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Spakken
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DHawk314 wrote:
Also you guys, after actually rewatching the DVD extra where they talk about this just now, I have to clear up a misconception:

Troy did NOT play Hoody in Entry #45. The actual person who Hoody is supposed to be played Hoody in Entry #45. Troy played Hoody when they rehearsed Entry #45. This is what that DVD extra actually said. And Tim didn't play Hoody in Entry #41, someone just assumed that because Troy said on his blog "Oh, I had Tim help me re-film the important part of Entry #41, because Joseph is busy and I need people to film with me so no one thinks I'm a crazy person." I'm paraphrasing but that's what he said. And then we all assumed Hoody was Alex since Joseph originally helped him film, and Troy had to make a blog post about how we use OOG info too much in our theories and how we should stop. Also, Joseph didn't play Hoody in Entry #58, someone on the forum literally just made that up. So ya, everyone needs to stop saying this stuff.


I'd like to point out that I wasn't using OOG info to pin down who hoody might be. I had no idea that body type was supposed to be disregarded, because I only go off the youtube stuff. I want to experience the story without the extra clues from the makers. Still, even who might have played hoody could have little to do with who hoody actually is. That was part of my point. Unlike Masky, who gave us visual cues as to who he is, the most we have to go off of is pretty much height, and even that's shakey at best because most of what we see from hoody is shot from hoody holding the camera. His outfit is bulky enough that it could be anyone, and the multiple person theory is just one that I threw out there because I hadn't seen it yet and thought it would be an interesting theory.

I'm a literature major, and I'm trying to interpret this piece only through what I'm seeing presented within it, so getting upset enough to bold all this is pretty disparaging. Saksxalmo was just trying to poke holes in the theory, which is appreciated, since that's what you're supposed to do with theories, to help see how far they can take you. I'm still planning on doing the hoody character study, because I think it will give us some valuable clues, and it'll be fun to do (I'll have to figure out whether to post them on the latest entry by the time I'm done, or give them their own full topic, or find a good hoody topic already in progress), but I think Saksxalmo is right in the problem of the costume and the synchronicity. The only way to plug that hole is with a weirder theory that the shared delusion is psuedo-alive and jumps from person to person (so there'd be one motive but it wouldn't really synch up to anyone's specific personality as we've seen presented). I'd have to concentrate most on Jessica and Brian's personalities as they've been presented to us, because they've got the most background out of all the characters save for the three main characters, all of which have encountered hoody in ways that would rule them out if hoody was just one person.

Still, thanks for the list, Saksxalmo. I knew there was at least one prominant person I was forgetting to include, and thanks for the counterarguments. They give me food for thought. The only bit of info that soured me a bit was that apparently one of the actors who have played hoody (multiple or not) is the same actor who plays the character hoody's going to turn out to be. (out of that list of who we are sure played hoody, it'd have to be Alex, then, which still doesn't make cohesive sense) So I'm going to ignore any info as to who might have played hoody to keep my findings completely within the game and see where that gets us.

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Spakken
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glasgowgrin wrote:
Maybe Tim betrayed TTA somehow? Maybe tried to leave. If that is the case, maybe hes lying about not remember Jay or anything about masky... idk these are just some thought that went through my head when I saw this entry...

I'm honestly starting to think Tim may have a Split personality disorder.
Or Hoody is just trying to make things harder for Jay.


I'm completely certain that Tim has DID (Disassociative Identity Disorder/Split personality). I have friends who have DID, though and none of them ever had it coupled with seizures, but it might just be the slendysickness, or the game's misconceptions of the actual disorder, or perhaps some people do have seizures when they transition. Either way all of the other symptoms are there, and the Masky alter has driven for some pretty extensive periods of time.

Most DID cases are caused by unrelenting portions of fear during formative years in a person's identity and are often, but not always, sexually related. The prescriptions in Entry 60.5 are weird, though, because they're often treated with mood stablizers (some extreme cases are treated with antipsychotics), not pain killers and antibiotics. I'm more willing to chalk that up to an OOG spoof than a deliberate thing, but if it IS in game, then his psychiatrist was clearly incompetent or didn't actually seek his improvement.

