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 		An insight into all of the entries in chronological order
This will be a topic where I dissect every entry during a rewatch. Probably will be plenty of wall of text, but I'm going to put each entry in spoiler tags. I'm going to "claim" the first 3 posts so that I can spread them out into pre-2006, 2009 events up to entry 52, and then the rest of current day. The 2006 footage can be at any time during the 3 months, so I'll kind of create what I think the time periods would be for those. Some entries that might not come right after each other (ex. 2 and 4) will do so in this topic because we will most likely never get the exact timeline and events seem to fit.

I will update the original post as I post these. This is going to be edited time and time again, so don't be surprised if things seem out of order at first. I'll post when it's all done. For now I'm just piecing things together so bear with me.





enttry #37 - April 1991
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April 4th, 1991. Alex Kralie's 5th birthday (judging by the # of candles when the operator appears). The visual tear is there at the beginning of the entry, implying that the operator teleported in and that he teleported away when alex's mom shooed him. Does this mean Alex's mom knew of the operator? I don't think it's relevant. The operator symbol over alex's face as he looks towards what alex's mom shooed away says to me that (if the events in this entry appear to be true) he saw the operator and that was when he was marked.

Anyway, the second segment has some weird audio going on with Alex's dad. The date on the camera goes haywire when he appears too. One of the dates that is flashed is D-Day, but the rest have no significance. I've google'd each date and searched for at least an hour now and found nothing. The dates range from 1891 to 1991, and every month appears once except for october. All in all, not much can be taken out of this entry. Whoever uploaded it wants us to know that they believe Alex was claimed long before 2006 (a theory I don't buy into bc alex would be missing huge chunks of time and everyone he knew said he was fine before summer of '06)



Entry #5 - April 2006

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Jay has stated on twitter that he didn't like watching this footage.
After rewatching it again, it would appear this is a sacrificing of Jay, but unfortunately that theory doesn't fit into the timeline. In the first scene just as the visual tear goes the audio goes haywire and Jay focuses in on the tallest trees, and then claims that the place is secluded, meaning that it appears to be a place where nobody really ever goes. He focuses on the same tall tree twice, as if he thinks something is up there, and it feels like at this part he's more focused on that tree than anything Alex is saying about the film.

(Alex points out a stream and Jay zooms in on it. Hoody makes it a point to point out the stream in entry 41. Jay passes a stream and points it out in entry 28. Perhaps this stream is of importance, perhaps it's coincidence.)


During the second scene, watch Alex's reaction as the visual tear comes in. He looks away almost immediately, stumbles on his words, and leads jay's eyes away from the direction of where he was just looking, as if he saw the operator teleport in. Jay coughs and then zooms in on the red tower which looks like it has a path nearby that we've never seen. The cough and distortion to me is enough proof that the operator is there.


Entry #12 - Late April/Early June 2006
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In this entry, Sarah mans the camera for Seth, but only temporarily as Alex says Seth will be the one recording the actual take. Alex doesn't seem to think the operator to be harmful so it's implied that this is the first time he sees him.


Entry #55 - Early June 2006


Entry #2 - Early June 2006
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Alex pulls over on the road kind of in the middle of the street which I thought was weird but irrelevant to anything. Also the operator was on the sidewalk across from the streetlight, but again, irrelevant. The fact that there is no visual tear or audio distortion implies that the operator wasn't there during what we saw. Alex says there was only a little time left on the tape so that's probably why it cuts out. I'd like to think Alex goes back with a camera to double check if it's the same guy from entry #12.


Entry #13 - Early June 2006

Entry #4 - Early June 2006
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This entry shows Alex and the operator in some park. Alex appears to be seeking out the operator in this one, actively chasing him only to come up with nothing. Audio removed, most likely by Alex. Why? Who cares. IIRC they used a playground in the movie (season 2 dvd promo) so maybe Alex comes back here for something relating to that.


Entry #10 - Early June 2006 (same night as Entry #4)
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In this one we see the operator chasing Alex through some woods. The only explanation I can think of for alex being in the woods at night is that he's leaving the area from entry 4. The audio is removed, just like entries 1,4, and 6 (which is why I believe them to take place all in the same night). However, totheark's "operator" video has the audio for this entry. You can hear the operator make a noise to alex before he starts sprinting.


Entry #1 - Early June 2006 (same night as Entries #4 and 10)
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I don't think I need to say anything about this one. The operator follows Alex home and Alex runs inside and turns the lamp off.


