatever.

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Hello I'm new to this forum.
I like how at the start I thought Alex and Jay were easily the better actors, but as they haven't really grown as actors, Tim certainly has. I love the series going in this conflicting direction and I would love to see everything come together, (Brian is probably still alive, Alex is probably stalking Jay, whick means the Operator is still alive) not to mention Jessica who is out there, and The hooded man. I would especially love to see Jesica show up. Or, the creepy tunnell Twisted Evil

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Teedub wrote:
I wasn't saying that I support the theory that Tim lost his current job. I'm not in that boat at all. I'm just saying that I believe that the events of this Entry didn't just take place a few days ago. It was probably only a few days after Entry #58. It would make no sense if Tim lost his current job, because after he talks about losing a job because he wasn't there for 3 weeks, he says "And then things start to get better..." or whatever.


Yeah, I was using your theory to justify mine. Razz

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