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EmeraldWind
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pravado wrote:
I just want an entry where Jay and whoever is on his team sits down and discusses the operator

like...

Jay: Ok, so we know it can rupture your lungs somewhat

Alex: Right, through a gas that it emits

Tim: I hate that gas. Feels like I'm breathing underwater at times.

Brian: We also know it can teleport

Tim: And that's what scares me the most. I dont' feel safe anywhere. You saw it in the hotel room, Jay. It can get to you anywhere.

(insert blooper where tim goes "I CAN'T EVEN TAKE SHITS COMFORTABLY ANYMORE")

Alex: Yeah, we need to find a solution to that. He can teleport himself, and us as well

Jay: We also know that he can hypnotize us if he has a hold of us

Brian: I survived one of those. Scariest thing I"ve ever been through. Staring into his faceless void pretending to be in a trance. No idea how I regained control


etc


That would actually be pretty awesome. Half because Jay never really describes how he feel sick. And hearing the characters discuss it would help get what is happening across better. (Actually, I think this entry was supposed to do that through Tim's record, but it doesn't really describe how the effects feel to Tim. It is just what doctors think he has.) Half because it would be cool to see the characters working together legitimately for once. Up to this point, anytime a group is form at least one person is doing things in secret and the other guy is mostly oblivious.

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DHawk314
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While I've considered the idea that Tim became Masky after Entry #15 and then got his memory wiped after Entry #33 so he's Tim again, I doubt it. First of all, he mentions waking up and not knowing why his leg was broken. His leg was basically healed by Entry #33, so he must have switched back to Tim sometime between 35 and 33. Plus, he mentions calling his job, and they hadn't heard from him in 3 weeks. So he must have maskied it up for 3 weeks and then Tim'd back. Plus, I don't find it likely he became Masky in the small distance between Entry #15 and 18. I find it more likely it manifested over a large period of time as an alternate personality. Obviously you can find some other explanation to explain it, but I think that's the explanation that works the best.

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Zebez
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Lithp wrote:
Zebez wrote:
...The right side of the brain is for feelings and artsyness while the left side is for language and logic.....


That's actually a myth. Compartmentalization in the brain is more about certain lobes than about one "side" or the other.

Incidentally, you don't use only 10% of your brain, shaving does not make your hair grow faster, swimming after eating does not cause a cramp, & all areas of the tongue can taste all flavors about equally.

I spend a lot of time on WebMD.

Edit: Double-posted, like a derp.


I'm going by what I learned in psychology classes in college. The broca's and wernicke's area which controls language is in the left hemisphere. So in a sense, yes you're right but those compartments are in the left hemisphere, predominantly. And the disconnect between the two sides of the brain has shown a disconnect between pictures and language.

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Lithp
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I'm going by what I learned in psychology classes in college. The broca's and wernicke's area which controls language is in the left hemisphere. So in a sense, yes you're right but those compartments are in the left hemisphere, predominantly. And the disconnect between the two sides of the brain has shown a disconnect between pictures and language.


The problem is with saying that the right brain "controls language." If your left broca/wernicks are highly active, for whatever reason, you probably aren't going to be significantly poorer at language than someone with the same areas active, but in the right hemisphere.

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I just want an entry where Jay and whoever is on his team sits down and discusses the operator


I kind of hope that a team-up of some kind happens close to the end.

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Jamocha101
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Lithp wrote:
I kind of hope that a team-up of some kind happens close to the end.


Kind of wanted Tim to form an alliance with Jay after going through some kind of epiphany, in which case he realizes the only way to get rid of this life-long nightmare is to be proactive and team up and synergize with the only acquaintance that may have even a remote lead on the source of both of their problems...doesn't look like that'll be happening in the foreseeable future, however. >.>
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FalloutGhoul
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Jamocha101 wrote:
Lithp wrote:
I kind of hope that a team-up of some kind happens close to the end.


Kind of wanted Tim to form an alliance with Jay after going through some kind of epiphany, in which case he realizes the only way to get rid of this life-long nightmare is to be proactive and team up and synergize with the only acquaintance that may have even a remote lead on the source of both of their problems...doesn't look like that'll be happening in the foreseeable future, however. >.>

Well, we'll just have to wait and see.

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Zebez
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Lithp wrote:
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I'm going by what I learned in psychology classes in college. The broca's and wernicke's area which controls language is in the left hemisphere. So in a sense, yes you're right but those compartments are in the left hemisphere, predominantly. And the disconnect between the two sides of the brain has shown a disconnect between pictures and language.


The problem is with saying that the right brain "controls language." If your left broca/wernicks are highly active, for whatever reason, you probably aren't going to be significantly poorer at language than someone with the same areas active, but in the right hemisphere.