Entry #6 - Early June 2006 (same night as Entries #4, 10, and 1)
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Just a continuation of 1. This marks the point where Alex notices something is up with this guy following him so he starts filming himself everywhere he goes.


Entry #3

Entry #9


Entry #7

Entry #8

Entry #11

Entry #14

Entry #17

Entry #54b


Entry #56

Entry #57

Entry #51

Entry #20

Entry #22

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I'm going to go out of my way to mention that since entry #29 seems to be a continuity error, I'm not going to include it here.

Introduction

Entry #15

Entry #16

Entry #18

Entry #19

Entry #19.5

Entry #21

Entry #23

Entry #24

Entry #25

Entry #26

Entry #34

Entry #35

Entry #36

Entry #39

Entry #40

Entry #41

Entry #42

Entry #43

Entry #44

Entry #45

Entry #46

Entry #47

Entry #48

Entry #49

Entry #38

Entry #50

Entry #52

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 		Entry #27

Entry #28

Entry #30

Entry #31

Entry #32

Entry #33

Entry #53

Entry #54 (part a)

Entry #58

Entry #59

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 		Entry #13 is bothering me. It should have happened at least after entries #22, #51, #56, and #57 because Exit shows us that TTA existed at that time. In fact, that was probably the first thing TTA ever did...

EDIT: I don't think #29 is a continuity error, we just don't know when it happened.

And why is #20 between #51 and #22?

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 		Good on ya, Pravado. I'm interested in seeing you go into further detail with these. I don't think it's a totally accurate timeline (it's implied at the beginning of #56 that there's been quite some passage of time since #55, probably room enough for other entries to have taken place, and your placing of #20 is also surprising) but overall it's a nice chronology. I'll probably reply again when you've got things fully updated.

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 		Where is #3?

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 		#13 was during location scouting in an area we hadn't seen yet. Alex is seen chasing after the operator not running away. If anything I should have put it earlier in the timeline, not later. Just a reminder that totheark was following Jay, not Alex. If totheark's origin came from being taken by Alex, wouldn't he be following Alex?


20 is between 51 and 22 Because Tim mentions that he doesn't know where Brian has been. Tim's sickness is far worse than it was in any other entry around that time, implying it takes place after he gets taken. And the end of 22 makes me assume that it was the last sacrifice he did in the town before he moved. Also seth was cameraman in entry #20 so he couldn't have been gone yet (sure it could have been sarah but seth was the actual cameraman of the series, not sarah)

I personally believe 29 to be a continuity error. Bruce's shirt shows up and it wasn't there when he was teleported out, and the blood was still fresh at the time. Blood dries rather quick. Alex was the only one with a chestcam/handcam at the time of the murder and Jay didn't get it until days later so it couldn't have been Jay (or anyone else for that matter unless they owned a chestcam) since the blood would have been dry.

I guess I can put 55 after entry #2 since there's no operator and alex seems pretty calm whereas in 56 right off the bat you can tell he has bad intentions.


And again, this is not a finalized version.

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pravado wrote:
#13 was during location scouting in an area we hadn't seen yet. Alex is seen chasing after the operator not running away. If anything I should have put it earlier in the timeline, not later. Just a reminder that totheark was following Jay, not Alex. If totheark's origin came from being taken by Alex, wouldn't he be following Alex?


Alex said that he was doing location scouting when he lured Tim and Brian away. I've seen a theory that he was trying to do the same to Jay when this entry happened. I think whether he was running towards or away from TO or whether he was doing location scouting is irrelevant, since you still have to explain how TTA is there that early on... Does it really matter who he was filming? TTA films random people and does weird stuff all the time, and if the above theory is correct, maybe TTA wanted to see whether Alex was going to do to Jay what he did to them. Either way, it probably didn't happen before #56.

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20 is between 51 and 22 Because Tim mentions that he doesn't know where Brian has been. Tim's sickness is far worse than it was in any other entry around that time, implying it takes place after he gets taken. And the end of 22 makes me assume that it was the last sacrifice he did in the town before he moved. Also seth was cameraman in entry #20 so he couldn't have been gone yet (sure it could have been sarah but seth was the actual cameraman of the series, not sarah)