It is also not uncommon to have more than one alter, obviously, but I'm not sure if I've seen signs of any other alters beyond Masky. Tim may, however, have other alters that answer to Tim (rare as that can be, it's not outside the realm of possibility).

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 		Call me crazy, but Hoody's shoes look like Brian's from. #51.

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 		Too many years for a pair of shoes ... I think...

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elkapo wrote:
Too many years for a pair of shoes ... I think...


Plus, the frame is intentionally unfocused so you can't identify the shoes. So there's no real way to tell whose shoes they are.

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 		I really hope Tim doesn't turn out to have DID (or if he does, I hope they never actually explain it/explicitly state it). It's so cliché for series like this. And besides, I would still argue that we haven't seen any evidence that Masky IS a personality. He doesn't say much, doesn't have a name (WE named him Masky), and seems to be easily manipulated. The closest thing we've seen to him independently having a goal is going to Rosswood after Tim's seizure (if you assume that's Masky, which I do), and that could just be an automatic thing. I like to think of Masky as a state of mind, a trance (like an exaggerated version of Jay's in entries #18 and #24), or a dissociative fugue. Maybe even a slenderified version of PTSD. Not another personality.

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I should probably mention that I'm not anything near a psychologist, so forgive me if I get things wrong. : P

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Spakken wrote:
-snip-


Sorry if I was a little harsh. I'm really enthusiastic about this series and theories and such. Razz

It's cool that you're doing a Hoody character study. It (and this forum in general) kind of reminds me of House of Leaves.

And no, Hoody's shoes in this entry don't look like Brian's in #51.
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 		No update? Shocking. It's almost like someone had predicted that there wouldn't be an immediate update, and that Troseph would just release the next entry on the normal 1-2 week time table. . .

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Spakken
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saksxalmo wrote:


Sorry if I was a little harsh.


You were just a tad harsh, but I'm an academic. I have thick skin when it comes to this stuff. The point is to have fun with the material, and if you end up discovering something good enough to share, share it and watch the conversation unfold. I've had much more scathing remarks thrown at my character studies of the evolution of Merlin throughout time. You're just trying to help figure out stuff, and I was being sincere in thanking you.

What I didn't appreciate was the whole bold yelling bit, because I thought that was somebody trying to just say, "don't have fun with the material the way you're going to have fun with it!" You never said, "don't do the character study." You just pointed out where the theory has flaws. That's just conversation, not argument. That's what chaotic fiction and ARGs are about on a forum level.

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glasgowgrin
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Spakken wrote:


I'm completely certain that Tim has DID (Disassociative Identity Disorder/Split personality). I have friends who have DID, though and none of them ever had it coupled with seizures, but it might just be the slendysickness, or the game's misconceptions of the actual disorder, or perhaps some people do have seizures when they transition. Either way all of the other symptoms are there, and the Masky alter has driven for some pretty extensive periods of time.


Which is also something that I thought of. Maybe the seizure is like a tick. Or, seeing as how he's every vulnerable, a way that the Operator can get to tim.

Masky alter may just have complete control for a limited amount of time.

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I should probably mention that I'm not anything near a psychologist, so forgive me if I get things wrong. : P


Don't feel too bad, they don't even agree on whether or not it's real.

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Spakken wrote:
What I didn't appreciate was the whole bold yelling bit, because I thought that was somebody trying to just say, "don't have fun with the material the way you're going to have fun with it!"


I'm just gonna be totally honest here, so get ready. I wasn't talking to you. My post didn't disprove your theory, and that is because I wasn't responding to it.

It's a misconception on the whole forum that I was referring to. I'd recently re-watched the material everyone was using to cite the misconception, and realized it was wrong, so I posted it here because other people were sort of talking about it in this thread. I wasn't yelling, nor was I talking to you, ergo, I was not yelling at you, and I'm sorry that you thought I was.

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 		It's a tree....it's a post....no! It's SLENDERMAN!
Tim's transformation
I tend to think of this entry as our chance to view Tim's transformation from Tim W. (Wright?) to Masky. It's forced, of course, but it's the equivalent of Clark Kent dashing into a phone booth and coming out as Superman, or Dr. Jekyll drinking his potion and painfully transmogrifying into Mr Hyde (a better analogy). And as a capper, Masky grabs his jacket (possibly with the mask also hanging behind it) to complete his transformation with his Super Villain Outfit.

