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A Bit Confused
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BigTotalHero
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A Bit Confused

I'm just now getting into Marble Hornets and I just need to ask something simple: What's the purpose of it, why does it go under Chaotic Fiction? Is it an ARG or just around for us who are intrigued to watch it?

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pravado
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Re: A Bit Confused

BigTotalHero wrote:
I'm just now getting into Marble Hornets and I just need to ask something simple: What's the purpose of it, why does it go under Chaotic Fiction? Is it an ARG or just around for us who are intrigued to watch it?


It's under chaotic fiction because it's chaotic fiction. Like any video series, it exists so that people will watch it.

Hope this answered all of your questions, I kind of struggled to find a few of the answers myself Laughing


(really though, it's not an arg despite what people say. we have no influence over anything. people call it an arg because of the twitter responses to questions we get occasionally)

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DHawk314
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It's entertainment via a format often used by people who make ARG, I.E. through internet sites presented as though it's real. But it's not an ARG because it's not a game. We don't play it, we just kinda watch. I don't know if there's a difference between Chaotic Fiction and ARG, but regardless the reason it's on this site is because people thought it was an ARG. It's not, but at this point this is the biggest section of the site, so I don't see them taking it off. Plus, there's some ARG aspects, like what Pravado said about Jay responding to our tweets on occasion, and the totheark videos which often have encoded messages.

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Flyleaf(IntoTheMist)Wolfi
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Its an ARM (alternate reality movie) according to Trosephim
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:27 pm
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Nimblewright
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Wikipedia wrote:
Sean Stacey, founder of the website Unfiction, has suggested that the best way to define [ARGs] was not to define it, and instead locate each game on three axes (ruleset, authorship and coherence) in a sphere of "chaotic fiction"


In this view Marble Hornets would be chaotic fiction, with almost all authorship lying with the architects (some of Jay's replies are influenced by the audience), a very orderly ruleset (meaning the "game" has been pretty much laid out for us) and a high degree of coherency (meaning there's a narrative).

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pravado
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i always just assumed chaotic fiction meant a made up horror story

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DHawk314
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Flyleaf(IntoTheMist)Wolfi wrote:
Its an ARM (alternate reality movie) according to Trosephim


Actually, your thinking of TV Tropes. Trosephim commented on that though, with "Like all movies?"

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t3hkender
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pravado wrote:
i always just assumed chaotic fiction meant a made up horror story


As I understand it, Chaotic Fiction and Alternate Reality Game are interchangeable. I think that the term Chaotic Fiction was created to make it sound more "serious", and to get away from the usual concept of a game as being something where the goal is to win. ARGs/Chaotic Fiction don't really have a "win/lose" dynamic the same way a game does.

"Chaotic Fiction" is described as chaotic not because of horror content but because it's a story that isn't fully controlled by the storyteller--others ("players") have an effect on the outcome.

I don't think that Marble Hornets is actually technically an ARG or Chaotic Fiction. There's (very) minor community interaction through Twitter, but that tends to be more on the lines of information, explaining things that may not have come across clearly or been omitted from the videos. Jay doesn't follow our advice or do anything we say, and for the most part seems oblivious to the vast majority of tweets he gets from us. Jay's going to do what Jay's going to do, and ultimately no input from the fanbase or "players" of Marble Hornets is going to influence him.

Frankly, in a very strict sense, Marble Hornets doesn't belong on Unfiction at all. The only argument for it is the puzzle content and community effort to figure out what the hell is going on, but that's pretty weak because it still doesn't make it an ARG.

Marble Hornets is a film, when you boil it down to its core. We're "playing" Marble Hornets only in the sense that we're trying to solve its puzzles and mysteries, not in the sense that we have any effect on the outcome or anything to gain from it. Ultimately, all we can do is watch.

Still, Marble Hornets does belong here (if you take a less strict approach) because despite it not really being an ARG, it still somehow manages to feel like one. We're all still compelled to solve these mysteries and speculate on what's happening as if we have some personal stake in it (the way you do with a game) even though we're not actually a part of the story.

It's very interesting to think about.
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My definition in this case:

Chaotic Fiction - there is a set narrative that might be influenced by the audience, but author(s) have a set plan and the story is there and audience watches.

Alternate Reality Game - there is a planned narrative with the audience participation required to push the story forward; through character interaction, puzzle solving, collective interaction/cooperation, etc. The audience is needed to open up the subsequent chapters.

In both cases the story is fiction, but the characters think they are real and what is happening is real. To the characters this is not a game. To the audience it is not real (but we have to treat it as real so the characters continue their interaction with us).
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:46 am
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ZargggModerator
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And to go back to the original question of "why does it go under Chaotic Fiction," as I understand it:

When Marble Hornets (and its sister blogs/vlogs/stories) started appearing on the Internet, the belief was that it was a true ARG, like many of the other projects seen on this site. However, as time went on, it turned out to be more of a fictional series than a game, with the exception of the TTA videos. The creators have admitted those videos contain puzzles to solve, even though they are not vital to the plot of the main series.

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