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[Trailhead] Felicity's Legacy
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jessie1326
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thebruce wrote:
ditto. Confused

Also, new tweet @FV:
Quote:
K.I.S.S.


Yeah...I've long believed that we must be over-complicating things. The previous puzzles were fairly straightforward. Mostly indexes (indices?), no complicated cryptography required. So I suspect that "K.I.S.S." is probably "Keep it Simple, Stupid." Embarassed

Having said that. I still have NO IDEA where to go. Or even what, precisely, we are over-complicating (my hunch: everything!). Sigh. I keep going back to the grids themselves. I feel like we may have been the closest to the solution when we were layering the grids over each other or just looking for patterns in the grids themselves. Which I know, is totally helpful...

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Double post to mention that I just provoked this response from @FelicityVelius:
Quote:
@lynn1326 Don't beat yourself up...just think inside the box(es)


ETA: Well, after another several hours working on this, I have these additional thoughts, in the interest of brainstorming with smarter brains than mine.

1. "Be attentive lest you become enslaved the kings of the world rise against you" is 14 words. Our two twitter hints have numbers that go as high as 14, so maybe there is a relationship there? I couldn't find one.

2. "Kiss" is also a term used by WWII cryptologists to refer to a situation when the same message was sent twice- once in a code not yet broken, and once in a code that had been broken. A kiss made it easier to solve the unbroken code.

3. I can't tell if Felicity's message to me is an indication that I'm on the right track, or if she's saying "don't beat yourself up" meaning "Keep it Simple, Stupid" is not the right interpretation. I realize the irony in overthinking what I think is a direction to stop overthinking, but this is making me a little crazy.

4. Nothing I can find in the gridded-out blog entries leads anywhere. I've looked at first letters, last letters, first letters alphabetically, double letters, triple letters, squares of the same letter. I've tried combining the two grids going the same direction and going in opposite directions (i.e., the first blog post poured in left to right first, and the second post poured in top to bottom first). I've looked for words spelled out anywhere in the column. I've counted the letters in each word of the Dante quote and used those as coordinates. I've used the letters themselves as an index. I've tried calculating the difference between all kinds of pairs of letters.

5. I've also tried incorporating other documents-- it occurred to me that the weird number diagram from the "free the birds and capture the rabbit" letter could fit into this grid somehow. I suspect this is a dead end, but I did look for ways to use it.

5. Bang Head

Here are the primary questions I have that I can't seem to answer:

1. Should we be using the row/column numbers or not (i.e., is the message inherent in the squared-up post, or do we need to use some kind of index or coordinate system)? My guess is that we should use the numbers somehow.

2. Are the twitter hint number strings clues that are independent of the grid/Dante page? Or are we supposed to be using those numbers on the page somehow? My guess is that they are independent.

3. Do the numbers provide some kind of essential information that we are missing, other than how to solve what we already have. For example, the "gluttonous" tweet provided information that we needed but did not yet have figured out-- namely, the source for the index. Put differently, I wonder whether we need to solve the tweets before we can solve the grid. My guess is no, following from my guess on question 2.

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cherrytree98765
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So I'm gonna kinda be harsh, but I think the PM needs to help us find out if we've done Step 1 correct. There are so many ways you could fill the grid it's not even funny. You could fill it by going down in each column or down, up, down, up etc. or the reverse. You could also do the same with the left right. Also we don't know how to fill the letters which gives us even more variables.

I've tried multiple methods of solving the grid. I always feel like I'm getting close because I do sometimes am able to get some plaintext words like "So" and "the" but then gibberish.

I've tweeted Felicity to see if my path of thinking may be correct so I'm gonna wait on that before I say anything more.

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Right, for the PM:

We tried the easy way and got nothing. The problem is we have data, but no context. There is no indication of what to do with the blog posts once they are in the grid.
I know this must be intuitive for you, you know what the answer is. Our bumbling around not seeing the obvious must seem a bit silly. However, given the vast number of things we could do*, we need to know where to start.
K.I.S.S. and some seemingly random numbers aren't cutting it, I'm afraid.





*Just like the book cipher - I still can't figure out how we were supposed to guess that the book had changed from the Aenid to Dante's Inferno.
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jessie1326
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cherrytree98765 wrote:
So I'm gonna kinda be harsh, but I think the PM needs to help us find out if we've done Step 1 correct. There are so many ways you could fill the grid it's not even funny. You could fill it by going down in each column or down, up, down, up etc. or the reverse. You could also do the same with the left right. Also we don't know how to fill the letters which gives us even more variables.