Alex is acting oddly casual in this entry, and they're still going over the script. That implies it's early in the series... ALEX mentions that he doesn't know where Brian is, not Tim. Not that unusual (but if he had gotten rid of him, why would he bring it up at all?)
Alex was also expecting Tim to come; when he knocked the door, he knew it was Tim. Tim also said that he has a history with the Slendersickness, and he's shown taking pills. At what point after getting out of the hospital did he have a chance to change clothes and get pills? If he was suffering memory loss (which he would have had to if your theory is correct), how would he remember to go to the meeting with Jay and Alex? It just doesn't seem plausible.
There were also a lot of people handling the camera throughout the series (a girl, possibly Sarah in #8 ) so it's not necessarily Seth. And didn't Alex say that the order to get rid of them was Tim, Seth, and then Brian anyway (in a time span of 2 days no less)? The end of #22 is too controversial to use as evidence (Alex could have taped it later on, Alex could have been lying, etc.)
Also, the abandoned hospital is supposed to be really far away. Alex, Tim, and Seth would all be too far away to make it to the hospital or back in so little time. There's just no way this could happen.

pravado wrote:

I personally believe 29 to be a continuity error. Bruce's shirt shows up and it wasn't there when he was teleported out, and the blood was still fresh at the time. Blood dries rather quick. Alex was the only one with a chestcam/handcam at the time of the murder and Jay didn't get it until days later so it couldn't have been Jay (or anyone else for that matter unless they owned a chestcam) since the blood would have been dry.


The blood was in water, so I don't think drying would have been an issue. It's also hard to tell whether Bruce's shirt was left behind when he teleported out, or whether any actual teleporting happened (Oppy has done strange things to the camera before, it could have stopped for a few minutes while Alex moved the body or something.) Which entry did Jay get the chestcam in by the way?

EDIT: I just rewatched the entry and did a little research. I thought you were referring to the blood in the puddles, not in the rock, silly me. Even so: blood dries about as fast as water does. In a dark, moist, enclosed area like the tunnel, it's plausible that it could have stayed wet enough for Jay to get some on his fingers after a few days.

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And again, this is not a finalized version.

I know, I'm just making suggestions for improvement.

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 		Good work, Pravado!

I'm also compiling a rough chronology of the series right now, and I'm tempted to put entries #17 and #20 before Alex's first contact with the Operator because of Tim. Alex seems completely normal in both videos, whereas Tim seems to already be under the influence of the Operator. That, combined with his existing Slendysickness and knowledge of the hospital, suggests to me that Tim might be... the first victim? Patient zero? The Operator's first proxy?

In the spirit of intellectual enquiry, is there any merit to the idea? Is there definitive proof that it's wrong?

Also, there was some discussion -- long, long ago, and possible not even on Unfiction -- that Entry #4 is a direct continuation of Entry #2. Was that disproved while I wasn't looking, or is it still a viable theory?
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Illuminant wrote:
Good work, Pravado!

I'm also compiling a rough chronology of the series right now, and I'm tempted to put entries #17 and #20 before Alex's first contact with the Operator because of Tim. Alex seems completely normal in both videos, whereas Tim seems to already be under the influence of the Operator. That, combined with his existing Slendysickness and knowledge of the hospital, suggests to me that Tim might be... the first victim? Patient zero? The Operator's first proxy?

In the spirit of intellectual enquiry, is there any merit to the idea? Is there definitive proof that it's wrong?


Makes sense to me. Razz I think there are a few theories that Tim was stalked by TO as a child. I think one of them is that a bunch of people from MH grew up together in Rosswood or something and somehow forgot or something. Another (iirc) is that Tim was put in the hospital as a result of an illness that was actually caused by TO. I think a few people have theorized about TO being a "contagious" being (like it spread from Alex to Tim to Jay, and Jay somehow absorbed it, or in this case from Tim to everyone), but I don't know how developed that theory is. Interesting...

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Also, there was some discussion -- long, long ago, and possible not even on Unfiction -- that Entry #4 is a direct continuation of Entry #2. Was that disproved while I wasn't looking, or is it still a viable theory?


I think that was pretty much confirmed by Jay, either in one of the entries or on Twitter. And besides, entry #13 probably didn't happen that early on because we know that TTA existed by entry #13 from Exit.


EDIT: Wow this comment is long. I take commenting too seriously, lol.

