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Starkley
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That still makes no sense. The Operator can teleport or go anywhere. Entry #52 proves that, I think. He outright followed them to a completely new location.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:07 pm
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Drnothing1 wrote:
pravado wrote:
Drnothing1 wrote:
Lithp wrote:
If you have it all figured out, then by all means, explain. I'm not going to keep re-watching looking for some deeper meaning that very well might not exist.


Jay follows Alex
Alex leads him to the woods
Alex tells him the story
Oppy gets closer
Jay gets scared
Alex ges pissed
Sacrafice of Jay is ruined
Tells Jay to bring Jessica
Tries to kill both of them at once

Any questions?


Yeah i pointed this out al ong time ago

entry 40 is the attempted sacrifice of jay. jay goes in before alex gets there , gets scared and runs out, ruining everything. alex then gets pissed as a result

and the same day after he drops jay off, he meets up with slendy and sacrifices himself in jay's place?


It was 38, not 40
I'm not so sure he sacrafices himself instead, but rather make a 2 for 1 deal by sacraficing Jay and Jessica? This sure does look like an attempted sacrafice of Jay though. My only confusion is why didn't he just sacrafice Jay, but I'm thinking it's because the Opperator was in a specific location
that Alex was leading Jay to.



no, entry 40 was the first attempt. entry 38 comes way later on and at that point alex wants to kill jay, not just sacrifice him, because jay has evidence that he was the cause of brian's incapacitation. in 38 he leads jay into the woods and then remembers that jay asked for jessica's number so hea ssumes she's probably in on things. he tells her to bring her around the next day (52) so he can kill both of them and effectively end the search for clues that will lead to more evidence against him

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pravado wrote:
no, entry 40 was the first attempt. entry 38 comes way later on and at that point alex wants to kill jay, not just sacrifice him, because jay has evidence that he was the cause of brian's incapacitation. in 38 he leads jay into the woods and then remembers that jay asked for jessica's number so hea ssumes she's probably in on things. he tells her to bring her around the next day (52) so he can kill both of them and effectively end the search for clues that will lead to more evidence against him


Totally derped that up. Looked at 50 again and it said that the tape was stolen the day after 38/50. The whole "Jay knows too much" theory still would fit though since it's at the end of the 7 months.
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Drnothing1 wrote:
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"And that's terrible" is a meme, but you have adequately explained why I don't like it. Foreshadowing is good, but it is better when it fits smoothly into the plot.

The way it is now, I feel like the same effect could have been done with a creepy smile, or something.


How does this not fit smoothly into the plot? It's placed earlier in the missing 7 months tapes and furthers Alex's character while rvealing more about the Operator. And, if you put it in conjunction with Entry #50 it reinforces Alex's involvement with the Operator.


1. In-context vs. out-of-context, as I keep saying.

2. To the bold, it doesn't reveal more about The Operator, they came out & said that it wasn't the origin story. Which makes it...just a random spooky story, exactly like Jay said. That's sort of the cause of my entire analrage.

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The "scare Jay away" idea seems like the best explanation so far, but it still feels kind of weak.

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Lithp wrote:
2. To the bold, it doesn't reveal more about The Operator, they came out & said that it wasn't the origin story. Which makes it...just a random spooky story, exactly like Jay said. That's sort of the cause of my entire analrage.


It told us that the mythos of the Operator has been around for years and that Alex knows about the mythos.
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Drnothing1 wrote:
Lithp wrote:
2. To the bold, it doesn't reveal more about The Operator, they came out & said that it wasn't the origin story. Which makes it...just a random spooky story, exactly like Jay said. That's sort of the cause of my entire analrage.


It told us that the mythos of the Operator has been around for years and that Alex knows about the mythos.


No it didn't. We've never heard this story from anyone other than Alex. Jay never mentioned finding anything about local legends of a tall, faceless man. All in all, it's suggested that Alex just made it up.

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Starkley
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Drnothing1 wrote:
It told us that the mythos of the Operator has been around for years and that Alex knows about the mythos.


Based on Alex's word. Not reliable until it's corroborated in the series with actual evidence of what he was talking about, because we know that every character lies.

EDIT: Ninja'd. Sad

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The story doesn't have to do with the Operator. They've said OOG that it's just to foreshadow something about Alex's character. This seems like it should be a "Get out of theorizing free card," they've explicitly told us the point of the story. But hey, I can't stop you guys, and I don't really want to anyway, so whatever.

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Starkley
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Someone's phoning it in. :O

In any case, it would all get really complicated if Alex's story was true. "Slenderman haunted the woods because he was the vengeful soul of some dead perverts. Also he marked Alex for Slendyhaunting when he was a kid. Also he marked Tim for Slendyhaunting when he was a smaller kid. Also he demands sacrifices from the same seven people almost daily."

Just, too much. Trust nothing you don't actually see happen.

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Lithp wrote:
All in all, it's suggested that Alex just made it up.


Starkley wrote:
In any case, it would all get really complicated if Alex's story was true.


I don't think Alex's story is something he made up to make Jay think it was the Operator's origins. I don't think it being it's origins even occurred to Alex. I mean, it didn't occur to the writers for that matter, do why should it have?