I see what you mean, but more those areas are more common in the left hemisphere. Like 95%. It's a comment on how Masky seems not to be able to speak correctly or at all, and there might be a problem with that side of the brain. However, that would have to be a fantasy element, because Tim speaks fine, along with the split personality.

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SeantheStone
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We should all remember "Megadrunk" dealt with Troy's views on split personalities. Since Masky isn't a German woman, I think that theory isn't viable.

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Zebez
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SeantheStone wrote:
We should all remember "Megadrunk" dealt with Troy's views on split personalities. Since Masky isn't a German woman, I think that theory isn't viable.


wat

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SeantheStone
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Megadrunk was the accidental entry that got deleted after an hour back in season 2, I believe. Involved two box robots, one with the voice of a German woman, waxing philosophical.

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DHawk314
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It was made in XtraNormal, that thing with the computerized voices that was briefly popular. Troy meant to upload it to his channel. He didn't. This is it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIDjk1Wyj4s

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Zebez
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DHawk314 wrote:
It was made in XtraNormal, that thing with the computerized voices that was briefly popular. Troy meant to upload it to his channel. He didn't. This is it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIDjk1Wyj4s


hahahahaha awwww

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S.Reay051
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Hey guys!

OOG:
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Just recently found this ARG, and it's actually the first ARG I ever played, so please be patient with me. Actually, it's still strange for me to say "play" as we are mere bystanders and our posts have no influence on the story whatsoever (as Troseph stated in an interview).
I tried to catch up with you by reading all the theory/speculation summaries of each entry (TTO uploads included) in the wiki, but I couldn't possibly read all topics. So if I ever mention something as new which is not new at all, please kindly redirect me to the topic, and don't go all Tim on me. Wink


About the discussion about mental diseases and operations here, I think it is entirely possible that we can't apply the usual medical limits here.
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OOG: On the one side because Trosephim are no medical experts (as far as we know), and on the other hand because the definition of "supernatural" stories pretty much implies that you have to trespass/break the laws of science to some extend.

Actually, when I saw that clip of Zebez (great clip imo, I don't agree with it being boring) a lot of things fit so well to the story that it seemed somewhat possible that a combination of this and split personality could be behind Timasky. Don't get me wrong, I don't say it IS that way. Quite on the contrary, I guess it's not. But it's still to early to disregard it. So just for the record, let's assume this is indeed what's behind Timasky. The thoughts I had have mostly been mentioned bit by bit by other members by now, but just to sum up what fit's to the theory of Masky being the right side of the brain and Tim being the left side of the brain since then (if there was such a surgery):
- The left part of the brain (at least according to some scientists, including those in the clip) is usually doing most of the speaking. Fits to Masky (controlling the right side) usually only grunting, if saying anything at all. Even the "no" in entry 18 is not a clear no, might just be a grunt accidently sounding like a no.
- If Masky is/was one of the people involved in some totheark uploads, this would also explain why totheark sometimes seemed to be incapable of normal human language, but heavily relied on pictures and symbols.
- In the clip, the right hand does not know what the left hand does and the other way around, unless it's said. Masky knows a bit about Tim as he hears Tim speak. Tim however has no such input, hence isn't aware of Masky's actions at all.
- When Tim woke up after the surgery (now "owning" only the left part of his brain), he suddenly wasn't able to recognize faces anymore (according to this theory, which is not a proven fact). Every face always being new and unknown to him might indeed feel like constantly seeing people with no faces. (I'm sad this had been brought up before, I was so proud to get this idea Crying or Very sad ) And who was the source of this problem? How could a child call a person who performed an operation causing this? To a child, this person could be considered as an evil being causing things the child can't understand.
- Tim's incapacity to recognize faces goes well with not recognizing Jay in this season.

On a side note: What nobody mentioned so far (or have I missed it?) were the distortions in the clip from zeleb. Only convertion relics (right? right??? Wink), but the one at 0:13 was pretty strong and got me by surprise. That combined with being in MH mood made me jump more than MH itself has made me do in quite a while. Because in MH I already know when to expect something most of the time, but here... XD

But let me say again, I guess the theories above will not - or maybe only partially - turn out to be correct. I rather bet on the whole hospital focus being a partial red hering. Right now we have too many places pretending to be the center of it all and/or the source of it all. Mainly in and around Rosswood Park (for example the sacred/burned trees, the tunnel....) and the hospital. And the latter doesn't go well with many information and clips we got. For example enttry #37. Even if we assume Alex was not involved in this at that birthday yet, the flashing years make no sense if the Operator's origin lies in Tim's childhood. (Yes, TTA posts confusing things sometimes, but they usually always turn out to make some sense after all). Also, there would be no point in Alex's story about the woods.
So I rather think the hospital was/is just important for now, but will not have as much meaning as we might think. Wouldn't be the first time both the entries and totheark keep pointing to something which we then assume to be the center of it all, and it turns out they aren't that important after all. Remember a certain red tower, for example? Wink

Can't be sure about that though, either. I personally think we should - regardless of personal tendencies - don't be to fast in disregarding any of the options. Some seem more likely, some seem less likely, but I don't see any evidence that would allow us to actually drop one of them for sure.

