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Lithp wrote:
I have a new critique.

I can't figure out when the fuck anything happens.


That's why we have the wiki.

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t3hkender
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pravado wrote:
Yuki wrote:
Considering your critiques--well-intentioned as they are--have a tendency to derail the threads completely, I think a critique thread is a good idea. Especially because posts that derail threads could potentially be called trolling.


My posts are not what derails the threads. People's opinions of my posts are. That is not my fault. The act of trolling is intentionally pissing someone off in a very forward manner, something I am not doing.

Main entry threads don't ever get derailed. For every one person that starts talking about my post, 20+ other posts are there to discuss the entry.


I'm gonna be frank here.

Saying that it isn't your fault because people don't like it when you're a killjoy isn't very solid ground to stand on.

Also, while I agree that your criticisms aren't trolling and are valid (and, sometimes, I even agree with the criticisms themselves), you are very negative in your presentation. Other forum members have expressed a distaste for the way that you act on this forum, and have politely requested that you change your tune and act a little more positive. You've continued to spit in their faces and do whatever you please, because "if other people don't like the way I act, it's not me, it's them". Get over yourself.

Also also, you do troll when your justification for this is "at least I'm not posting OMGZ NO SLEEP TONIGHT like everyone else". That's a condescending attack on those people who post things like that. Frankly, you've implied through your posting that anyone who gets excited about or is impressed by an episode of Marble Hornets is stupid or childish.

Your "go to" argument for why you make those posts is that you want Troy and Joseph to be able to see them and improve on their work using your advice. Why would they? You're gaining a reputation on this forum as "that guy who just complains and belittles people who disagree with him all the time". Even if you mean to be constructive, you aren't.

EDIT: To anyone who would, don't bother telling me to drop it. I'm done dignifying this with comment.

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Geneaux486
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Zarggg wrote:
Lithp wrote:
I have a new critique.

I can't figure out when the fuck anything happens.


That's why we have the wiki.


It's a great tool for keeping all the information straight. You're a big contributor there, right? I feel like I saw your name in several entries there before I even started coming to Unfiction.

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 		Doesn't help me because the timeline says things like "The events of Entry Whatever occur," instead of things like, "Alex tries to shoot Jay."

While we're on the subject, can someone remind me why Jay went to the abandoned house in the first place?

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Geneaux486 wrote:
Zarggg wrote:
Lithp wrote:
I have a new critique.

I can't figure out when the fuck anything happens.


That's why we have the wiki.


It's a great tool for keeping all the information straight. You're a big contributor there, right? I feel like I saw your name in several entries there before I even started coming to Unfiction.


Ditto. I started watching MH around the end of Season 1, and that wiki was how I got into it. It continues to be the way that I introduce people to the series, because it helps to clarify things and get people caught up in all of the things that you can't get just from watching the videos straight through (the tweets, pictures, things that have been discovered hidden in the videos like the sound-picture-things and whatnot).

Kudos to everyone who's put in hard work on that thing, and thanks.
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Lithp wrote:
Doesn't help me because the timeline says things like "The events of Entry Whatever occur," instead of things like, "Alex tries to shoot Jay."

While we're on the subject, can someone remind me why Jay went to the abandoned house in the first place?


It's been a while, but as I recall, he was trying to locate Alex.

As far as the "events of entry X happen", it's deliberately vague to avoid being spoilery. The wiki makes it easy to flip over to the referenced entry to get clarification if you aren't one of us that's an encyclopedia of what-happened-when.
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 		The only problem I ever have with critique posts is that a lot of the time they aren't spoiler'd for OOG-ness.

And the entire "I'd like to see you do better" factor too. But mostly the spoilers.

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t3hkender wrote:
Ditto. I started watching MH around the end of Season 1, and that wiki was how I got into it. It continues to be the way that I introduce people to the series, because it helps to clarify things and get people caught up in all of the things that you can't get just from watching the videos straight through (the tweets, pictures, things that have been discovered hidden in the videos like the sound-picture-things and whatnot).

Kudos to everyone who's put in hard work on that thing, and thanks.


