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[VIDEO] Entry #60.5
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Starkley
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Re: Rosswood Park and the MH filming areas

GnomonRose wrote:
Can you clarify for me, anyone? I had thought that Rosswood Park and environs were in the area where Jay woke up at the beginning of Season 2 (with the hotel documentary), far from the place where Alex and Jay and all lived and shot the main footage of Marble Hornets...like, several states away, that was my impression.


I don't think it was that far away; it was just that Jay was in a motel that he hadn't been to before and therefore didn't recognize the area. Eventually he got his bearings and realized where Rosswood and so on were. It might be some sizeable distance from his hometown, but I'd guess that he's within at least a few dozen miles of it. The Season 2 Entries kind of make clear that Jay had found Alex while looking around, and I don't see Jay going cross-country just to figure out what happened to Alex, unless JayXAlex is a canon ship now...

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And now...I thought that Jay had come back to his hometown area and found Tim around there, right?


This kind of furthers my point that Jay isn't THAT far away from his hometown between the motel, Rosswood, and our current location.

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And that the hospital was rather closer to their hometown (though still a while away) than to Rosswood.


This is probably true, because Tim states at one point that Alex never strayed too far away from his house to shoot. That also implies that Rosswood wasn't too far away from the hometown either, especially because the recent Entry 60.5 states that Tim had run away and was found there as a kid.

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So that we were dealing with basically three distinct areas... am I wrong?


I'd say from all this that it's one distinct region with a bunch of areas inside of it. A few dozen square miles in all, maybe close to 100 at most.


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And now, by the way, is Jay working out of another hotel/motel, or is he at his folks' home, or in some other place?? I am really not sure and I'm not sure if we have answers or not, but I thought I'd just ask and see if anyone is clearer about this.


As far as I know, we don't have any clues as to Jay's whereabouts. The point is for him to stay hidden so that the Masked Men and The Operator don't find him. He's hidden himself in many places throughout the series and is constantly changing location. Entry #60.5 uses a bland background to further this disguising of location.

Hope that helps. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about anything.

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Magyk wrote:
P. Kate wrote:
Looking for a child with epic sideburns in Alex's birthday video... you never know. Might as well. Rolling Eyes

Anyway:



Still cannot read. . .


Two playground ago.


No, I think it's 2 PLAYDATES ago.

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P. Kate wrote:
Looking for a child with epic sideburns in Alex's birthday video... you never know. Might as well. Rolling Eyes

Anyway:



Still cannot read. . .


"2 'cave drawing of Snuffaluffagus' ago"

NO IT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE.

I need sleep.

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Oh, so now everyone jumps on the "they might have been kids together" theory. I've only been going off on tangents about this for 2 months and getting shut down by those who think they know more because they've been around longer. :V

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Well, it is kind of odd, since the series' introduction implies that they met at film school.

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About two or three years ago, a film school friend of mine, Alex...

Bolded for emphasis. If they really were childhood friends, one would assume Jay would say that instead.

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Zarggg wrote:
Well, it is kind of odd, since the series' introduction implies that they met at film school.

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About two or three years ago, a film school friend of mine, Alex...

Bolded for emphasis. If they really were childhood friends, one would assume Jay would say that instead.


That was the point of what I've been saying for 2 months. None of them remember being kids together. Not even Tim.

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Don't be all "God moves in mysterious ways". They could have done plenty of things together and not remembered about it. Them growing up together is a plot point that the audience has constructed.

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jimi060 wrote:
Don't be all "God moves in mysterious ways". They could have done plenty of things together and not remembered about it. Them growing up together is a plot point that the audience has constructed.

Correct.

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jimi060 wrote:
Don't be all "God moves in mysterious ways". They could have done plenty of things together and not remembered about it. Them growing up together is a plot point that the audience has constructed.


I never said it was "God moves in mysterious ways" type thing. I have no idea where the hell you got that from other than straight out of your ass. I have always maintained that it is a theory.

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There's a difference between a theory and blind speculation. There's isn't anything in the videos to say that the whole Marble Hornets cast knows each other from childhood.

Even if they did, and had their memories wiped, you'd think connections like that would lead to awkward conversations with family, awkward encounters in schools, and so on, practically weekly. Furthermore, the evidence that does exist points to them all not knowing each other from childhood. Jay calls Alex a friend from film school and Tim states that he didn't know Alex until Brian introduced Tim to him.

From the medical documents, there's also an apparent age difference, with Tim being around 2-3 years younger than Alex. But to fit this theory, people have gone and speculated that Tim has been left back or something (but this is okay, because the "2 ___" could in fact be years), which is kind of twisting the story to suit the theories. Still, I find it hard to believe that the antisocial kid who possibly goes on year-long camping trips would have an easy time making friends. Then again, people say that Tim was antisocial in 1995, not necessarily 1991, which is also a fair point.

Nonetheless, I think the only reason the "they knew each other since childhood" theory exists is because of enttry #37. Which isn't exactly the clearest entry. And if you start taking what Totheark says too seriously, you might start to assume that Jay has had such terrible lungs that he too has had super bypass surgery and has had his lung replaced by steel and dog meat.