Actually, Alex says in the entry that he heard the story when he first moved to Rosswood Park town. And that's probably true, the creepy part is that he's telling this story while leading Jay through the woods.

I think in order to understand the point of the entry, you have to think about our conception of Alex Kralie prior to the entry coming out. Remember, it was an unmarked tape so it allowed us to see how his character would develop in the future (Never mind that the whole seven months was in the past anyway.) Our conception of him when it came out was that he was more aggressive than Jay, but ultimately on the same side as him, and that he and Jay were gonna team up to fight the Operator despite their differences.

So seeing Alex tell this creepy story to Jay in the woods shows a contrast to this. It hints that our conception of Alex is incorrect, and that he's not really on Jay's side like he'd like us to believe. This probably would have been more effective if we didn't all think it was an origin story. Ultimately, the fact that it does hint at an origin was probably a genuine mistake on the writer's part.

And you can say that even if it makes sense in context OOG, it's completely out of context IG, but I disagree. Alex telling Jay a scary story about torture and death in the woods before he's going to murder Jay makes sense with Alex's character looking back at Season 2, or at least I think so.

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Someone's phoning it in. :O

Well if someone's phoning it in, then that begs the question: Who was phone?

I'm not sorry.

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I think it's out of character because you have here a story that can be told with nothing but pure malicious intent; it's a completely unnecessary story and he's inevitably going to frighten Jay. Especially cruel because he knows what they're up against and knows the kind of mental stress that The Operator can cause. And yet he tells the story calmly and methodically.

Then, in #52, no creepy story, but instead he just takes Jay and Jessica to a spot where he decides to kill them, and rather than showing that cool, disaffected, methodical demeanor with which he told the story, he goes into paranoid hysterics about all the shit that's been happening to him, getting incredibly self-righteous in the process.

Alex's attempted murder of Jessica and Jay isn't nearly as malicious and planned out as you might imagine from the way he tells the story. It comes off as much more fearful and desperate.

It's just two very different portraits of Alex. Within the span of 24 hours. Seems to me like something's up, yeah?

Cool points for editing that in. But you should feel dirty. Like noises coming from Jessica's hotel room dirty.

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Well, I don't expect Alex's insanity to be consistent. That's kinda the thing about insanity, it's...insane. But I understand what you mean. The recklessly furious Alex we get in Entry #52 is probably much more in character when you consider how Alex acts most of time when he's insane, take Entries 35 or 45 for example. Although, if you look at Alex in Entries like 51, 56, or 57 he does show his creepy malicious side too. Walking slowly through the hospital with that pipe looking for Tim. But anyway I get what you mean.

Starkley wrote:
Cool points for editing that in. But you should feel dirty. Like noises coming from Jessica's hotel room dirty.


Oh, I do. Although, I went over a few different ideas for my response to that, and that was far and away the best one. I can't even remember the other ones.

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That's kinda the thing about insanity, it's...insane.


And this is why I don't like the Insanity Card. Holywood Insanity is really unbelievable, because it just does whatever is the most dramatic at the time.

That said, I think it's possible that Alex's demeanor changed because Jessica was involved.

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My point is that there appears to be a defined difference between Alex doing things "for Slendy" and Alex doing things because he feels he's been attacked. #35, Tim attacked him, self defense. #45, attacked by TWO masked men, self-defense. #52, he THINKS Jay is out to get him or something, and again can justify it with self-defense, which IS his plea. In all of these, he's this frantic, desperate character whose only goal is to end whoever's torturing him. He wanted to kill Tim. He wanted to kill Tim and Hoody. He wanted to kill Jay and Jessica. He saw them all as threats.

In #51, #56, and $57, there's none of that. There's convenient assaults that cause The Operator to appear, and Alex at no point goes into any speech, nor does he show any hesitation, overt anger, or panic. He just stalks around and does the job. Tim and Brian show no sign of ill-will towards him; hell, they're helping him out.

And this is my other point. Alex doesn't have to lead anyone anywhere. The Operator has proven itself to be able to go anywhere. In those frantic entries, Alex isn't leading people to The Operator. Entry #35, Tim is already there waiting for them. Entry #45, Alex CAN'T be leading anyone anywhere, even if The Operator appears, because he's the one being led by the Masked Men, and THEN TO shows up. Entry #52, no sign of TO until AFTER Jay and Jessica are well the hell away from Alex. And again, Tim was ahead of them. In the frantic entries, there is no overt sign that Alex is working with TO.

Then, in #51, #56, and #57, he makes a big show of being deceptive, pretending he's filming, and then just striking. No anger, no hesitation. And TO is right there every time.

So, there's a large difference between Alex attacking the Masked Men, Jay, and Jessica, and Alex attacking Tim and Brian (possibly Seth but I doubt it). It's not just insanity. There's consistency between the two behaviors. The odd factor is obviously The Operator.

So I don't think Alex is foreshadowing what he's planning to do to Jay and Jessica. I think what was happening when Alex was taking Jay to "the spot" and what was going to happen in #52 are two different things. One was very Slendy influenced, the other was a panicked move that Alex decided on himself.

He looks more like a frantic victim than a thought-out killer.

TL;DR: Alex isn't insane. His two different attitudes are consistent, just disjointed. Blame it on the O-o-o-o-o-o-o-operator.

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This makes sense.

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