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TallulahBelle
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Dieas wrote:


My bad, I thought you were saying the books being included in the ARG somehow supported the theory of aliens help us evolve.

Although I can't help myself from nitpicking a bit more - The Time Machine is a novel about what we evolve into in the future (less of a theory of how evolution happens) so I personally don't think it links in that way.

I just reckon the theory of aliens aiding our evolution doesn't come into this ARG at all - the only hint of aliens is the Wow! signal (correct me if I'm wrong).



I think you are still interpreting me wrong, but you're probably right nevertheless. Regular interstellar politics seems more likely than aliens, or they would surely have dropped the idea with us a long time ago.

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zzaryn
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As long as we're playing around with the idea of evolution, maybe LISA did a bit of evolving of her own? Computer systems can be "rolled back" or reset to last known working configuration. Wondering if this is what happened to LISA.

Wonder why we were able to get so much out of her yesterday and yet nothing today...

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Aesculapius
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Well, for wild speculation of my own, letsee, in the Time Machine what I remember from the movie, there was a class of human beings that was essentially cattle and the other was a breed of horrible yet intelligent mutants.

Maybe this is Horizon's opportunity to shoot a monkey into space.

Edit: I said book when I meant the old movie. Surprised

I've never read the book and for all I know it has nothing to do with that. Brainfart.

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Dieas
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TallulahBelle wrote:

I think you are still interpreting me wrong, but you're probably right nevertheless. Regular interstellar politics seems more likely than aliens, or they would surely have dropped the idea with us a long time ago.


I admitted to misinterpreting what you first said (when I thought you meant the books supported the theory of aliens helping out with evolution).

I moved onto a different point after that - what I meant was that I don't think 3 completely different theories of evolution are being presented.

The Time Machine doesn't present a different theory of evolution to Darwin's, and the alien theory hasn't been hinted at - you said something about three completely different theories of evolution.

Anyway, I'll stop going on about it now - got fed up of lurking this and maybe got a bit too eager when I saw the only bit of discussion I could join in on Razz

Distraction wrote:

Or The Time Machine book will be used as part of a code...just as Origin of Species was used to give us the " we will be there in due time" phrase.


True, but the books chosen might have some significance

Aesculapius wrote:
Well, for wild speculation of my own, letsee, in the Time Machine what I remember from the movie, there was a class of human beings that was essentially cattle and the other was a breed of horrible yet intelligent mutants.

Maybe this is Horizon's opportunity to shoot a monkey into space.

Edit: I said book when I meant the old movie. Surprised

I've never read the book and for all I know it has nothing to do with that. Brainfart.


It's based on the book Smile

The class difference thing is one of the themes. I guess I worded it wrong saying the book was specifically about that

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Dieas wrote:
TallulahBelle wrote:

I think you are still interpreting me wrong, but you're probably right nevertheless. Regular interstellar politics seems more likely than aliens, or they would surely have dropped the idea with us a long time ago.


I admitted to misinterpreting what you first said (when I thought you meant the books supported the theory of aliens helping out with evolution).

I moved onto a different point after that - what I meant was that I don't think 3 completely different theories of evolution are being presented.

The Time Machine doesn't present a different theory of evolution to Darwin's, and the alien theory hasn't been hinted at - you said something about three completely different theories of evolution.

Anyway, I'll stop going on about it now - got fed up of lurking this and maybe got a bit too eager when I saw the only bit of discussion I could join in on Razz



I don't mind the subject, I think it might help us look in the right places and eventually move forward. As long as we're not disturbing the general order of things Smile

I don't necessarily think the theories/stories themselves has an impact on this story, but there's no doubt that evolution (in general, not our evolution up until now specifically) is of some importance - Akamu has referred to two books and both are on the issue of evolution, and he confirmed himself that this to some extent is ment to reflect how all humankind are decendents of Earth.
That doesn't prove or even mean this has anything to do with ancient astronauts. We're just trying to connect the dots here, and the wow-signal coordinates is one such dot which is previously annoyingly unconnected.

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zzaryn
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Sometimes I wonder if the second set of coordinates is in relation to Atlas / 77 Cyng rather than Earth.

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The Entity LISA communicating yesterday with njberry wrote:
**Welcome to Horizon Industries.**

One-hundred nine-thousand two-hundred thirty-four.

Always watch. Always listen. Horizon Industries.

and

**Welcome to Horizon Industries.**

We did not speak but you heard me.

Always watch. Always listen. Horizon Industries.


So being a calculating gal Laughing I'm mentioning that 109, 234 days is just over 299 years. Subtracting that from 2276, the other number LISA repeated yesterday, provides the year 1977. That's within the time frame of the Wow! Signal Enaxor (Page 20) sussed out earlier on this thread from the blueprint .
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Dieas
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Probably reading too far into the content of the book (it's already been mentioned that it'll probably be for another secret message) but The Time Machine has a chapter near the end about the time traveller witnessing the death of the earth as he travels far into the future.

