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Jamocha101
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Starkley wrote:
Jamocha101 wrote:

I mean, this is Marble Hornets. Everything is contrived. Totherak videos never advance the plot, never make sense; all they do, and all they are meant for, is to hint at the slightest of plot-points so we can over analyze them. .


This isn't necessarily true. "Version" told Jay to go to the Red Tower. "Signal" told Jay to go to "Brian's house." "Reference" confirmed that Jay needed to go to the tunnels. "Remember" confirmed that Totheark is currently the only character whose memory is definitely intact. "Warning" told us that someone was coming after Jay (and then his house soon burned down). A dozen of them have established Totheark's character upon two important tenets: He likes water, and he's WATCHING. Which has become very relevant recently.

There ARE very clear things in Totheark videos.

Also, most plot twists are foreshadowed. We knew something bad was going on with Alex beforehand. We pretty much knew who Masky was long before #35. MH isn't that cryptic, really. Which I find to be a good thing. Very Happy


He relayed those messages to Jay, yeah. When he wants to be clear, he wants to be clear. To the receiver of the message.

To us, though, we're just his guinea pigs that oink around, trying to translate his perverse messages. Ergo, I refer to my previous reasoning.

DHawk314 wrote:
Therefore, since it is blantantly shown that TTA is stalking Tim, it's pretty much confirmed that Tim is not TTA or part of it.


Totheark may be stalking Tim now, but was he back in season one and two? Might it be that Tim was previously a part of Totheark and somehow (albeit, perhaps unintentionally) relinquished his membership?

It is these things that we have reason to question.
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 		I didn't say that.
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DHawk314 wrote:
I didn't say that.


Maybe you were a proxy when you said it and twistedpuppet is your alternate personality.

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 		Oh God you're right! That's why he's called twistedpuppet! He's a proxy! I'm a proxy! AHHHHH!

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Or maybe it was just a coding error. In which case...AHHHHH!

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 		I don't remember the Totheark videos being that relevant. Guess I'll have to marathon them, & see if anything makes more sense in hindsight.

I think most things will probably come back up again. They're pretty stickler for continuity. I wouldn't give a shit about things like a Spongebob T-shirt or wearing a different shirt.

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Starkley
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Jamocha101 wrote:

Might it be that Tim was previously a part of Totheark and somehow (albeit, perhaps unintentionally) relinquished his membership?

It is these things that we have reason to question.


No offense, but isn't this the whole premise of the "Totheark was composed of Tim and Masky until a breaking point" theory?

Jamocha101 wrote:
Totheark may be stalking Tim now, but was he back in season one and two?


There's no real evidence for this. There's evidence that Totheark has the goods on Tim ("Messages"), but nothing saying that he's stalking Tim. And I doubt that we'll ever get an answer unless Totheark admits to as much, or Tim tells us someone has stalked him in the past. (EDIT: Besides the obvious culprit...)

Pravado wrote:
also we still have no confirmation that hoody and totheark are working together.

there's also nothing proving that totheark is more than one person (jay's tweets are guesses and jay isn't always right, seen by some season 1 stuff), or that he's affilliated with anyone. i still think that seth is totheark, and brian is hoody.


I'm not sure how to approach this. I think Totheark is one person, but I also think Totheark and Hoody are one and the same because I see no evidence that there needs to be more than one person besides Totheark.

Totheark uses footage from places we know Hoody has been. "Intermission," "Forecast," (ESPECIALLY FORECAST), and possibly "Reference," are examples of these. Because TTA has that footage, and no longer speaks in the plural subjective (he's been saying "I" for a while now), we can say with pretty reasonable confidence that Totheark has been getting the footage himself. Therefore, it's one person. Because Hoody is the only person who we know of that's definitely been in those areas spying on people, we do have evidence to say that Hoody is affiliated with the Totheark channel.

Also, it's inarguable that Totheark focuses on water imagery ("Deluge," "Impurity," "Broadcast," etc). In #41, Hoody takes time to specifically do the same thing when he focuses in on the stream as he's bringing Jay's camera back. Either you have two separate, unrelated characters focusing on water imagery (unlikely), or those two characters are connected (likely), or those two characters are actually the same character (my view). But certainly, there's little chance of no connection.