Them being friends as children is way too close to being Candle Cove-material for me to take it seriously. Furthermore, it wouldn't really affect the plot that much as far as a revelation go. It wouldn't really explain anything that was going on. People say it might explain The Operator's origins, such as its existence being created from their imaginations. But that's speculation about a plot point that doesn't even exist, and definitely has no evidence. Also, I don't really want to believe that The Operator and Jack Frost hang out on Saturday nights.

Even if they had been friends from childhood, they would still be in the same predicament they are now with no known way to stop what was going on. It would be kind of a cheap plot point to throw in some drama/ Shocked faces and to create some kind of half-explanation for TO's origins.

Sorry if this sounded harsh, I just want it to be clear why I dislike that "theory." It's fun to come up with random stories I guess. Razz

*Edited to make some concessions.

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To be completely honest, it just seems kinda far fetched to me. They all grow up together and then after having their memories wiped, they all coincidentally move to the exact same town, fairly far away from the town they grew up in, and then all happen to meet each other there. Also, I can't help but shake the feeling it's kind of a horror movie cliche.

Although, I do think it could have some merit when you consider enttry #37. Both Tim and Alex were stalked as a child. I know some people think it's doctored, but if it was what would even be the point of the video? I tend to go with what I think the narrative is trying to imply. Plus, the reason the Operator physically isn't there
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is because it's a real kid named Alex's birthday party, who their producer got footage of, and Troy edited together. Obviously the Operator wasn't physically going to be there on screen.
Plus, there's all the distortion and the dates changing rapidly and all that crap.

Also, I never bought the whole "Jessica was stalked as a child" thing. Ya, she had a dream where she was a child and someone was watching her, but there's no reason that should mean that it's a memory from her childhood. People can have dreams where they're children doing things they didn't do as children. I took it more symbolically, like "Slender Man is inside of her dreams, and it stalks children, so when she's being stalked in her dream she's a child." Plus, it ties back in with the whole "If Jessica was stalked by Slender Man as a child, isn't it hugely coincidental that someone else whose also stalked by Slender Man would happen to move in with her and her roommate." I mean, it seems to imply being stalked by Slender Man as a child is a common thing that happens to a large percentage of the population. I'd be more inclined to believe it started with Tim and maybe Alex, and then was passed on to everyone else in the series.

EDIT: Plus, it's not like Marble Hornets has the greatest level of continuity. I think in broad strokes the overall implication of the plot right now is that the Operator started on Tim, and that he spread it to everyone else. Then if you look at enttry #37 the overall implication of that one entry is that Alex was stalked as a child. Wouldn't that make it hard to reconcile minor plot points with the overall plot? Yes, that's kinda my point actually. You can try to force them together by saying that enttry #37 is doctored by totheark, and thus had absolutely no point, or that they knew each other as children and then forgot, but I don't think it would impact the plot very much either way.

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To all this stuff about coincidences, I will say that Marble Hornets does unfortunately rely on a certain amount of suspension of disbelief, which is a problem because of how attentive its audience is. Razz

And, about the dates, I always thought that they had to have some kind of randomness to them, because if whoever edited them together (Totheark presumably) had spliced those dates in, how does he/she know all of this? Since we seem to agree that Totheark is run at the very least by "someone(s)" of the original MH cast, they would have needed to do some hardcore research to find dates dating back to as far as (I think I remember an 1800s date) that were relevant to The Operator.

But again, Hoody can pull age-old medical documents out of nowhere, so who knows what Totheark is capable of.

Still, this is where more suspension of disbelief comes in. It's still somewhat implausible from a reasonable standpoint. Masky had ninja skills, so why not Hoody? Razz

It's likely that Tim and Alex grew up in at least approximately the same neighborhood, because of Tim's proximity to Rosswood Park and Alex's later visits. That much I can buy, and if someone told me that Tim and Alex could have some childhood connection, I would give a nod to that. Entry #37 implies some early connection to TO for Alex, and Tim's medical documents show Slendysymptoms. I just don't buy all these left-field theories about imagination and the perfect Operator-themed MH cast of a forgotten childhood crew.

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I'd be more inclined to believe it started with Tim and maybe Alex, and then was passed on to everyone else in the series.


This, if it's not specific to Tim/Alex.

I also interpreted the dream that Jessica had as a side-effect of proximity to The Operator. Proximity causes paranoia; this can certainly affect what you dream about. Residual effects from her assault?

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I have a feeling the next entry or three are going to either have a ton of revelations or are going to make Pravado very unlikeable.

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Blank_Zero wrote:
I have a feeling the next entry or three are going to either have a ton of revelations or are going to make Pravado very unlikeable.


Wait, is that actually a prediction about the next entry, or is it just a statement about Pravado?

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DHawk314 wrote:
Blank_Zero wrote:
I have a feeling the next entry or three are going to either have a ton of revelations or are going to make Pravado very unlikeable.


Wait, is that actually a prediction about the next entry, or is it just a statement about Pravado?


They are either going to have a ton of revelations, thus giving Pravado precisely what he has been asking for, or they are going to be mostly empty, fillerish entries, which Pravado has been complaining about, resulting in further complaining.
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