No doubt, even by wiki standards I think it's particularly informative. They do a great job with it.

I don't use it when getting friends into the show though, but I probably should. Instead I usually wind up explaining those types of things myself. One of those things where when watching someone else experience it for the first time it's sort of like experiencing it for the first time again myself, if that makes sense.

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 		i hate the "lets see you do better" argument. it's irrelevant to anything

for the guy asking why things are happening, jay is forced to do this investigation. he tried to quit once in entry 23 and then entries 24 and 25 happened

No matter what he does, the operator will find him (shown by the latest entry)

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pravado wrote:
i hate the "lets see you do better" argument. it's irrelevant to anything

for the guy asking why things are happening, jay is forced to do this investigation. he tried to quit once in entry 23 and then entries 24 and 25 happened

No matter what he does, the operator will find him (shown by the latest entry)


Is he still forced? I kinda get the impression he's in it more for the bringing (someone, not clear anymore who) to justice and finding and/or rescuing Jessica.

I don't get the feeling that the Operator is after Jay at all currently. Until entry 60, Jay hadn't encountered the Operator (or Alex, or Masky, or, frankly, anything weird) in the present for over a year. I think if he wanted to quit, he could; I think he's pressing forward either because of the above-mentioned goals, or because he's obsessed with this or doesn't know how to return to a normal life after being removed from his for so long.

The Operator didn't come after Jay; Jay went to a place where the Operator has been heavily implied to have been before (possibly even originated from). Also, unless Jay has some form of protection from the Operator that we're not aware of, I'd have to say that the Operator wasn't trying to catch Jay, just scare him away. If the Operator had wanted to catch Jay, he would have--I don't think there's any way that Jay could have actually escaped that situation otherwise.
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 		I think the whole reason he started this investigation was because he was concerned about Alex and wanted to find out if he was still alive. Now it's just all he's got left. He may just be hoping to find a reason behind the things he's lost.

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 		If Jay wanted to help find Jessica so bad he wouldn't sit on his ass all day waiting for something to happen :p

If Jay hadn't gotten Jessica involved, he would most likely be done with all this by entry 33. There's really no reason besides Jessica for Jay to go on.

The operator never really bothered Jay until entry 52. before that jay was led to him. In entry 60 its implied by the person walking that the operator was brought to this place by whoever did the walking (probably alex otherwise i feel like they whould have shown who was walking)

Totheark isn't harmful, Alex hasn't shown his face in over a year, and Tim wants nothing to do with Jay. Without Jessica missing he can go on living his life.

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 		I do feel like there might still be reason for Jay to continue even if Jessica weren't involved. He's seen Alex do some pretty horrible stuff. He's smashed Tim's leg (and probably would have killed him without Jay's intervention), he killed Bruce, and done who-knows-what to the MH cast.

Aside from totheark and the various masked men, as far as we can tell, Jay's the only one involved in this who isn't missing or dead. Perhaps he feels like he's the only one who can put a stop to all of this (even though we don't even know if Alex is alive).

He's also had some pretty disturbing stuff happen to him. Despite the danger, I can't fault him for wanting to get to the bottom of it.

...That's not to say that I don't think he's in it to try to save Jessica. I just don't think it's his only motivation.
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pravado wrote:
Totheark isn't harmful, Alex hasn't shown his face in over a year, and Tim wants nothing to do with Jay. Without Jessica missing he can go on living his life.


That's just it though, it's always the desire to help someone else that pulls Jay back in. It's just who he is. His active investigation began when he decided to find out where Alex had gone to, then it was Alex's "help" tape that kept him involved even after he became homeless, and now it's about finding Jessica, who's dissapearance he probably feels at least somewhat responsible for.

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 		I'm curious to see how they're going to forward the plot. Jay has no leads, Tim wants nothing to do with him, and Hoody's clue doesn't really do anything for Jay other than confirm that Tim was lying and does remember.

If they give us an entry where Tim reveals everything after Jay calls him out with the papers, it'd make entries 59 and 60 kind of completely pointless

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