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censura_umbra
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Roo wrote:
I've been lurking on this thread for a month or two, and have been keeping up with the MH series since December. I finally decided to join about an hour ago.

Firstly, I must say that Tim and whoever played as ToTheArk were both amazing in this video. I'm sure we'll get the next entry next week or whenever they finish filming it.

Speculation : Tim has DID and went into his demented, masked guy (I don't like using the nicknames of Hoody / Masky and am waiting for them to give us the official names.) personality. The hooded fellow is obviously ToTheArk. I feel that Seth is ToTheArk (judging by his obvious filming experience) and works alone, and I think either the next entry or the one after that will be the climax of the series, unless something happens in the next entry(ies) that will cause the need for more.

I think that's all I have to say, for now.


Good theory about Seth and TTA, but there is a Who is TTA thread. And also, food for thought: Brian was friends with Tim before MH. Meaning he could have been around Tim/Slendy for a while. Also, it would explain why TTA is so connected to Tim (helping him and stuff)

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saksxalmo wrote:
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but Tim's actions make little sense

Tim is already a paranoid person. Knowing that he has secretly been filmed for months doesn't help that. He feels that Jay brought TO back into his life. And Jay revealed a bunch of Tim's secrets to the world (even before entry #60.5). As someone else said, people who marathon MH often feel extremely paranoid, sometimes thinking they see TO everywhere. Now imagine you marathoned MH and found out you were one of the characters. And we don't know that he watched all the entries or which ones he watched (there was a theory that he only saw the more recent ones because of how Youtube is organized, so he might not have gotten to entry #18.) Tim's actions are totally understandable to me...

pravado wrote:
And I personally don't "get" totheark at this point. I like the videos, but his actions don't make sense. Why tease and creep out jay and watch him for hours on end if you don't truely want his help. And if you do, why be so cryptic?

Meh, this is a little annoying to me as well, but I expect that Trosephim will give a reason for it before the series is over. If they don't... well, I'll have to reconsider buying the DVDs. Twisted Evil

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But why does Jay still think Tim can help him if he knows that Tim can't even help himself?

Like Jay said in #59, he doesn't know what Tim remembers or is lying about not remembering. Tim is one of his only leads at this point. Tim (as Masky) was the one in Jessica's room when she disappeared. Tim (as Masky) has probably unknowingly been working with Hoody, who seems to know a lot about Alex and TO. Since Jay doesn't have any way to investigate Alex, TO, or Hoody, the first logical step is to learn more about Tim (and therefore Masky.)
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I also think Jay is just really lonely at this point and saw Tim as a potential friend because of their... er... shared traumas. Sad


pravado wrote:

Everyone has to understand that while we hate the pacing now, when it's all out we might think differently because we will have the whole story. Doesn't mean we can't be annoyed at the wait now though.


Totally agree. I started watching MH around the time #45 or #46 came out, and I can't imagine waiting weeks for Jay to post an entry about lying to Jessica about hotel documentaries... lol... It was fine watching it all at once, though.


Hopefully this isn't a huge quote pyramid.


Tim is paranoid, sure, but he admitted to watching MH. He can't accuse Jay of bringing the operator back into his life. Jay was left with no clues, and then someone tells jay to go to that house where he finds tim. Jay didn't say "hey tim, come to this house and maybe the operator will be here," tim was already there. Even in 23, tim was there before jay got there, and jay didn't say anything to tim. So there's no reason for that accusal. Even if he wants to accuse jay of filming him and posting the shit online, he is the one that broke into jay's room and made jay suspicious of him. He deff got past entry 18 because he mentioned Jessica.

Tim might be lying, but the latest totheark shows Tim crying into his hands showing that he's extremely upset. He has no control over his life and he knows it.

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pravado wrote:
saksxalmo wrote:
pravado wrote:

but Tim's actions make little sense

Tim is already a paranoid person. Knowing that he has secretly been filmed for months doesn't help that. He feels that Jay brought TO back into his life. And Jay revealed a bunch of Tim's secrets to the world (even before entry #60.5). As someone else said, people who marathon MH often feel extremely paranoid, sometimes thinking they see TO everywhere. Now imagine you marathoned MH and found out you were one of the characters. And we don't know that he watched all the entries or which ones he watched (there was a theory that he only saw the more recent ones because of how Youtube is organized, so he might not have gotten to entry #18.) Tim's actions are totally understandable to me...

pravado wrote:
And I personally don't "get" totheark at this point. I like the videos, but his actions don't make sense. Why tease and creep out jay and watch him for hours on end if you don't truely want his help. And if you do, why be so cryptic?