I've tried multiple methods of solving the grid. I always feel like I'm getting close because I do sometimes am able to get some plaintext words like "So" and "the" but then gibberish.

I've tweeted Felicity to see if my path of thinking may be correct so I'm gonna wait on that before I say anything more.


Ask, and you shall receive:
@FelicityVelius wrote:


I'm not that clever...and I'm mathematically challenged. So I stick to writing letter for letter top to bottom until my message is clear


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Also, response to @soulgig's question: "Should we maybe "play" with it more?"
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But of course! More "context" is still in store.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:30 am
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enaxor
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If you use the 416 character blog post which starts with "Hello again Virgil..." as the text in the 16 x 26 grid it looks like a message could be forming with the two sets of numbers Felicity has given so far. Hopefully I populated the grid correctly.

14/4=T
10/6=R
6/8= U
10/10=T
12/14=H
10/4=L

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thebruce
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hm. That's about the best we've got so far, but it means we can't solve it until we have all the numbers.
Unless those number pairs are available to us right now, and she was just nudging them along for us...

But to get that, as a quick overview, we need to populate the grid with the blog text horizontally for:
Code:
 HelloagainVirgil
 hasbeenahandfull
 todayIvebeentryi
 ngtogetanupdatew
 rittenallmorning
 andheloudlymeows
 everytimeIsitdow
 ntowriteMaybehes
 stilltiredHeisju
 stglaringtotally
 pissedHisemptyfo
 odbinisnthelping
 lookslikeIllbego
 ingtolightthewee
 klyshoppingfusee
 arlythisweekAnyh
 owbacktobusiness
 TheBeatrixPotter
 Appshouldbeavail
 ableontheiTuness
 toresoonThefirst
 versionisjustata
 steformyfriendsa
 ndfellowrabbithe
 adsStaytunedforn
 ewupdatessoonish

Then take the letter by row/column (row14 col4=T, row10 col6=R, row6 col8=U, etc)


So, if this is correct, where do we find that number sequence 14,4,10,6,6,8,10,10,14,12,10,4,......?
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But doesn't "writing letter for letter top to bottom" imply that the grid should be filled the other direction? Or...does it mean across in rows top to bottom? Confused

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thebruce
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IF enaxor's on the right track, perhaps she meant it as in cross-reference row then column.
But ya, getting mixed signals, unless 'truth l...' is just coincidence

eta: row/column also seems to stick to the 'book cipher' style we've been following, but applied to the blog post(s) letters
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"The message is in my first two blog posts. See how they look when you use the table letter for letter."
"...stick to writing letter for letter top to bottom until my message is clear."

I notice that it's not "letter by letter" but "letter for letter" in both cases, which reads like a hint for substitution to me -- but that's just my grammar talking. If this is a simple table look-up, the clues are misleading.

The latest thing I've tried is writing both blog posts into a single table, putting 2 letters into each cell, one from each post, letter by letter. It started out with WHEELLCLOOMA and degenerated from there. (And yes, I did try the flow in both directions, but no, there was nothing formed by the verticals either.)

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Felicity has yet to answer my twitter query, so guessing that "truth l" is just a coincidence and big fail. Back to lurk mode.

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Well I'm happy the PM took my request to heart. Anyways the positive response to my tweet is good. Though now I'm not sure if she knew what I was actually referring to so I've sent a second one to make sure the context was taken right.

Anyways back to the grid.

Edit: Welp scratch one idea:

Quote:
I like to stick to a predictable pattern rather than substitute or play with the story and let the reader find truth in the chaos


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"truth" has to be a tip. I've been looking at what enaxor's done, seeing if there's ANY way to get the number sequence, or a pattern, without requiring F to tweet them to us.

If that's the proper solution, then we need to know what comes after those 12 'lucky' numbers so far...
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Ok, so I think I have the progression:

14,4,10,6,6,8
a,b,a,b,a,b

a follows the pattern: 14, 10, 6, 10 (repeat).
b follows the pattern: 4, 6, 8, 10, 12 (repeat).

This gives garbage when followed, however:

TRUTHLLNTTHRGTMLLNJT

But it does make a 9x9 pattern in the grid.

It's late here, I'm going to hit the hay and take a look again tomorrow.
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