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 		the times that alex takes brian is during filming. with tim it's not but that has nothign to do with where i palced it. filming and location scouting (and even rehearsing scripts) are things that don't happen in any specific order with a movie. they could location scout the next area after filming if they wanted. and again, you're assuming totheark is the way he is because of alex but we don't know that to be true: what we do know is that the operator made him that way and the operator wasn't necessarily attracted to alex at first. totheark could have been around before any of this started. i'm just going based on what evidence we do have regardless of if a hypothetical situation can outrule it. this is my view of the timeline, i understand there are other scenarios but this is what makes the most sense to me. so sure sarah could have been camerawoman but to me it's more likely to be seth.

alex mentions not knowing where brian is in 20, but tim says "actually i haven't seen him in a while" or something - implying alex is doing it to see if tim remembers anything from the hospital.


water doesn't take a few days to dry up, and blood does dry quicker than water.


lets not forget about entry 38 or 51. alex seemed pretty normal when we know he was under the influence. his lack of paranoia could simply be him not fearing the operator anymore bc he's possessed or whatever.


and no entry mentions 2 and 4's lack of connection nor does any of jay's tweets

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pravado wrote:
the times that alex takes brian is during filming. with tim it's not but that has nothign to do with where i palced it. filming and location scouting (and even rehearsing scripts) are things that don't happen in any specific order with a movie. they could location scout the next area after filming if they wanted.


But one of the reasons that you thought that #13 happened so early on is that they were location scouting... So if location scouting can happen at any point in production, that's not a valid reason to place it so early in the timeline.

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and again, you're assuming totheark is the way he is because of alex but we don't know that to be true: what we do know is that the operator made him that way and the operator wasn't necessarily attracted to alex at first. totheark could have been around before any of this started.


The theory that TTA existed as a result of or at least after the "incidences" has a lot of IG evidence to support it. There is much less evidence to support the theory that #13 happened early on (one of your reasons was that they were still location scouting, but we both just agreed that that has nothing to do with the timeline. Your other reason was that Alex didn't run away from TO, but it's really hard to tell where he's running in #13, and anyway, he went toward TO in #43 or #46, too, so that doesn't mean anything. :/ ) Why do you think #13 happened so early? Because I don't see any good reasons...

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i'm just going based on what evidence we do have regardless of if a hypothetical situation can outrule it. this is my view of the timeline, i understand there are other scenarios but this is what makes the most sense to me.


I'm just pointing out that some situations you describe are either implausible or impossible based on our current knowledge...

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so sure sarah could have been camerawoman but to me it's more likely to be seth.

There are still so many problems with #20 happening between #51 and #22. There is pretty much NO way it could happen (driving distances, Tim returning after suffering memory loss, small time span, different clothes, etc.) Please reread the entirety of what I wrote. It's just not feasible.

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alex mentions not knowing where brian is in 20, but tim says "actually i haven't seen him in a while" or something - implying alex is doing it to see if tim remembers anything from the hospital.


As with the cameraman thing, you're making assumptions to support your theory when you should be looking at the evidence and adjusting your theory based on it. And Alex said that he would get rid of Seth the night after Tim, and Brian the next day, so why would Brian be missing and Seth be there? How did Alex know Tim would be at the door? How did they make repeated trips to the hospital, which is really far away, in such a short period of time? When did Tim even say anything about not seeing Brian...? It just doesn't work.

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water doesn't take a few days to dry up, and blood does dry quicker than water.


Like I said, it depends on the environment and the weather. The tunnel is the perfect environment for blood to stay moist enough to rub off on someone's fingers a few days later. Blood doesn't actually dry much faster than water, it just coagulates. And who knows, Bruce could have been a hemophiliac. Wink

Again, when exactly did Jay get the chestcam? Because if we don't know, then it might not have been a few days, anyway.

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lets not forget about entry 38 or 51. alex seemed pretty normal when we know he was under the influence. his lack of paranoia could simply be him not fearing the operator anymore bc he's possessed or whatever.


Maybe it's just me, but Alex did NOT seem normal in #51 and #38. And he was nowhere near as casual and joking as he was in #20. And wait, even if you think that Seth was supposed to get taken after Brian (even though Alex himself said otherwise), then why would Alex feel free of TO? He would have been planning to get rid of Seth the next day, so wouldn't he be even MORE on edge?

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and no entry mentions 2 and 4's lack of connection nor does any of jay's tweets
Derp, I was thinking of 1 and 6. Silly me.

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 		13 comes early in the timeline because alex is seeking out the operator. map out the area if you have to. he walks away from the building, looks towards the fence and sees the operator, then runs back towards the building when he could have ran towards the right of the bleachers which was the complete opposite direction.

nothing proves 51 and 22 happened on the same day, so my theory for 20 coming in between still stands. alex knows tim is coming because he invited him... they're in brian's house and brian is mysteriously nowhere to be found, go figure. tims sudden severe illness fits in, brians missing, alex seems fine, and totheark blames alex for all of this in one of his newer videos (he directed it at alex because at the end a spectograph said "this will be your last birthday"), not tim. alex was the one who brought the operator into play, therefore tim's illnesses originate as a result of alex. and alex lies, it's something we've seen time and time again. him saying seth will be later that day is not something that is fact. nothing alex says is fact. only his actions are.