Meh, this is a little annoying to me as well, but I expect that Trosephim will give a reason for it before the series is over. If they don't... well, I'll have to reconsider buying the DVDs. Twisted Evil

pravado wrote:
But why does Jay still think Tim can help him if he knows that Tim can't even help himself?

Like Jay said in #59, he doesn't know what Tim remembers or is lying about not remembering. Tim is one of his only leads at this point. Tim (as Masky) was the one in Jessica's room when she disappeared. Tim (as Masky) has probably unknowingly been working with Hoody, who seems to know a lot about Alex and TO. Since Jay doesn't have any way to investigate Alex, TO, or Hoody, the first logical step is to learn more about Tim (and therefore Masky.)
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I also think Jay is just really lonely at this point and saw Tim as a potential friend because of their... er... shared traumas. Sad


pravado wrote:

Everyone has to understand that while we hate the pacing now, when it's all out we might think differently because we will have the whole story. Doesn't mean we can't be annoyed at the wait now though.


Totally agree. I started watching MH around the time #45 or #46 came out, and I can't imagine waiting weeks for Jay to post an entry about lying to Jessica about hotel documentaries... lol... It was fine watching it all at once, though.


Hopefully this isn't a huge quote pyramid.


Tim is paranoid, sure, but he admitted to watching MH. He can't accuse Jay of bringing the operator back into his life. Jay was left with no clues, and then someone tells jay to go to that house where he finds tim. Jay didn't say "hey tim, come to this house and maybe the operator will be here," tim was already there. Even in 23, tim was there before jay got there, and jay didn't say anything to tim. So there's no reason for that accusal. Even if he wants to accuse jay of filming him and posting the shit online, he is the one that broke into jay's room and made jay suspicious of him. He deff got past entry 18 because he mentioned Jessica.

Tim might be lying, but the latest totheark shows Tim crying into his hands showing that he's extremely upset. He has no control over his life and he knows it.

Tim may have gotten past Entry #18, but that still doesn't mean he saw all the Entries.
And also, Jessica wasn't even mentioned in Entry #18. The earliest we saw her was Entry #27.
(Actually, she was chronologically around since Entry after Jay and Alex started "searching for Amy.")
...and I realise that I am now rambling.

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 		What I'm saying is that Tim knew about Jessica (who is jessica anyway, some girl you met in a hotel), so he saw up to at least entry 28, but it's unlikely that if he watched that far that he would stop

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pravado wrote:
What I'm saying is that Tim knew about Jessica (who is jessica anyway, some girl you met in a hotel), so he saw up to at least entry 28, but it's unlikely that if he watched that far that he would stop


He had to have gotten way past 28 (at least to #52) as he berates Jay about filming Alex with a gun something to the effect of: Someone points a gun at you and your first reaction is to just film it?

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pravado wrote:
What I'm saying is that Tim knew about Jessica (who is jessica anyway, some girl you met in a hotel), so he saw up to at least entry 28, but it's unlikely that if he watched that far that he would stop


A lot of people speculated that he watched them backwards, being that he searched up MH and clicked the first video that was shown, which was most likely the latest one.

It doesn't matter too much, though.

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pravado wrote:

Hopefully this isn't a huge quote pyramid.


Tim is paranoid, sure, but he admitted to watching MH. He can't accuse Jay of bringing the operator back into his life. Jay was left with no clues, and then someone tells jay to go to that house where he finds tim. Jay didn't say "hey tim, come to this house and maybe the operator will be here," tim was already there. Even in 23, tim was there before jay got there, and jay didn't say anything to tim. So there's no reason for that accusal. Even if he wants to accuse jay of filming him and posting the shit online, he is the one that broke into jay's room and made jay suspicious of him. He deff got past entry 18 because he mentioned Jessica.

Tim might be lying, but the latest totheark shows Tim crying into his hands showing that he's extremely upset. He has no control over his life and he knows it.