We know from that that Hoody is following people around. Hoody was seen in #58 leading Jay to the maintenance tunnel, and the "WATCHING" photo found there is strongly reminiscent of Totheark's "SEE YOU"/"ALWAYS WATCHING" videos. Again, you can say that it's unrelated, but either Hoody knew Totheark had stuff there and it was a happy coincidence that things worked Totheark's way (unlikely), or Hoody is working FOR Totheark (possible), or Hoody IS Totheark (my view).

Additionally, we know Hoody is affiliated with Tim from #45, at least as Masky. Tim appears to have a Season 1 connection to Totheark, therefore, that could extend to Hoody. Because Hoody has worked with Timasky, he's the only character with a vested interest in Jay's investigating Tim, besides Jay himself. Totheark wants Jay to investigate Tim. More connections.

Finally, Totheark never uses footage of Hoody himself. If there's another masked dude running around, don't you think Totheark, if he isn't Hoody, would want to point that guy out to Jay, the same way he used footage of Masky? Totheark has used footage of EVERYONE else (Seth is the odd one out, if you want to go with Totheark = Seth, but then I say Totheark = Hoody = Seth at the same time - also, not counting Sarah, Jessica, or Amy for obvious reasons).

Really, there's no proof in this season specifically that Totheark is run by someone separate from Hoody. There's no evidence of a third person besides Tim and Hoody that I can think of; if you want to show me, go ahead. But the way I see things, having a third person involved in this just complicates things unnecessarily. Two - just Tim and Hoody, and now just Hoody - explains everything well enough.

But anyway, yes, there is TONS of evidence to connect Hoody and Totheark.
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 		Actually, there's a silhouette of Hoody in "Sidenote", and I'm pretty sure that's him in "Classified".
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DHawk314 wrote:
Actually, there's a silhouette of Hoody in "Sidenote", and I'm pretty sure that's him in "Classified".


I've watched those videos a bunch of times and I never really recognized that, especially classified. Still, those videos are used as though they're the voice of communication (I always saw "Sidenote" as Totheark telling Jay that he's a fuckup and "Classified" as TTA relaying more info to Jay.)
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 		Ya, I'll admit Classified looks pretty vague, but for some reason I always thought it was Hoody. Also, Classified decodes to "Do you know what he did" which probably is talking about Alex.
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DHawk314 wrote:
Ya, I'll admit Classified looks pretty vague, but for some reason I always thought it was Hoody. Also, Classified decodes to "Do you know what he did" which probably is talking about Alex.


Hoody in Classified is posed the same way he was in #45, and if you turn the contrast way up, you can make out alex's face from when he was laying down.

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DHawk314 wrote:
Oh God you're right! That's why he's called twistedpuppet! He's a proxy! I'm a proxy! AHHHHH!

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Or maybe it was just a coding error. In which case...AHHHHH!



I'm a what?

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Zebez
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twistedpuppet wrote:
DHawk314 wrote:
Oh God you're right! That's why he's called twistedpuppet! He's a proxy! I'm a proxy! AHHHHH!

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Or maybe it was just a coding error. In which case...AHHHHH!



I'm a what?


You're Dhawk's alternate personality, or he's your alternate personality. Whichever.

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 		Obviously he's the alternate personality controlled by Slender Man, not me. Why else would he be called twistedpuppet?

Somehow I feel like we're getting off-topic. I have a theory:

Maybe totheark switched Tim's pills with some other special totheark pills that put Tim into some kind of trance so that totheark can control him. And, maybe totheark been doing this since the beginning and that's what Masky is. So now he's triggered Masky again. And Masky drugged Jay the same way the night of Entry #19 using the pills Jay took from Brian's house. And, maybe totheark somehow drugged Jay during the Tweetopocalypse and has done it again now? But then what does waitingon you mean if he has them both now? Eh whatever it's just a theory I doubt it's true.
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 		instead of "special ToTheArk pills" he could have just switched them with placebos and the original pills were what prevented masky.
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instead of "special ToTheArk pills" he could have just switched them with placebos and the original pills were what prevented masky.


Oh God, that makes so much more sense. Okay, I'm going with that.
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