Jay got the chestcam in entry 52, he takes it out of alex's car before they go to the hotel.


These are MY hypotheticals and theories tied into place. I can use hypotheticals in this topic since it's my views on the series. You can't use hypotheticals to counter my hypotheticals, this isn't the topic for that.

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nothing proves 51 and 22 happened on the same day, so my theory for 20 coming in between still stands.

No, entries 56 (not 51) and 22 happened on the same day because Alex said they did. On multiple occasions. Your only reason for believing that Seth was taken after Brian is that YOU think that the end of 22 must have happened on the same night as the beginning of 22, and that this must mean that 22 was the last abduction that Alex did before giving the tapes to Jay. Both of our theories are based on the idea that Alex lies. You think that he lied about the timeline on camera, whereas I think he recorded the end of 22 at a later time. Which is more likely? He gave #22 to Jay, so he would have a reason to lie. He has NO reason to lie in 51 and 55, as he DIDN'T want Jay to see them. What would be Alex's motivation to lie to people who were either going to be killed or mind-wiped? Do you understand?

Entry #55 wrote:

Tim: […] are we filming anything today?"
Alex: "No I'm not going to shoot anything without Brian here."
Tim: "Ok. When is he supposed to get here?"
Alex: "Well, he'll be here tomorrow, and Seth will be here later today."


Entry #55 wrote:

Alex: "I do mind. There is no way this place could pass as a school. I'll just go over there with Seth when he gets here."


Entry #51 wrote:

Brian: "Where's Seth at?"
Alex: "We came out here yesterday, but he wan't feeling too good so he stayed home today."




pravado wrote:

alex knows tim is coming because he invited him...

Why would Alex invite Tim after he attacked him and (probably) tried to kill him? When did Alex even have a chance to invite Tim? Tim was fleeing from Alex the last time he saw him, remember? How did Alex know that Tim was alive? How did Tim remember the invitation after being Slendy-raped?

And again, the abandoned hospital is VERY far away. We know that Brian's house is likely to be in the same area as Jay's and the park from season 1 because that's where they were doing all their work on the film (also, at least OOG, the house in Return and the house from #18 seem to match Brian's house.) Tim (and Jay?) said that the abandoned hospital is hours away. How did Tim get to Brian's so quickly after #51??

Are you telling me that after being attacked by a madman with a pipe, being Slendy-raped, and likely being left without transportation overnight, Tim (who would have needed Brian's help to get out anyway, so he should have known where Brian was) somehow drove hours to Brian's house to go work on the script?! Because somehow, despite probably suffering memory loss from both the head injury and Slendy, he remembered that he was supposed to meet with Jay and Alex? And along the way, he changed clothes and got a bottle of water and pills? That's ridiculous. Please explain.

No, you know what? I'm not even going to address the rest of what you said until you explain this. This is such a huge hole in your theory that you keep on ignoring. There are problems with the other things you said, but it doesn't matter because there's no way entry #20 couldn't have happened after #51 because of this. No matter how much support you think you have for #20 being after #51, it just couldn't physically happen.


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Jay got the chestcam in entry 52, he takes it out of alex's car before they go to the hotel.
Since you seem to remember, how do we know how much time has passed between Alex's attack on Bruce and entry #52?

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These are MY hypotheticals and theories tied into place. I can use hypotheticals in this topic since it's my views on the series. You can't use hypotheticals to counter my hypotheticals, this isn't the topic for that.
What? But what you're saying has such weak evidence, and logically should be IMPOSSIBLE...

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 		I have enough evidence to back up my claims, your counter arguments are mere hypotheticals and you're still ignoring things I've said (that nothing alex says can be taken as truth, that 51 and 22 happen a few days apart, which explains Alex having room to invite tim over (invited cause he knew he wouldn't remember anything and wanted to see how tim was doing, he knows what happens to tim bc he is around when brian is taken and tim is right there. gives time for them to get back from the hospital, yadda yadda).

Your evidence is just as weak, because again, it's all hypothetical. Neither side is fact, this is my take on things.

you don't understand the point of this topic. I've picked apart this series frame by frame, line by line. It may not be what you agree with , but I'm filling in the blanks with my own ideas. That's the whole reason I made MY OWN topic for this and didn't just post a ton of stuff in the timeline topic.

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