I think you misunderstood me. I was saying that it's possible that Tim watched the videos as they appeared on the MH channel, which is in reverse chronological order. So he would know about Jessica, but not necessarily about earlier entries like #18 or #23 (not my theory.) And if he DID watch entry #18 and #23, then I think we can assume he watched entries #15 (where Jay interviewed him, possibly bringing back old memories and definitely bringing MH back into his life, and possibly triggering entry #18's Masky state) and entry #35, which he might have misunderstood/misconstrued as Jay helping Alex hurt him (which can happen when emotions are high, especially in a person with a history of mental illness like Tim.) And I really think paranoia is an important factor in a series that is so, well, paranoia-driven...

Tim might not have control over his life, but from Jay's perspective, he can't be sure what Tim knows or what leads/information Tim can offer.
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tim what do you mean you don't remember anything? tim you said you’d never forget me.
tim im giving jay all your personal medical info because you're a fucking liar.
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SHODAN wrote:
saksxalmo wrote:
pravado wrote:
censura_umbra wrote:
dawgpwnd wrote:
At this point, there is no "excuse" that Jay could come up with to justify such a huge delay. They had a really good chance to capitalize on a perfect setup, and blew it by pushing off 62 so long. Ruins the experience for the viewer... I highly doubt Jay was captured by TO and that would be pretty lame if he was.


What if Alex attacked him and he is in a mini coma? what if he is tied up in Alex's basement?


Then imo they would have ruined the hype. That scenario just doesn't seem like something that would be really cool or give us any new information


TBH, I don't follow your logic here at all...


Pretty simple, that kind of TribeTwelve plot element just doesn't make sense here. Jay has never been 'missing', just not uploading entries with a plausible story as to why during breaks.

Given the reasons that the video wasn't able to be uploaded right away, it's not their fault strictly speaking, but it's unfortunate there wasn't something posted after the tweet.

I was actually thinking that it'd be cool to have a livestream from J, but as above, it just doesn't make sense. You can't just totally shift the series without some sort of touchstone in-between.


I don't think it would be a shift in the series... Maybe I'm too confident in Trosephim's writing abilities, but it seems like something they'd be able to pull off (seriously doubt they're going to do it, though... Although I wouldn't be surprised if Alex showed up or Jay got attacked.)

I also don't think it would be totally out of the blue, either (unlike a lot of TT stuff.) I mean, Alex's character has kind of been built up as a psychopath. Jay basically broadcasted his and Tim's location to the world (despite his attempt to hide it, lol.) Alex has reasons to want to harm them, etc. It could happen.

A livestream would be different because it would be making MH into an actual ARG, and that really WOULD be a shift in the series. I just hope Trosephim doesn't just have Jay black out again, because that would be disappointing. I think they're good enough writers to pull off whatever excuse they think of, though.

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I will never understand how TT became so popular. The writing and acting are terrible...

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tim what do you mean you don't remember anything? tim you said you’d never forget me.
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One word. Effects.


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I don't really think the effects of Tribe Twelve are all that impressive either. The tentacles look fat, useless, & overall like they don't belong.


Wasn't there a whole 7 months where Jay just disappeared with no in-context explanation?

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 		Um sir. That would be the missing seven months which took place between Entry 34 and 52.
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 		I think he means that there are 7 months where he just stopped bothering to upload entries. All this stuff went down while Jay was fully functioning and he chose not to post about it for 7 months. Then after his memory wipe, he goes through everything and posts things.

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Zebez wrote:
I think he means that there are 7 months where he just stopped bothering to upload entries. All this stuff went down while Jay was fully functioning and he chose not to post about it for 7 months. Then after his memory wipe, he goes through everything and posts things.


But that had an explanation (Alex told Jay to lay low or something and he took it a little TOO seriously.)

Also, I wasn't watching MH at the time entry #26 came out, but didn't you guys get a warning or something that there would be a break?

EDIT: Yep.

Jay wrote:
Alex is still alive and I'm going to find him.

I don't know the next time you'll see me after this.

I thank you for the help.


That's very different from "I'm going to go find Tim RIGHT NOW."

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Although I get that they had to delay it for OOG reasons, I'm just curious about what excuse they're going to use IG...

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tim what do you mean you don't remember anything? tim you said you’d never forget me.
tim im giving jay all your personal medical info because you're a fucking liar.
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 		Why would Tim watch the videos backwards, that makes absolutely no sense

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pravado wrote:
Why would Tim watch the videos backwards, that makes absolutely no sense


It makes perfect sense if you look at how youtube organizes the videos on the channel's page. The newest stuff always comes up first. So yeah, it's perfectly plausible that Tim watched the videos in reverse order. Hell, the playlist goes in reverse order.

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