So now he's been forced into service again and is out to commit dastardly deeds for das Operateur.

About that text, I kept reading it as H0T D0G. Have you ever sausage a thing in your life?

Also, it does seem that Tim has not dropped his interest in the series on YouTube. He does seem to be torn with distress. Now this might mean he's feeling lots of guilt over how he has behaved, and/or fear about what he might now be forced to do...in a lucid moment right between his Timdom and his Maskiness. And also he has bad memories that may well still terrify him, probably involving some fire and a hospital.
My guess here is that he did go back and watch the rest of the series (we were saying here before that before the argument with Jay he had but a spotty introduction to this series--he might not have seen the bit where he is unmasked, arguably, or he may just have been in denial...he was very upset and may not have dared to start talking about that point, for fear of losing it entirely when he wanted to stay mad rather than sad.
Now we can probably assume that by now he's watched the entire series and maybe read some forums about the game as well. (well, probably not in -story). He might even be fearing being forced back to the woods or the hospital.
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 		split gas money?
DHawk314 wrote:
No, but considering that it's a forest that's near Alex's Season 2 house, it probably was Rosswood Park. I made a map of everything a while ago which might help: http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/DHawk314/MHMap.png


OK now I'm confused...seeing that map again, and recalling the thing about splitting gas money, and recalling that (as far as I can recall now) that was talking about Tim's suggestion of the hospital as a swell location for a "Marble Hornets" scene in an abandoned building...

...and thinking that Rosswood Park and environs is close to the hospital...

...but also remembering that Jay had driven for a long time, basically nonstop after posting Entry 26 for ... I think it was days...

then whaaa?

Either it's relatively nearby, or you need days to get there.

See the post at my MH blog here.http://marblehormones.tumblr.com/post/29235355856/selunei-marblehormones-an-attempt-at-a-map

DHawk314, here's a better-worded statement based on consideration of your map, which got me thinking.

As a further comment on that post, yeah, if it were only far enough to split gas money, one would probably assume it was in state (assuming being near center of state) or else within reach of the border; if it were in a different state (being 32 hours' driving time from Jay's Entry 26 hotel, as suggested in the blog), you'd expect him to say in RL "It's in Kentucky" or in game, being intentionally vague, "it's a couple of states away."

Kudos on the map, and thank you for it as well!
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 		Re: split gas money?
GnomonRose wrote:
DHawk314 wrote:
No, but considering that it's a forest that's near Alex's Season 2 house, it probably was Rosswood Park. I made a map of everything a while ago which might help: http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/DHawk314/MHMap.png


OK now I'm confused...seeing that map again, and recalling the thing about splitting gas money, and recalling that (as far as I can recall now) that was talking about Tim's suggestion of the hospital as a swell location for a "Marble Hornets" scene in an abandoned building...

...and thinking that Rosswood Park and environs is close to the hospital...

...but also remembering that Jay had driven for a long time, basically nonstop after posting Entry 26 for ... I think it was days...

then whaaa?

Either it's relatively nearby, or you need days to get there.

See the post at my MH blog here.http://marblehormones.tumblr.com/post/29235355856/selunei-marblehormones-an-attempt-at-a-map

DHawk314, here's a better-worded statement based on consideration of your map, which got me thinking.

As a further comment on that post, yeah, if it were only far enough to split gas money, one would probably assume it was in state (assuming being near center of state) or else within reach of the border; if it were in a different state (being 32 hours' driving time from Jay's Entry 26 hotel, as suggested in the blog), you'd expect him to say in RL "It's in Kentucky" or in game, being intentionally vague, "it's a couple of states away."

Kudos on the map, and thank you for it as well!


That could explained by the fact that Jay was running at the point he received the tape for entry 26. It may have took him longer than it would have from the Season 1 area to get to it, if he had been running in the opposite direction.

Which honestly brings up the point, maybe the tape was sent to him to get him to travel to the epicenter instead of moving away from it.

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