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t3hkender
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pravado wrote:
I'm curious to see how they're going to forward the plot. Jay has no leads, Tim wants nothing to do with him, and Hoody's clue doesn't really do anything for Jay other than confirm that Tim was lying and does remember.

If they give us an entry where Tim reveals everything after Jay calls him out with the papers, it'd make entries 59 and 60 kind of completely pointless


Well, there are a few directions I could see it going.

Either Tim, totheark, Alex or someone else could instigate something that gives Jay a new place to investigate or forces him to unwillingly go back to the hospital (who knows, maybe we aren't done there yet).

I'm personally still not so clear as to the importance of Rosswood park in relation to the hospital. They could expand on that.

The papers themselves could give Jay a new direction. If they contain the address of the house that Tim grew up in, I expect he'll pay it a visit.

Totheark could, at any given moment, feed Jay information that gets him moving again somehow.

With Tim 'outed' as a liar, maybe we'll finally see the reappearance of the Masked man (men? people? Maskfolk?)
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pravado wrote:
I'm curious to see how they're going to forward the plot. Jay has no leads, Tim wants nothing to do with him, and Hoody's clue doesn't really do anything for Jay other than confirm that Tim was lying and does remember.

If they give us an entry where Tim reveals everything after Jay calls him out with the papers, it'd make entries 59 and 60 kind of completely pointless


Seems kinda premature to say Jay has no leads when we don't know what all is on those papers, or what Tim is supposedly lying about (I think after his outburst in entry 59, there's no doubt that he didn't remember his exploits as the masked man). I was thinking the next entry might be a 19.5 type of thing where Jay goes through his haul from his latest B&E (minus the "B"), but I think too much time has passed for that. All I can say is as long as Jay doesn't find the word "Corenthall" on any of those papers I'll be happy.

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i really hope jay doesn't just get a tip on where to go next from hoody or something. that's now how entertaining plots progress, it's lazy writing imo. the reason this tunnel worked was because it tied into the past entry

if jay gets another tape at his door or breaks into tim's house and finds something leading him to the next area or something, i'll be dissapointed.

they should really have tim or hoody tell jay everything already and build upon that for the rest of the season. if they team jay up with them too late the desire for it to happen will not be as strong. now is a peak time to give jay a really big answer to one of the questions he's been wondering about for a long time. they can't leave too much unanswered at the end or when people reflect on the series they'll be let down. and if they pull a lost and reveal all the mysteries at once then they'll really get bad feedback

hopefully they're planning on making season 3 longer than 1 and 2 because so far i'd rate season 3 lower than both in terms of plot, but the dialogue has gotten better. i really liked entry 54 because it built up a comedic atmosphere only to end in horror. but they have overstayed their welcome at the hospital, and i really hope tim's health issues are figured out and over with soon because it's not really an entertaining subplot imo.

that being said i still enjoy each entry and shit myself when i see a new MH video on youtube, just wish they would advance the plot a little faster than they are. i guess timelier entries wouldn't leave me feeling this way, or if they ended this "hunt for clues" jay is on and just have tim and hoody be direct with him since we're close to the endgame

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Geneaux486 wrote:
pravado wrote:
I'm curious to see how they're going to forward the plot. Jay has no leads, Tim wants nothing to do with him, and Hoody's clue doesn't really do anything for Jay other than confirm that Tim was lying and does remember.

If they give us an entry where Tim reveals everything after Jay calls him out with the papers, it'd make entries 59 and 60 kind of completely pointless


Seems kinda premature to say Jay has no leads when we don't know what all is on those papers, or what Tim is supposedly lying about (I think after his outburst in entry 59, there's no doubt that he didn't remember his exploits as the masked man). I was thinking the next entry might be a 19.5 type of thing where Jay goes through his haul from his latest B&E (minus the "B"), but I think too much time has passed for that. All I can say is as long as Jay doesn't find the word "Corenthall" on any of those papers I'll be happy.