I doubt that a message is being sent here, but it's kind of a disturbing thought when you think about the fact that we are cut off from the rest of the union and are supposedly in danger.

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Akiva
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amandel wrote:
(B)eing a calculating gal Laughing I'm mentioning that 109, 234 days is just over 299 years. Subtracting that from 2276, the other number LISA repeated yesterday, provides the year 1977. That's within the time frame of the Wow! Signal Enaxor (Page 20) sussed out earlier on this thread from the blueprint .


So that would imply that the unknown stranger that was logged in to LISA was likely the originator of that signal...

We've asked if there was alien life among the stars, but have we asked if there is/was alien AI among the stars? LISA might know/have known....

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Man, I'm on a speculating frenzy right now. Please don't feel that I'm trying to railroad anything. For me, trying to envision the overall story is a majority of the fun I have with ARGs. And, sometimes, it leads to productive actions.

Even More Wild Speculation

About every 300 years, a signal is sent to Earth. It could possibly be sent across the universe to many places, yet, it takes that long for the signal to again be focused on Earth. In earlier times we would have had no idea that it even existed but as we've evolved we've created technology.

In 1977, we finally were able to notice the signal although we had no way of understanding it.

The same signal was just sent and this time it was picked up by an Artificial Intelligence, which had more capacity to process it.

Ancient. Many memories. Could it be a history of an alien race?

The Time Machine. The Origin of Species. Are these arbitrary choices? The communication from Oceanus has traveled to us through time, if just from our point of view. Could the Wow signal be doing so? If not alien could it be our future selves?

Lol.

End Wild Speculation

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Dieas wrote:
The Time Machine has a chapter near the end about the time traveller witnessing the death of the earth as he travels far into the future.

Yes. That's interesting. For whatever reason I don't think that these books were just chosen at random and then mailed to us.

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Aesculapius
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Also when she said "Me Two" I think she was referring to her age. Two years old. I could be mistaken.


I wonder what the other number I got was 505,103,777 if that was a reference to days or if she meant years.

If it's years, it was seeing back to the Cambrian period.

The following if it's days and it's just about a million years.
Neogene period

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@Aesculapius - if LISA was referencing a time with those numbers, then the Cambrian period sounds like the more exciting "we're writing sci-fi a story" choice, especially given the Wow signal, computers being infected with ancient memories, the Origin of Species, and the Time Machine.

What I find most compelling about that is the Cambrian Explosion-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion

Sounds like it could fit very nicely.

Edit -

The Cambrian Explosion Part 1-



YouTube: Link


The Cambrian Explosion Part 2-



YouTube: Link


The same thing but interesting none the less-



YouTube: Link


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NekoHunter
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Re: Maybe this is for Halo 4 or Star Trek Into Darkness

GuestUser17 wrote:

Another possibility is Star Trek which has events occurring in the 23rd century and also has a United Nations at that time. Slipspace is seldom used in Star Trek but it is still plausible. Star Trek Into Darkness is due to be released next year.
Does anyone have any other ideas?
ETA that the Aegis are also in Star Trek and they maintained scanning facilities to allow their agents to scan back and forth thousands of years in time.


While the "new" Star Trek is a wholly different universe from the one that I'm more familiar with, I don't think I've ever heard the term "slipspace" used. Slipstream drive is only rarely touched upon as alien technology, not something in wide use by the protagonists. Further, by the 23rd century the United Federation of Planets is much larger organization than the 13 planets of the Union. While the years are fairly close, 2276 would be about 20 years after the time in which the 2009 movie was set, so it seems quite unlikely to line up with such a direct sequel. I had to do a little digging on the topic of an Aegis in the Star Trek universe as well; it's only mentioned in comics and novels, so it's not really canon.

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...and our main contact, Akamu Hale, has stated that we haven't found any signs of any intelligent life. In the new Star Trek, 20 years before this, a Vulcan is in Star Fleet.

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Aesculapius wrote:
amadan wrote:
I just made an account, and finally finished reading everything. It might be a little bit late, but Jovian refers to Jupiter btw. I don't know if it's relevant or not... -_-;;

Can I get the email for LISA? I think it would be interesting to play games with her and see what I can do.
Be sure to visit http://www.koatoamarine.com/ and http://www.horizonindustries.org/ They both have contact info. Also the Oceanus Wiki (which I need to work on more) http://oceanus.wikibruce.com/


Thanks! I'm not sure what I think about all this yet...

Oh, and apparently President Sparrow is on Earth. I can't remember who said this, but I believe I'm right. Can we get a recap? I think it's important so nobody gets lost and so people like me can hop in.

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