And now let the flaming begin! Confused

Edited (several times): Some wording changes and errors removed, as English is not my mother tongue - Sorry.

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Starkley
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I read of all of that, and it's nice speculation, but until we know more about Tim I don't think we can say anything for sure.

Here's why I don't think surgery has anything to do with a "split personality," anyway.

-Tim's cough has nothing to do with any personality disorder. It's more likely Operator-caused, from both the medical records and consistency across the board (Alex coughs before his Operator-induced trance, Jay coughs plenty of times). It would be weird for one unusual occurrence - the Operator cough - to be completely unrelated to another unusual occurrence - Tim's alleged personality disorder.

-We know that this series messes with memories, and that something, if it's not The Operator itself, can wipe memories. Tim's complaints about not remembering breaking his leg and so on can easily be ascribed to this. I speculated somewhere else - either earlier in this thread (I should probably look up) or in another thread - about how Tim's behavior could have been consistent all through Entries #15 to #52 with a combination of mask-donning and mind-wiping.

-We know of at least one more character that does things while wearing a mask that are totally Operator-related. That character's behavior is consistent, and as far as we can tell - even if you don't think Hoody is Totheark, it's apparent from Hoody's Entry behavior that he still remembers everything at least from his first appearance - his memory is intact. Therefore, we know that just because Tim wears a mask and runs around, it doesn't mean he has a split personality.

-Jay does things that he doesn't remember too. Escapes, the end of #18, the seven month period, #19...from that perspective, he is in exactly the same situation as Tim, just not for as - apparently - an extended amount of time. Unless we're speculating that The Operator is called such because it is capable of Operating on people's brains so that one side is normal and the other side is Op-influenced (totes dibs on this theory, explains the blood that Alex wakes up with in an early entry - but I'm not serious Razz), you kind of have to assume that because Jay and Tim have similar symptoms, anything like split-personality disorder being used to explain Tim's odd behavior would apply to Jay as well. Which is ASTRONOMICAL, if it has nothing to do with The Operator, and instead is the result of an official (or even unofficial) medical procedure.

-It is VERY unlikely that Tim has anything to do with Totheark at this point in the season. The recent 60.5 photo was taken by someone other than Tim and Jay. The style of a curt message saying "WATCHING" is extremely in line with Totheark's behavior. Yet Tim didn't take the photo, so from that alone we can assume that Tim =/= Totheark right now, so split-personality can't explain Totheark's cryptic style, because Totheark is still cryptic.

-Tim goes to a medical clinic. THere are records of him having a surgery. Because of that, the mental clinic should have access to his medical records. They should know if he has a severed corpus colossum. If Tim reports strange occurrences like waking up with an inexplicable broken leg, they should be able to tell him that he has split-personality disorder if in this universe that is possible - otherwise that's a HUGE suspension of disbelief. It wouldn't be consistent. So Tim's disbelief in #59 would make no sense, when he brings up his broken leg, if this surgery caused his split-personality.

-Tim was doing crazy stuff apparently from the medical records since he was seven. It's unlikely that they performed such an operation on a child of seven or younger.

I forgot my other points. But yeah. Here.

EDIT OF JUSTICE: Welcome to the forum! Good first post, and I hope you liven it up around here. Razz

EDIT #2: Anyone else thinking it would have been downright lovely if at least one of the medical records had Tim's friggin' birth date on them?

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Thanks. Like I said, it doesn't seem to fit with quite a few things we know.
Though I don't see the age at the time of the surgery as a problem, if a child of that age had serious spasm problems caused like in the clip I could imagine it.* And memory loss could also be an effect of loosing "half of your brain", I guess. Concerning the coughing, somebody mentioned (I think in the Entry #60 thread) this could be from smoke when Tim tried to burn down the hospital. Could. How his feelings, fears and hatred got so strong that it created a personification that can let not just him, but even other people re-experience all of that is hard to say, but it's not impossible to come up with a reason - in theory.
OOG:
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There are horror stories which made very similar things, and some of them did it pretty well.

But like I said, I think all of this is unlikely. Just a thought I find interesting, although pretty unlikely. I prefer to think we're already pretty much done with the hospital.

*(However, in this case Tim probably shouldn't have to take those pills anymore... Shifty Eyes )

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