Nothing Jay finds on those papers will give him any leads on where to go next to help find Jessica. They might reveal that Tim needs his help and that he should meet up with Tim again, but how long can that charade go on for before it gets boring? And again, in the other scenario that could arise from this, if Jay finds out through these papers that Tim hadn't lost any memory, then it makes entries 58 and 59 irrelevant to the plot at large.

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pravado wrote:
Nothing Jay finds on those papers will give him any leads on where to go next to help find Jessica.


No, but they could give us additional insight into the Operator, or the manifestation of Tim's alter-ego, which could in turn point Jay in a new direction.

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It's a feeble possibility, but Hoody could've left some other clues in the folder as well.

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Whatever they do, I hope they focus more on the operator appearances than anything else.

In the last entry plenty of people were complaining that the first time we see him he's really blurry and his positioning is weird, and when he pops up behind jay his face looks off and all this other stuff

since it's the reason 90% of people are watching the series, i just hope they take his appearances with more caution and planning than they did in season 2, although Entry 43 nailed it and so did entry 40.

I'm sure it's hard to animate him in a way that makes him creepy, but they had no problem doing that in season 1. i wouldn't mind waiting 3 weeks for an entry if the operator appearances were rock solid (and didn't end the entry with him appearing)

Part of me thinks that he can't be animated without it looking dumb, but we have to see some kind of full body movement to know that he is capeable of it. we haven't seen that since entry 40. it's just kind of cheap to make your villain teleport everywhere because the more he does it, the less scared i am of him being out of frame because i know the second jay turns around he'll be there. lets see an entry where jay is trapped somewhere, like outside of his car, as the operator slowly walks towards him, but don't do the typical thing where jay starts running and only turns around every few seconds, lets get that fucker on camera for a solid 10 seconds without being completely still. i'm sure they've heard this a million times but i can't stress it enough how we need to see more of the operator actually giving chase to the characters rather than being cheap and teleporting behind them when they're not looking. he's an eldrich monster but he needs to have some kind of human qualities since he has a human like body. taking those away takes away part of the reason people feared him in the first place



my main beef with season 3 is that it feels like the main focus is on tim's past rather than the operator in the present. something tells me that's going to change soon though so i got my fingers crossed.

god i can totally see any of the trio reading these posts and just going "Fuck you man we're doing the best we can" - if you guys are reading this i promote this series like it's my job and i get just as giddy as any other fan out there.

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The Operator's appearance has never been all that static. Arm length varies, face has been completely blank in some appearances while in other appearances parts of his face are dented where his eye sockets would be, etc. I've always kinda thought that the tall, disproportionate, and faceless humanoid with the fluctuating build isn't the Operator's true form, merely the one the entity takes when dealing with people, maybe the closest it's capable of coming to mimicking the human form.
Point is I'm not convinced that inconsistencies in its appearance aren't deliberate.

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pravado wrote:

Part of me thinks that he can't be animated without it looking dumb, but we have to see some kind of full body movement to know that he is capeable of it. we haven't seen that since entry 40. it's just kind of cheap to make your villain teleport everywhere because the more he does it, the less scared i am of him being out of frame because i know the second jay turns around he'll be there. lets see an entry where jay is trapped somewhere, like outside of his car, as the operator slowly walks towards him, but don't do the typical thing where jay starts running and only turns around every few seconds, lets get that fucker on camera for a solid 10 seconds without being completely still. i'm sure they've heard this a million times but i can't stress it enough how we need to see more of the operator actually giving chase to the characters rather than being cheap and teleporting behind them when they're not looking. he's an eldrich monster but he needs to have some kind of human qualities since he has a human like body. taking those away takes away part of the reason people feared him in the first place


Have a drop of hope: they do look like they're trying to make him move, to me. In S3 we had two OT appearaces, and the first one involved a goddamn leg moving way too fast.
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The wiki makes it easy to flip over to the referenced entry to get clarification if you aren't one of us that's an encyclopedia of what-happened-when.


I am. Just not for Marble Hornets.

It's possible that we'll be seeing The Operator move more and more, leading up to the finale, which was a big appearance by him in the last season. Not sure about season 1.

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That timeline on the wiki makes it a lot easier to make sense of the summer of 2006, that's for sure, though I question its assignment of entries 54 and 55 so close to entry 56 when in 56 Tim says it's been a long time since he told Alex about the building and in 54 and 55, Alex wasn't his paranoid "Aware I'm being stalked by the Operator" self.

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pravado wrote:
i really hope jay doesn't just get a tip on where to go next from hoody or something. that's now how entertaining plots progress, it's lazy writing imo. the reason this tunnel worked was because it tied into the past entry

if jay gets another tape at his door or breaks into tim's house and finds something leading him to the next area or something, i'll be dissapointed.

they should really have tim or hoody tell jay everything already and build upon that for the rest of the season. if they team jay up with them too late the desire for it to happen will not be as strong. now is a peak time to give jay a really big answer to one of the questions he's been wondering about for a long time. they can't leave too much unanswered at the end or when people reflect on the series they'll be let down. and if they pull a lost and reveal all the mysteries at once then they'll really get bad feedback

hopefully they're planning on making season 3 longer than 1 and 2 because so far i'd rate season 3 lower than both in terms of plot, but the dialogue has gotten better. i really liked entry 54 because it built up a comedic atmosphere only to end in horror. but they have overstayed their welcome at the hospital, and i really hope tim's health issues are figured out and over with soon because it's not really an entertaining subplot imo.

that being said i still enjoy each entry and shit myself when i see a new MH video on youtube, just wish they would advance the plot a little faster than they are. i guess timelier entries wouldn't leave me feeling this way, or if they ended this "hunt for clues" jay is on and just have tim and hoody be direct with him since we're close to the endgame


I don't feel like S3 has been less interesting or somehow worse than 1 and 2, but I definitely agree with you that it seems to be moving at a frustratingly slow pace. I do think the dialogue has gotten better, though, and that could even just be a function of more of the dialogue involving Tim: This season is the most we've actually gotten out of the guy dialogue-wise, and Tim's a pretty brilliant actor.

At this point I don't know if we're gonna get the Maskies + Jay team-up like I once expected, especially since totheark (who is probably Hoody, I feel) seems to be at odds with Tim now and Tim seems to be at odds with Jay.

I'm anxious for the return of Alex. I'm so sure of it coming, and I'm terrified. I didn't realize it until just now, but I'm more afraid of Alex than I am of the Operator. Huh.
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Well, Alex has a gun, The Operator just kind of photobombs.

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Geneaux486 wrote:
The Operator's appearance has never been all that static. Arm length varies, face has been completely blank in some appearances while in other appearances parts of his face are dented where his eye sockets would be, etc. I've always kinda thought that the tall, disproportionate, and faceless humanoid with the fluctuating build isn't the Operator's true form, merely the one the entity takes when dealing with people, maybe the closest it's capable of coming to mimicking the human form.
Point is I'm not convinced that inconsistencies in its appearance aren't deliberate.


The inconsistencies are due to OOG things though. They even said that in season 2 it looks like he has eye sockets bc they started using an HD camera and it picked up on little things that they were trying to fix. His arm and leg height was thrown off due to the chest cam having a wide angled lens. I feel like they're constantly trying little tweaks to see if they look better, but it's totally all OOG stuff, not IG.

And I really wouldn't call entry 54 an "operator" appearance it was probably ellis in the hallway with a long piece of black material that he just shoved into the room haha

The only reason I made that post was because in 60, he is inanimate once again. it could be that he moved at first, but even if he did troy edited right over it.

So yeah like I said, i have hope that they'll figure out something that works (they obviously put crazy amounts of time into the series so i'm sure eventually they'll find something) i just hope it's sooner rather than later

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Lithp wrote:
Well, Alex has a gun, The Operator just kind of photobombs.


this made me lol

yeah i see things the same way especially considering the operator just let jay get away. i'm starting to think more and more that the operator is harmless without a vessel

something else i'd like to see: jay making panicky noises instead of running silently. not noah maxwell levels of panic, but i really enjoyed his "no no no no no" in entry 46. sucks they keep it pg rated and don't curse, i would love to hear jay just start going "oh shit oh shit oh shit" once in a while hah

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